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So what do you think of this theory of a civilization somewhere in this universe of trillions of years old, who built a machine in the material and immaterial so it would exist in this 3rd layer, beyond space and time which contains all of existence, past present and future and is at any time and any place readily accessible by anyone striving to make contact with it and by which methods can be learned to reach enlightenment?
Originally posted by Hombre
So what do you think of this theory of a civilization somewhere in this universe of trillions of years old, who built a machine in the material and immaterial so it would exist in this 3rd layer, beyond space and time which contains all of existence, past present and future and is at any time and any place readily accessible by anyone striving to make contact with it and by which methods can be learned to reach enlightenment?
reading this i need to ask: what is this enlightenment that you or everybody is talking about ?
i understand that you are trying to help others to reach the enlightment, or at least to Open their Minds to the endless possibilities which humanity is going to have sooner or later.
That isnt hard work, it needs alot of information. Too many puzzles are there which all need to be found.
Today i need to convince me again, that the Reality isnt a movie.
I agree, you have had the Complete Enlightment.
Originally posted by Dragonfly79
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by Dragonfly79
I ask questions to verify what it is you claim? What are you claiming as 'enlightenment' in your thread title?
Why do you assume I am playing games? I have asked genuine and valid questions. I don't just assume I know what you are talking about or where you are coming from yet it seems you are quite defensive when I show an interest and ask you questions.
Ok, whatever you say is true for you. I have posted my definition already.
So what do you think of this theory of a civilization somewhere in this universe of trillions of years old, who built a machine in the material and immaterial so it would exist in this 3rd layer, beyond space and time which contains all of existence, past present and future and is at any time and any place readily accessible by anyone striving to make contact with it and by which methods can be learned to reach enlightenment?
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
I do not know what makes you believe you are completely enlightened, maybe I am missing something.
What do you believe this 'civilization' that you speak of, can give to anyone if they make contact with them?
What do you consider as the ultimate prize?
edit on 7-6-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Dragonfly79
What do you believe this 'civilization' that you speak of, can give to anyone if they make contact with them?
What do you consider as the ultimate prize?
edit on 7-6-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)
You assume there is a contest with a prize and so it becomes real as there are many who also believe this, I do not however and never will consider it again. We all have our prizes yet some deny this because they enjoy the race more. So I wish you the best, but I can't join you just be a spectator at best watching those competitions from the side.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
What do you consider as the ultimate prize?
I do not assume there is a prize or that this is a contest -
but you seem to think that these beings somewhere (a civilization) can give something to you or others - what is it?
What are you looking for?
What is it that you think people should have?
If you say 'enlightenment' is what these beings can give then I just want to know what benefit this 'enlightenment' (that can be got) will give you or others. Quite frankly - what is the point of it?
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
This is a discussion board and I have shown an interest in your OP and I ask questions - it seems you do not want to discuss your claim of 'complete enlightenment'.
1.The action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas.
2.A conversation or debate about a certain topic.
Synonyms
debate - argument - disputation - dispute - controversy
Originally posted by Dragonfly79
What is it that you think people should have?
More awareness of themselves and their surroundings.
Originally posted by Dragonfly79
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
This is a discussion board and I have shown an interest in your OP and I ask questions - it seems you do not want to discuss your claim of 'complete enlightenment'.
I had to think a little longer for a response to this, I post this not only to you but for every other reader. It seems to you I do not want to discuss but really you want me to agree with your views while I have to offer to agree we disagree about (how to) achieve everlasting happiness. My enlightenment is something infinite so that stands forever to me ofcourse not you I assume.
So about discussing, I look to Wikipedia as to what is a common definition of a discussion board:
en.wikipedia.org... maybe you should too.
And I use Google to look up the definition of discussing:
1.The action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas.
2.A conversation or debate about a certain topic.
Synonyms
debate - argument - disputation - dispute - controversy
If anything is still unclear let me know. I do have to tell you in all honesty/openness I regard you as a troll, I know it's common practice dealing with trolls not to feed them however I take a different approach and put stuff in the food so hopefully you will change back to becoming human again. There are a lot of different kinds of trolls out there needless to say, to each their own stuff so it might take a while before I figure out which kind of troll you are and what stuff you need to be fed in order for you to change back to human again.edit on 7/6/2013 by Dragonfly79 because: (no reason given)
In this Reality, I AM GOD, and you are my other God self.
