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posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by JustJoe
the whole interview seems rehearsed to me...call me crazy...the real story is in all the fake bonds floating around and the totally hidden system of finance tied to it...all this other stuff is just radar scatter


Do your homework on the people who produced it. Not the type of organization that would pull a "hoax"




posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 05:18 PM
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One thing that keeps coming up and has finger-pointing is political party. Party has nothing to do with it. Both parties in the US that have dominated the Exec and Leg branches (R & D) have been equally responsible for the mess, regardless of who controlled the Exec or House or Senate. Mathematically, the defecit and debt pretty much assure collapse, and likely very soon. Special interest programs, exhorbitant and unnecessary military build-up and spending, and the federal reserve system method of operation assure this. There will be those, however, who are so filthy rich they can afford to ride the storm out. They only need to do things like invest overseas and build fortresses to isolate themselves when things get ugly. They're doing that en masse right now.

Sad thing is that the whole mess could be avoided by adhering to the Constitution and leaving charity to charity. When politicians realized they could get votes from special interest groups by doing favors at the expense of the whole (some time back in the late 1700's), we became a welfare state. The federal government needs to keep their management of money to the federal budget and stay the f&*( out of the national economy. It's not their job. Bailouts are beyond absurd and I don't know why they ever happen. How could a bank which has been bailed out by taxpayer dollars EVER foreclose on one of their clients? Boggles the mind.
edit on 11-2-2013 by lynxpilot because: context



posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 05:18 PM
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honestly, i'm across the pond and I could see this was going to happen sometime soon, I don't like it when people just direct their fingers at certain people though, not us, but the majority of the world is the reason for this... (most of civilian life is ofcourse exempt) but as I havent managed to catch a glimpse of this as they've not shown anything here
does anyone mind given more videos or links so I can research this more?
Muchly appreciated



posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by truthermantwo
Its odd that our government has no debt because the people get shouldered with it because the government is the people, so our leaders and military suck up all the money, then the corporate welfare and bailouts, then the people get scraps just enough to live on, while the wealthiest ones retire to an island paradise or go into hiding and dissappear. But truth is well never be in debt or poor, because we can create Gold, Diamonds and other precious metals with technology. So truly we can just keep adding to our gold supply, which backs the dollar, then engineer a debt crisis to affect global socio-economic political change for a singular purpose, namely global control.


So let me do the math... 16 trillion dollars would be ~6 billion pounds of gold.

How much gold in Ft. Knox?
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posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 05:21 PM
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This Doomsayer is a complete loon. He makes valid points about Japan, its ageing demographics, debt, and most of all the fact U.S government spending accounting for 40% of GDP in total.

But he fails to attack the fact too much U.S technology is going abroad, and too much wealth is being created in poor countries by Western investment, which is proving to be a bad thing as their growing consumption is driving up the costs of raw materials.

Furthermore he will not be making ANY money from the on-going stock market rises. His whole economic outlook seems to be governed by ideology and selective facts more than a fairer outlook, and nowhere was this better illustrated than when he said the U.S has been in fantasy land since 1971. Actually U.S GDP was just over 1 trillion in 1971 and now stands at over 14 trillion.7
www.google.co.uk...:USA&dl=en&hl=en&q=us%20gdp%20graph

One of the reasons for this is that investing in Gold (rather than e.g. factories) does not create wealth, it never does anything useful, all it does is protect wealth so long as there is financial uncertainty (it falls during the good times, and has moved sideways over the last year).

His main advice seems to be put your money in precise metals so you can exchange them for Cannabis inside some socialist community that has been tried a thousand times before, and which always fail in one or more of several ways.



posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by sulaw
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I totally get where your coming from. And anyone who has worked for there retirement, surely deserves it. Though I cannot back these " Entitlements " you speak of.

The entitlements of retired senators, house reps, president et cetera are over the top. The benefits behind selling out a countryman/woman or your Nation for uber benefits.... Priceless.....
Keep your Uber monetary possesions.

So the fact you keep voting for these "Knuckleheads" just to keep your entitlements, to me says "Part of the Problem".

I applaud you for being able to retire sir, and I mean no disrespect from the above, it's just the nature of the beast with us common fold down here. I wish I could say the same for the common folk in a Nation where my Generation might not ever see Social Security, let alone "Entitlements".

Now if you are a Veteran of America, I appologize 100,000,000 fold as I think they should be the ones with the entitlement not the pencil pushing educated derelict elites that created this conundrum of filth that will be left to my generation and thereafter to clean up.

Good day sir.


Dont know about that, I know of plenty of folks that collect a retirement check that really did not earn it. Not saying the person that this post reference does or doesnt, just saying there of lots of jobs that are paid for by taxpayers where the people dont work hard or deserve what tey get (reda: government workers)

Again, not all govt workers fall into this category but if you have ever worked at a govt agency you will know what I mean.



posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by FeatherofMaat
Talk of end of world on Dec 21, 2012 going mainstream!!!!!! Books written!! George Noory in a tizzy! MSM covers!!!

