Talk of USA collapse going mainstream!

reply to post by Annunak1


Yeah it is bad , Here in the Netherlands the SNS reaal bank went kaput last week , now my counry has to pay around 5 biljon to bail them out.
This is a company that broke the law with high risk investments , but they can keep their bonusses and the new CEO gets 2 times the money our Prime minister gets.

Meanwhile we get taxes raises ,food prices and healthcare are reaching the freakin ozon layer.

Our own governments are hijacked by people who dont give a f#%#%k about anything on this world.

These banks are Poker players who go all in with every hand , when they are broke they turn to the person standing behind them for a blank cheque , named our government.

These banks know they are too big too be dropped , so they will never stop high risk investments.

TheGreazel

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by Annunak1
GET YA MONEY OF THE BANK!!! I ALREADY DID!!!!
but for real we all knew a major collapse was coming. I live in europe and just look at the status here. The SHTF in Greece, Spain, Italy. In the Netherlands another bank (SNS) got a bailout. Only 3 banks are left but they will fall 2 sooner or later. The whole world is in the crapper financial. I just hope people are not gonna flip out when all comes crashing down. But looking at how people act these days it looks like riots and killing is gonna be the main thing when SHTF on a global scale.

We pulled our money out of the bank years ago. I don't think many people believe that this is coming. We've been ramping up our food supplies the past three months.

I'm going with when and "When" it seems is the only logical outcome, the walls start caving in. I highly doubt having this money under your mattresses will do anything. Even through History class growing up. I saw wheelbarrels of money as hyper inflation took over during the "Great Depression". Didn't matter how rich you were or how much you stashed or pulled out before the collapse. Item's with intrinsic value will go farther. Gold, Silver, Precious Metals and Skills.

When you know the storm is coming, and you have time to get ready, stock up on water and food. Buy several extra cases of ammo, clean your guns, HUNKER DOWN and don't go to the banks when the SHTF I would presume multiple civilians at that time would be packing heat wanting there cash. Sadly they will be some of the first to go, my own personal thought.

Be prepared but not paranoid, protect your own, and keep your head level.

The so-called 'government' is not going to fail. There is nothing new under the sun when it comes to the way the US government functions. This has been going on since time immemorial - The only difference being the average persons access to more information (read dis-information, because its all propaganda) via the internet.

There is no government - there is no free press - there is no such animal as the US Constitution and/or the Bill of Rights so-called. These are illusionary tactics set into being by forces beyond the intellectual and spiritual grasp of the everyday "man/woman in the street."

And another thing - how is it possible that the government (whatever the F that really is) could fail - they pay me 2 big fat checks every month year in and year out - they support my very comfortable lifestyle and uphold my decent standard of living. Without the government oh whatever would I do?

So I ask you again - how could they possibly fail? Don't you all realize that the government is

too big to fail.

That the PTB will bail us out!!!

reply to post by Mike.Ockizard


Where I live and I've read somewhere that in the US in some states if you hold land property (use or live in it) for a given time you acquire rights over it.

In any case I did not state that you would stop making your tax payments, just to consider that they will get higher...

I have quite a reply but, I am afraid to post it cause it just puts too many things together from over the years. I love life and if we go broke, just remeber that tough times is what brings people together, after the fighting has ceased.

Great post OP S&F

Originally posted by EequalsMC3
The so-called 'government' is not going to fail. There is nothing new under the sun when it comes to the way the US government functions. This has been going on since time immemorial - The only difference being the average persons access to more information (read dis-information, because its all propaganda) via the internet.

There is no government - there is no free press - there is no such animal as the US Constitution and/or the Bill of Rights so-called. These are illusionary tactics set into being by forces beyond the intellectual and spiritual grasp of the everyday "man/woman in the street."

And another thing - how is it possible that the government (whatever the F that really is) could fail - they pay me 2 big fat checks every month year in and year out - they support my very comfortable lifestyle and uphold my decent standard of living. Without the government oh whatever would I do?

So I ask you again - how could they possibly fail? Don't you all realize that the government is

too big to fail.

That the PTB will bail us out!!!

