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Originally posted by irishpackerfan68
(All were freemasons that left and later testified to Freemasonry being a form of Satanism)
Pope Leo the 8th
William Schnoebelen author of Masonry Beyond The Light
John Quincy Adams
ALBERT PIKE
George Washington
But why satan? Like why worship satan?
And just like the freemasons they are probably worshipping the devil because no one could possibly have so little intelligence
Originally posted by Ben81
Im curious to hear your though about this following JFK segment...
Was JFK a mason ?
because i though all US presidents were masons
or a few masons dont agree with some modern rules
most people today that are part of the freemason think of themself to be above others
they get high positions in compagnies that normal people could never get
especialy governement and entertainment industry well paid positions
...it will be a mistake for me to say all masons are evil and woreship lucifer...
Originally posted by Ben81
you say JFK was from the knight of columbus ?
is this a different mason branch ?
like Bush and his skull and bones
there is so many different branch and lodge
how can you know for sure that everyone of them doesn practice satanism ?
its impossible for you to know that
btw i have edited my first post to add a few things
i think you saw it before that
Originally posted by Ben81
you say JFK was from the knight of columbus ?
is this a different mason branch ?
how can you know for sure that everyone of them doesn practice satanism ?
Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by AugustusMasonicus
This confuses me and ever since my thread with you all, and Mr. Norton, his reply has troubled me, because I could not understand why it would be so wrong for me to study Masonry on my own, since I have not had the privilege to learn from 'Initiated' minds?
Bro. Harry Carr then writes: Cowan is an essentially Scottish trade term, and it belongs to the time when lodges, as trade-controlling bodies, put restrictions against the employment of cowans, in order to protect the fully-trained men of the Craft from competition by unskilled labour. The earliest official ban against cowans appeared in the Schaw Statutes in 1598. (1) To better understand the position of the cowan it is necessary to look at the organization of the old operative guilds. In the days of James I of Scotland (born 1394, reigned 1424-37), a statute was passed empowering craftsmen in their different branches to elect a wise man of the Craft to be the leader of that craft so that the King be not defrauded in the future, as had been in the past; because of untrue men in the Craft.
Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
If Freemasonic knowledge, ritual, wisdom, and arts have been available for such a long time, why does the word "cowan" exist in a derogatory sense?
You claim that we are free to know anything we'd like about Freemasonry, yet why is it that when I actually research it outside of Freemasonry, like you claim I am able to, I am called a 'cowan' and that the tiler will never admit me to the sanctum?
Is it that the information of Freemasonry is available, but we aren't allowed to know about it, without being a Mason?
This confuses me and ever since my thread with you all, and Mr. Norton, his reply has troubled me, because I could not understand why it would be so wrong for me to study Masonry on my own, since I have not had the privilege to learn from 'Initiated' minds?
Originally posted by guanyu
If you're not profiting from being a Mason you're just doing it wrong.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by guanyu
If you're not profiting from being a Mason you're just doing it wrong.
I am not sure what lodge you happen to be a member of but my jursidiction is not set up to allow networking for any reason during lodge.
If you happen to meet people after lodge and strike up a conversation as to their chose profession and you find that your Brother may own a car repair business and you need your car repaired who are you going to contact? Him or some random person you do not know?
Originally posted by guanyu
I'm not a member. I find the whole concept distasteful.
I've researched it and know members, one who allowed me to peruse his masonic dictionary no less. It's got an absolutely fascinating mythology to be sure. So be a church. A secret society is wrong.
If I want a good mechanic, I'll check reviews online.
I'm not trying to be offensive, just honest.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by guanyu
I'm not a member. I find the whole concept distasteful.
You find self-betterment and charity distasteful? How so?
I've researched it and know members, one who allowed me to peruse his masonic dictionary no less. It's got an absolutely fascinating mythology to be sure. So be a church. A secret society is wrong.
We are neither a 'church' nor a 'secret society', nor should we be. We are a charitable fraternal orginization.
If I want a good mechanic, I'll check reviews online.
Because the internet never lies, right? No one fluffs their reviews or has sock puppets?
most people today that are part of the freemason think of themself to be above others
they get high positions in compagnies that normal people could never get
every one is so secretive and know how to lie and keep some big secrets from others masons
so i think the masons are still splited in 2 like the north and the south 200 yrs ago
but it has been infiltrated with bad people with evil intentions on all degres level of masonry
is this a different mason branch ?
like Bush and his skull and bones
how can you know for sure that everyone of them doesn practice satanism ?
its impossible for you to know that
I don't need to know more than police officers, judges, prosecutors, politicians, businessmen etc. should not be allowed to meet behind closed doors so they can get a good story prepared for everybody else.
If you're not profiting from being a Mason you're just doing it wrong.
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by guanyu
It's all about ME!
I don't need to know more than police officers, judges, prosecutors, politicians, businessmen etc. should not be allowed to meet behind closed doors so they can get a good story prepared for everybody else.
So you're willing to stomp on civil rights to appease some unfounded paranoia? Huh.
If you're not profiting from being a Mason you're just doing it wrong.
Sure, I've profited, but what I've gained can't be measured. I feel that I am a good person and I enjoy my time with my Brethren. I have met good men, not by scheming to network, but out of simple travel and congregation. What is profit?
reply to post by guanyu
Secret society is a term used to try and demonize us. We're a private fraternal organization.
Man is a social creature and is prone to congregate together. Freemasonry is one avenue for that.
reply to post by guanyu
If you're afraid of the possibility of corruption then we should never allow men to congregate or converse. We should take up the reigns of anarchic isolationism. To Hell with the 1st Amendment and the right to assembly. Such things are unfounded.
Originally posted by guanyu
It's not the beliefs, or the traditions, or the lofty ideals, it's the potential for abuse. No organizational structure on Earth shows the potential for abuse more than secret societies.
Please, let's not play semantics. We're all adults here.
Irrelevant.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Semantics? We do not teach religion
and we are far from secret. There are five secret passwords and handshakes and even those are found online. There has not been a good secret in over three hundred years.
Originally posted by guanyu
However, I will express my opinion and as a staunch defender of the 1st Amendment, I ask you to respect that.