Oh wait ...


No predictions here. Just awareness about whats going on. If the whole world agreed, this could go away in an instant. But the whole world has been fragmented into factions by greed and corruption hasnt it...



posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 05:28 PM
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The people that are screaming about collapse have been doing so for about five years now. In almost every instance, the USA collapse was imminent. Well, here we are five years into it, and NOTHING. Every time a new video, or new thread pops up the collapse is "going to happen soon", but never does. Im tired of this fearmongering.

You people screaming about the great collapse are no better than the 2012 doomsayers.



posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 05:35 PM
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All this talk of the US collapse is bull****! Just to many people from other countries jealous of our powerful military might and power. Even if we did have a small economic collapse it would not affect our military and power because they are on other separate budgets. Sorry folks, us civilians may have some hard times but GOD Bless The United States Military!!!!!!!



posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by eagledriver
One of the biggest problems we have in Europe and in the US especially in that our government pension plans are way too generous. I personally know a retired teacher that does not work, but has way too much money. She lives by herself, divorced many years ago and all children are in their 50's. She has a new car in her garage that she rarely uses, a big house to herself and travels internationally every other month ad sends her grand kids on international hoiday trips, all on her government pension! I work full time for the last 30 years in the high tech industry and she is doing better than me and she does nothing! Sack lunchs everyday and no vacations and just recently could afford a HDTV (32"). My mother is 72 and still has to work because she can't live on SS alone and she has no pension! The Governmant pensions are a crime and unsustainable and should be completely revamped and they will be gone when the US crashes and takes the rest of the world down with them. Why do you think that every city, county, state and federal agency is cutback or broke? Government pensions and entitlements. Mark my words. It will happen, because our government in inept and polarized and when the dominos start to fall it will be quick. So prepare now, because our king Obama is starting to swing the axe harder in his grand plan to break our backs.
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I see a different source of the problem we have. We have been raised (in america anyway) with the belief that we are entitled. The belief that if we work hard we can have material things like houses, cars, jewelry, etc, etc. Thats the carrot on the stick people. There simply are not enough natural resources to provide all this "stuff" for everyone. We are stripping the planet of the materials used to make this "stuff" and then we dont recycle it. For the most part we mix it with other "stuff" and bury it. Now, in order for later generations to get stuff, they have to figure out where to get the resources to produce it. Digging it up is not an affordable option and in some cases it gets destroyed or converted to something else through decomposition. (think copper).

We have been lied to in order to make us work. The real decision is, do we use what energy and resources left to save/recoup resources or to get offthe planet to anotherplanet and try to be more responsible?



posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 05:44 PM
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I wont comment one way or the other on what anyone should do with thier hard earned money. My purpose with this thread was to raise awareness of the issue and the potential consequences. Who know's, like somebody said, they might just make up a new word that means debt is reduced and new problems will face us.

I do think that in the event of financial collapse there will be a logical sequence of other failures that can be defined. Unfortunately I dont know what they are but maybe theres a wiz out there that does. One of the early signs of financial instability will probably be a pullback in credit. This happened already with the housing bubble along with massive foreclosures and layoffs.

That said, I wouldnt expect to be able to use a credit card for very long.



posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by lynxpilot
One thing that keeps coming up and has finger-pointing is political party. Party has nothing to do with it. Both parties in the US that have dominated the Exec and Leg branches (R & D) have been equally responsible for the mess, regardless of who controlled the Exec or House or Senate. Mathematically, the defecit and debt pretty much assure collapse, and likely very soon. Special interest programs, exhorbitant and unnecessary military build-up and spending, and the federal reserve system method of operation assure this. There will be those, however, who are so filthy rich they can afford to ride the storm out. They only need to do things like invest overseas and build fortresses to isolate themselves when things get ugly. They're doing that en masse right now.

Sad thing is that the whole mess could be avoided by adhering to the Constitution and leaving charity to charity. When politicians realized they could get votes from special interest groups by doing favors at the expense of the whole (some time back in the late 1700's), we became a welfare state. The federal government needs to keep their management of money to the federal budget and stay the f&*( out of the national economy. It's not their job. Bailouts are beyond absurd and I don't know why they ever happen. How could a bank which has been bailed out by taxpayer dollars EVER foreclose on one of their clients? Boggles the mind.
edit on 11-2-2013 by lynxpilot because: context


Our countries founders are turning in their graves. The principles and ideas this country was founded on have been perverted by greed.



posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 05:51 PM
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Do you have any other links or resources I may use as I am really interested in this and would love to get an even better knowledge on this as there's no coverage of this over in England!



posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by spilly911
honestly, i'm across the pond and I could see this was going to happen sometime soon, I don't like it when people just direct their fingers at certain people though, not us, but the majority of the world is the reason for this... (most of civilian life is ofcourse exempt) but as I havent managed to catch a glimpse of this as they've not shown anything here
does anyone mind given more videos or links so I can research this more?
Muchly appreciated


Try this:


And This (the warning shot in '08):



And some background on the bankers:




posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 05:56 PM
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Just provided above this response. Cheers!



posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by Liberal1984
This Doomsayer is a complete loon. He makes valid points about Japan, its ageing demographics, debt, and most of all the fact U.S government spending accounting for 40% of GDP in total.