All empires fall. TPTB want one world government so they can control even more currency. This is what they want. First step to one world currency is to take down the dollar.

He tells the truth and stomps on the fantasy world that has been spun for inhabitants of the land. He mentions the "fairy tale economy". That is exactly what money is, make-believe fairy tale money. Fiat. Fantasy Income Asset Toy-stuff (I made it up). When everybody make-believes at the same rate, we have this imaginary thing called wealth, market and economy. His paper wealth in precious metals of other countries, any country can create a no-pay law to him, so that's potentially vaporous too.

So can't we just make-believe we aren't in debt anymore? I know! We can pick some fancy words for the debt money. It's not debt, it's Patriot tax, where if you don't pay you get patriotized by one of their new drones. Freedom tax, because freedom isn't free.

Imagine this in your south one day: well, we used to owe the gub-ment a bunch of taxes until our state broke off of the union. Then the union bought us back into the fold, and now the debt is back into the land. We got these shiny new coins with pictures of automatic weapons to make us feel more free. Yeah I guess we can make-believe this is still America again.

So USA the money organism on the planet and USA the land one is born in and where one can exhibit amazing freedoms, they could be two different things. Which means rebranding this idea of what "USD" is.

Oh but for the love of tradition globally, I wanted to reach through the computer screen and slap that man for saying a political figure is a criminal. The idea being that political power is not just for criminals.

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Don't forget about the Global Tax as well that's coming to a theater near you! ~$heopleNation

Originally posted by Mike.Ockizard

Originally posted by fictitious
While I agree that collapse is imminent, I also am confused as to when it might occur. Living in Texas adds to my confusion, because over the years of the recession, my husband and I have done very well. We are thriving actually.

It makes me nervous because while other people cannot feed their families in other states, we are selling our perfectly good house making a good amount of equity and about to build a new one on a few acres. It scares me because while I see everything as great, maybe we shouldn't invest in a new place since it's a huge financial risk when I look outside our little bubble.

I just feel like the facts don't lie about our country's status, but while I'm experiencing the opposite in this economy, it's hard to run and hide. If it is going to collapse anyway, why not enjoy life until then and be a little prepared at the same time?

I share your bewilderment. Is it all just paranoia? I used to think so but when you start to hear ex government officials and economists saying that the economy is nearing collapse you have to take heed. My business is thriving as well but because I am a contractor, more and more I get work because companies have trimmed too many jobs and it's cheaper/easier to use contractors.

Consider the looming budget battle and the fiscal cliff. Sounds like the GOP is willing to let it happen. That will result in LOTS of lost jobs.

Someargue that China wont let it happen as they have massive investment in the US. But think about it, if the Chinese somehow help us, what will they ask for in return. I just dont know. But like the guy in the video says, when they throw around ideas like alien invasion and trillion dollar coins they are desperate and have no idea what to do. See the documentaries I posted a link to on the next page. They are both serious documentary's by reputable folks. They do a much better job of explaining what has been happening.

I guess, naturally, my next question would be, why types of jobs would be eliminated once this collapse happens? Even in the great depression, many jobs were still available...but what kind? Wouldn't our economy now take that same path?

reply to post by Mike.Ockizard


"It's not that anarchists don't believe in law...we don't believed in forced law".

What is law without teeth?? A fairy tale. An impractical pipe dream of people with an impractical social system.

Steven Pinker pretty much dismantled the theories of anarchists in his "The Better Angels of our Nature:How violence has declined". Anarchist societies have 5 times the homicide rate that government based societies have.

Is that worth the tradeoff? Neither Anarchism nor Statism, or, neither the extreme right nor the extreme left of any ideology or approach to life will secure the balance needed. We are both a combination of nature and nurture. We have good in us, but left to ourselves without a threat of deterrence (i.e law) we most certainly will take advantage. Hobbes Leviathan is more pragmatic than Rousseau's noble savage.

I cannot believe that Americans are finally awakening and seeing what is going on. What will they do about it? Take out less loans? Quit racking up their credit cards?

As long as oil is traded in dollar there will be no collapse. A downsizing, maybe, but a collapse, no. Even with the huge income of the petrodollar America splurged, if america lives within its means, it will still be very very well off. At any rate, any downsizing will mostly be felt at the top, just like it matters little wheter you make minimum wage in America, canada Germany or Italy.

