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Originally posted by JimmyBlonde
reply to post by twitchy
I gave you a star thingy for making the effort. Please, however, use paragraphs next time, your post hurts my eyes!
[edit on 21-9-2007 by JimmyBlonde, yeah, my spelling is crap]
Originally posted by twitchy
Aren't you a freemason as well axeman?
I was going to ignore you as the hobnobbing freemasons on this board have tried over and over again to derail this thread, but let me ask you a question...
Why is that the Freemasons here are the ONLY ones defending this rip off?
Vested intrest?
As to how much it costs the average american, well that's a mystery because the Kosher folks don't release the numbers. It's a multi-billion dollar industry, entirely supported by people who are largely ignorant of the fact that they are being hustled. Let's say just for entertainment that it's 10 billion a year getting sucked out of unwary consumers, at a population of 300 million, that's what about 33 bucks a person? Canada offers folks a tax deduction of thousands of dollars per person so I'm sure the 10 billion is a very low estimate for the US kosher booty.
Would you let me stick my hands in your pocket if I were only taking a little bit of money, thirty bucks? What if my hand was in everybody's pocket only taking a little bit?
As to why people don't raise more hell about it, well most folks don't have a clue what the K and U means on their groceries, they take the Kosher logo out of mainstream advertising, Daisy Sour Cream Commercials for example, the product is shown without any Kosher logo on the packaging.
Ask your local Grocer manager what the symbols mean, chances are he won't have a clue unless he hobnobs down at the local lodge with the other wannabe wizards.
Best way to give back to the community is not to steal from them in the first place, mason.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
There's nothing in my fridge with a kosher sticker on it, and if you want kosher, you have to purposefully seek it out.
Originally posted by billybob
it is simple. if jewish people want their food to be certified by a rabbi(or their draino), then jewish people should pay extra, and that cost should be built into the product.
it is a crime to steal 'kosher tax' from the non-jewish population....
religious tax is unconstitutional, biased, unfair, and plain wrong.
Source
In the United Status the Kosher market is around US $200 billions (200.000 million dollars) at 2005 consumer prices, according to Kosher Today magazine. Many producers in the USA and Canada look for specialized markets. From chocolates, preserves, pasta, juices and condiments, more and more Kosher certified products are available to satisfy consumers in search of quality product and in food security.( Source: gourmetretailer.com/gourmetretailer/magazine/ article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1738481. )
In Canada , Kosher food represents a growing niche associated with all types of cuisines. A recent study by USDA (United Status Department of Agriculture) shows that sales of Kosher food increased from $480 to $557 million Canadian dollars from 2000 to 2001. ( Source: Consumer Trends in the Canadian Kosher Market, agric.gov.ab.ca/ )
Originally posted by twitchy
Here you go axeman...
Source
In the United Status the Kosher market is around US $200 billions (200.000 million dollars) at 2005 consumer prices, according to Kosher Today magazine....
200 billion devided by the current us population of 300 million is 666 dollars and 66 cents. 666 dollars per US citizen a year. 666...
Edit:
Math Error, it's 66666.666666666666666666666666667!
Edit: All these masons on this thread... Anybody still wondering why I put this in the Secret Societies Forum now?
Originally posted by twitchy
Oh yeah I forgot your masonic affiliation predisposes you to some higher sense of morality than the rest of us, which obviously leads you to defend the jewish taxation of those less free or accepted than your ma ha bologna.
You may be ok with digging into other people's pockets in the name of your beliefs, but the rest of find paying extra for our products because of some obscure meat laws in Deuteronomy for Jewish people to be an affront.
The Canadian Tax Credit is specifically for Kosher Costs bourne by the other 97% of the population, a credit which is valued in the thousands of dollars, that's what is has to do with it.
You failed to answer my question, why is it freemasonry is the only folks defending this scam?
Originally posted by The Axeman
Originally posted by twitchy
Why is that the Freemasons here are the ONLY ones defending this rip off?
Vested intrest?
Hardly. Maybe it's because most Masons are the types of people who look at things critically, question their surroundings and investigate and apply reason and intellect to a given problem.
As to what freemasonry has to do with all this, well, I think you know what I'm talking about.
Ignoring you and all the other masons who come to this thread to throw their subtle accusations around and post holocaust pictures allows me to bring this to light, real light, aka truth.
Anybody who isn't a freemason have an opinion on this?
Probably not.
Originally posted by The Axeman
Don't drop a bunch of links; I don't have time for that. I want YOUR thoughts on the issue, SUPPLEMENTED with sources when applicable.
Originally posted by exitestablishment
Originally posted by The Axeman
Hardly. Maybe it's because most Masons are the types of people who look at things critically, question their surroundings and investigate and apply reason and intellect to a given problem.
Unlike in this thread! Clearly it seems that twitchy has "looked at things critically", "questioned their surroundings" and "investigated and applied reason and intellect to this given problem". So what's the problem? There was a Jewish mason who did the same and agreed with twitchy point. It seems the masons cannot and will not conciede that their argument against twitchy is without merit and a collaborated effort to shut down this informative thread. Masonry in this thread has been exposed, so to speak.
Originally posted by exitestablishment
Unlike in this thread! Clearly it seems that twitchy has "looked at things critically", "questioned their surroundings" and "investigated and applied reason and intellect to this given problem". So what's the problem? There was a Jewish mason who did the same and agreed with twitchy point. It seems the masons cannot and will not conciede that their argument against twitchy is without merit and a collaborated effort to shut down this informative thread. Masonry in this thread has been exposed, so to speak.
Originally posted by The Axeman
Don't drop a bunch of links; I don't have time for that.....
I don't have time to wade through 11 pages of posts looking for the answer to a question that you could simply answer and be done with it.
Originally posted by twitchy
As I said, if you have some evidence to the contrary, then out with it. Otherwise good day to you sir.
The "Kosher tax" (or "Jewish tax") is a canard or urban legend spread by anti-Semitic, white supremacist and other extremist organizations such as the National Alliance and Ku Klux Klan.
Background:
It refers to the claim that food producers must pay an exorbitant amount to obtain the right to display a symbol on their products (often a K or U in a circle) that indicates it is kosher or pareve, and that this cost is passed on to consumers through higher prices which constitute a “kosher tax”. Additional false claims are made that this “tax” is “extorted” from food companies wishing to avoid a boycott, and used to support Zionist causes or the state of Israel. Racist groups encourage consumers to avoid this “Jewish tax” by boycotting kosher products, or by requesting a refund from the government on their income taxes.
The actual cost to the consumer is generally minuscule; in 1975 the cost per item for obtaining kosher certification was estimated by The New York Times as being 6.5 millionths (0.0000065) of a cent per item for a typical product. This is more than offset by the advantages of being certified. Certification leads to increased revenues of sales by opening up the additional markets such as Jews who keep kosher; Muslims who keep halal; and vegans, Seventh-day Adventists, and the lactose intolerant who wish to avoid dairy products (products that are certified as pareve may meet this criterion). According to Berel Wein, “The cost of kashrut certification is always viewed as an advertising expense and not as a manufacturing expense.” Dispellers of the “kosher tax” legend argue that if it were not profitable to obtain such certification, then food producers would not engage in the certification process, and that the increased sales resulting from kosher certification actually lower the overall cost per item.