Originally posted by TheomExperience
If you were to have a relationship with the opposite polarity do you believe this would compromise what you are trying to achieve? More specifically would this form of attachment and and the give and take nature of relationships be a difficult challenge for you with your current state of awareness?
Originally posted by Dragonfly79
Being with a woman, a partner forever is actually my end-goal. But I currently believe this is something for me after my physical bodies dissolves, the afterlife and she might not be of this planet although it is my preference and I would try it several times. But it's just too much work, takes too long for her to understand this definition, if it were just because of having to study IT concepts. While a woman from another civilization I know it would be a lot faster/easier/fun.
I did read a lot about the subject and it is a good thing to become unattached but, beside the question it happened or not, what are you going to do for yourself after you have fully detached yourself from everything you know or maybe even everything in all of existence, even outside of what you know?
It is not a give and take matter to me, but more about expressions and reactions. At least, there is nothing going from me to her or from her to me.edit on 8/6/2013 by Dragonfly79 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by Dragonfly79
What is it that you think people should have?
More awareness of themselves and their surroundings.
Is this what you consider 'enlightenment'?
So because I ask questions using the Socratic Method you say I am a troll.
I use questioning to break down claims made. It roots out disingenuous claims.
I suppose calling me a troll is what the last sentence means above. I also went online for a definition of 'discussion' and I found it to say 'examination and investigation'.
Originally posted by Hombre
Dragonfly : Remember this words:
In this Reality, I AM GOD, and you are my other God self.
This reality is mine.
And you (not only you dragon but everyone other too) are the illusion which i need to deal with.
(Allthough me as god doesnt need to have any material possesions, my bodily presence need the things arround me, like home, a bit of money,Friends,Wife, and some happiness etc.)
I see where your troubles are: your rational mind (bodily mind/brain) hitted in and you are acting upon his beliefs.
A very limiting beliefs.
You stated earlier, that you are afraid that your body can be damaged. (this is not the same wording but the meaning which was sent out with your words )
well this belief is wrong, the right belief is that you are perfectly safe.
Second, why are you defending your enlightment ?
You said in your 1st post, that you want to help the other 2 beeings with their enlightment process. so why dont you ask them where they are struggling (where they have troubles or need help), so we can respond if we can ?
3rd. you made agreement with this 2 beeings. why dont you accept my agreeement ?
its the very basic foundation of this 3dimensional world. (maybe even THE 1st concept of this world)
and for your information. im on a part where my thoughts became (or are becoming) reality. i dont know if the Cause of it is my thinking, or if i just somehow know whats will happen bevore it actually does (which is really confusing atm, as the thoughts come from my mind).
edit on 8/6/2013 by Hombre because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Dragonfly79
Socrates didn't want to break anything imho, but genuinely understand what someone was saying and seek truth. I just don't see much of that in your posts but keep on practicing and I'm sure you'll get it.
Originally posted by Dragonfly79
When I was taught about Socrates I dismissed his methods because he got himself poisoned. He annoyed people so he was in error.
Originally posted by ItisnowagainI have been asking genuine and valid questions to get an understanding of what you are claiming. It is the method Socrates used.edit on 8-6-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)
It seems that you are still seeking the beloved. Maybe you believe the feeling of wholeness will be complete when you find your other half. The feeling of wholeness and completeness is enlightenment - but it needs nothing more to complete it. The wanting of more or the not wanting of this, is the suffering - it is the division. This is whole and complete now but there is an idea that there is more, that there is something better waiting for one and when one get it one will feel better or the world will be better.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by Dragonfly79
When I was taught about Socrates I dismissed his methods because he got himself poisoned. He annoyed people so he was in error.
Jesus annoyed people - he got himself crucified - do you think Jesus was in error?
And Socrates did indeed want to break something - ignorance. One must first discover ones own ignorance - when it breaks hidden beneath ignorance is truth.