Originally posted by EequalsMC3
The so-called 'government' is not going to fail. There is nothing new under the sun when it comes to the way the US government functions. This has been going on since time immemorial - The only difference being the average persons access to more information (read dis-information, because its all propaganda) via the internet.

There is no government - there is no free press - there is no such animal as the US Constitution and/or the Bill of Rights so-called. These are illusionary tactics set into being by forces beyond the intellectual and spiritual grasp of the everyday "man/woman in the street."

And another thing - how is it possible that the government (whatever the F that really is) could fail - they pay me 2 big fat checks every month year in and year out - they support my very comfortable lifestyle and uphold my decent standard of living. Without the government oh whatever would I do?

So I ask you again - how could they possibly fail? Don't you all realize that the government is

too big to fail.

That the PTB will bail us out!!!

So your a government employee who makes a decent living and does what he's told and doesn't ask questions. Makes satements like " To big to fail " . Wow~ If empires don't fall what happened to all the Ancients? A flawed response to a flawed system.

Comfortable lifestyle??? Seriously? I will laugh when they take the HDTV and Internet, whatever will the sheeple do.

Wait until they kabosh your section of employment like so many other government jobs and you join the rest of us.

Liberty is when the government fears it's people.

Tyrany is when the people fear it's government.

Originally posted by St Udio

Originally posted by Hijinx

The Canadian dollar has actually been worth more than an American dollar many times in the last 5 years

If it was based off an American dollar why would that be the case? Currently 1 canadian dollar is the same as 1 us dollar in value. Our dollar is Also a "fiat" dollar, gaining most of it's value from our economy, as well as the people's faith in that dollar.

The more our dollar is traded, the more it's worth.

i say the real underlying reason for the C$ being valued at $1.05 USD is because of the resources youse have on and under the ground


Forex trading is based on something other than the pretty graphics on the paper fiat bills

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Coal, Natural gas, crude oil, soft wood lumber, hardwood lumber, diamonds, platinum, gold, uranium, iron, copper, lead, farmland, livestock, shipping, fisheries. Canada has a pretty vast availability of resources. In Recent years, the US is the number 1 customer of both Canadian crude, as well as processed products. Our lumber is purchased world wide. Our gold mines are still prosperous, we have tons of fresh water, and supply hydro-electric power to many border states in the US. Canada is a pretty wealthy country, it's just not necessarily as big and booming as some other nations.

You can argue this is a bad thing, but if Canada were to step up it's operations and exhaust those resources, they'd be hooped. Canada does pretty well for itself. I'd like to see them start another industrial boom. There was a time both coast lines pumped out ships like no bodies business. Airplanes, cars, Canada used to be a fairly big player, but they've all but stopped production on these things. Harper is a twat, so I'm not holding my breath he will be the man to push Canada Back into that market but I'd vote for the man who would.

Originally posted by Mike.Ockizard
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Pretty sure Canada sold all their gold for dollars. So you are right in questioning why their currency has more supposed value. It could be they are leveraging resources since there is no more (or relatively little) gold left in their vaults. The US did the same thing under Clinton.

All I could find about the reserve was this number. 3.4 tonnes of gold. I mean that's pretty small, but when you look into who we sold our reserves to it gets a little interesting. One of them is obvious, the US, how ever some " Asian" nations have been happy customers in buying up the canadian reserve gold.


How ever, as far as gold mining goes. 5 of the 10 largest gold companies in the world are Canadian. As well 75% of the world's mining companies are headquartered in Canada. Makes you wonder about Canada's economic future doesn't it?

I'm going to read this article some more because even I was unaware this much of the worlds raw minerals came from Canada. Especially gold. I knew we were hot on the market, but it's almost a little crazy gave me a slight shiver as far as potential future conflicts goes. 2nd largest country by land mast. Pretty much every resource imaginable can be found here.

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I don't think she was trying to present him as a "loon" either. She simply disagrees.