But he fails to attack the fact too much U.S technology is going abroad, and too much wealth is being created in poor countries by Western investment, which is proving to be a bad thing as their growing consumption is driving up the costs of raw materials.

Furthermore he will not be making ANY money from the on-going stock market rises. His whole economic outlook seems to be governed by ideology and selective facts more than a fairer outlook, and nowhere was this better illustrated than when he said the U.S has been in fantasy land since 1971. Actually U.S GDP was just over 1 trillion in 1971 and now stands at over 14 trillion.7
www.google.co.uk...:USA&dl=en&hl=en&q=us%20gdp%20graph

One of the reasons for this is that investing in Gold (rather than e.g. factories) does not create wealth, it never does anything useful, all it does is protect wealth so long as there is financial uncertainty (it falls during the good times, and has moved sideways over the last year).

His main advice seems to be put your money in precise metals so you can exchange them for Cannabis inside some socialist community that has been tried a thousand times before, and which always fail in one or more of several ways.


So where do you stand. Never claimed he was some genius. The point of the OP is that we are starting to hear it being said louder that there is actually a real problem with potentially devastating consequences.

Dont shoot the messenger... please?



posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 06:05 PM
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Brought to you by progressive investors, your watching an infomercial.



posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by XalienagendaX
The people that are screaming about collapse have been doing so for about five years now. In almost every instance, the USA collapse was imminent. Well, here we are five years into it, and NOTHING. Every time a new video, or new thread pops up the collapse is "going to happen soon", but never does. Im tired of this fearmongering.

You people screaming about the great collapse are no better than the 2012 doomsayers.



Please, do your homework. Do you read the financials? Do you understand basic accounting? We owe more in bills than we collect in revenue. It's that simple. The scary part is the numbers we are talking about. Do your research and you will find that with the size of the debt, and the compounding interest on that debt, it is mathematically impossible for us to pay it off.

The dollar is in decline meaning you are probably paying more for basic goods and services. Unless we fix it, this growth in cost to you will continue to climb to a point where you wont be able to provide food and shelter for the ones you care about... or yourself.

I've done my homework. I read the financials. I shake my head everyday wondering how it could have gotten this bad. Sad thing is, they govt isnt fixing it, it's making it worse. In 2008 the GAO estimated that with the proper steps taken, we could turn this around in a couple of DECADES. And all we would suffer is something just shy of a DEPRESSION. That was when the debt was 4 trillion. It is now 16 TRILLION. So please, look it all up and share what you learn. I really like hearing ideas on how to weather the storm or even fantasy on how we could fix it. I mean even the government has run out of ideas...

Thanks for your contribution



posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by chisisiCoptos
All this talk of the US collapse is bull****! Just to many people from other countries jealous of our powerful military might and power. Even if we did have a small economic collapse it would not affect our military and power because they are on other separate budgets. Sorry folks, us civilians may have some hard times but GOD Bless The United States Military!!!!!!!


Thanks for the response. Might as well save some typing. The person ahead of you expressed the same outlook:

Please, do your homework. Do you read the financials? Do you understand basic accounting? We owe more in bills than we collect in revenue. It's that simple. The scary part is the numbers we are talking about. Do your research and you will find that with the size of the debt, and the compounding interest on that debt, it is mathematically impossible for us to pay it off.

The dollar is in decline meaning you are probably paying more for basic goods and services. Unless we fix it, this growth in cost to you will continue to climb to a point where you wont be able to provide food and shelter for the ones you care about... or yourself.

I've done my homework. I read the financials. I shake my head everyday wondering how it could have gotten this bad. Sad thing is, they govt isnt fixing it, it's making it worse. In 2008 the GAO estimated that with the proper steps taken, we could turn this around in a couple of DECADES. And all we would suffer is something just shy of a DEPRESSION. That was when the debt was 4 trillion. It is now 16 TRILLION. So please, look it all up and share what you learn. I really like hearing ideas on how to weather the storm or even fantasy on how we could fix it. I mean even the government has run out of ideas...



posted on Feb, 11 2013 @ 06:28 PM
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Its not your math. I used to buy silver coins at gun shows, back then (in the late 70's and early 80's) they were five times face value.

Five Times Face Value. I'm crying...



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