From her vantage point, the general trend in the world today, especially between world actors, is towards international law and international accountability. The idea that America would just "take" Canada's natural resources IS a stretch of the imagination. Again, this is due to the moralization gap in perspectives. She believes the rule of law can be trusted and depended upon even if the world were to enter the situation imagined by Berwick. Berwick conversely suspects that the international consensus built today and which has thrived since the 1950's will collapse when the western economies collapse.

It's hard to really say. For an anarchist - who by definition is trusting of human nature - to be so cynical about the gains made in the last few decades in rights, peace between state actors (number of deadly quarrels have gone down in the last 60 years compared to the previous centuries) is a bit ironic. It's as if he would like to see his theories proven "right" by seeing the American government expropriate the resources of another sovereign state.

Undoubtedly, there is something unnerving about the growing size of the federal government. Bailing out homegrown industries seems to be pushing the country toward a state socialism in which the government is the main employer. This isn't good, in the sense that its a brazen departure from the American libertarian tradition of small government.

reply to post by Mike.Ockizard


I was reading your post, and in regards to being a contractor and acquiring more work due to this environment, I urge you to consider that a contractor only has work so long as companies and builders are able to pay. My family owns a couple of small contracting business in the electrical and general construction areas, and things have drastically changed over the last few years. Consider that Texas is largely non-union; the contractors got hit first when the crunch started because there was no unionized workforce to lay off. It started when the housing market dropped, which took millions out of the builder's pockets. When the banks called in their debts from the builders, checks stopped coming to all but a handful of contracting companies, such as ours. The builders are still broke, half of them went bankrupt, and nobody is buying, so the entire market has pretty well collapsed; we're lucky to build four houses in a three month period, which is ridiculous. This won't improve until people start buying houses again, which simply won't happen with so many people needing to sell what they have to make ends meet.

This sort of domino effect can and will easily happen to whichever market is deemed unnecessary next; personally, I wouldn't doubt if restaurants and car dealerships went next. Little by little the familiar aspects of our Houstonian economy are being replaced with temp agencies and unemployment programs, none of which offer the pay or the hours required to get one's self out of debt. With no ladder to climb, these markets cannot and will not be revived, and the decay will continue to spread. Point is, the structure of the workforce is more or less cannibalizing itself; sooner or later, there won't be any jobs left to pick up from those who were canned. The only thing I could see helping the problem would be to create a new market which requires little monetary input to get off the ground. Colorado and Washington figured that much out.

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Canada's situation is similar to Saudi Arabia's. Massive landmass rich in resources with a very small population. Unlike Suadi Arabia, which is autocratic (and therefore the spoils of oil revenue are enjoyed by the Saudi royal family), Canada is a liberal democracy, and therefore, the people who make up the nation have a more equal share of the countries wealth.

I think if any western nation can survive and prosper in an economic collapse, Canada has the best chance. Unfortunately, however, a deeper question is a geopolitical one: isn't Canada America's 51st state? What would Canada be without the American superpower holding up the liberal world order? I'm reticent about forming too deep a tie with China, India or Brazil when none of these countries have the moral sensibility on the world stage as America has had (and yes, they aren't perfect, but no sane person would prefer a Chinese or Russian hegemon instead of an American hegemon. America is that 'benign tyrant', which people are likely to hate, but nevertheless tolerate and even emulate. Conversely, a world with China as the main superpower is likely to see the evisceration of the liberal world order America made).

So I think it's a delicate balance. Canada is important to America and America is important to Canada.

reply to post by Deny777

You can't eat gold

You can't drink gold

You can't use gold to keep you warm

I'm advising friends who have houses in the country to start growing their own food, going to join them and help with my skills on building and fixing things when the SHTF.

Well yah. People should invest in all those things... a little bit each. The true meaning of the word "hedge."

Especially for those that live in Suburbia, where they aren't allowed or don't have the room for a place to "grow food". They'd sell their kids for a can of soup when the time comes...

Or one pre 64 US silver quarter.

reply to post by Mike.Ockizard

Silver quarters going at around $5.50 apiece currently!

Sucks, huh?

Its going to get a lot worse. Inflation is at 12% right now.
The only thing keeping pace with that is precious metals.