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Topic started on 26-10-2004 @ 01:50 AM by twitchy
I started a thread the other day in regards to fees that are charged to food companies by a certain religous organization, it was almost immediately struck down as being a "thinly veiled hate thread" by one of the moderators, so I am reposting it and presenting my information from less "inciteful" sources in the hopes that we can discuss it here on ATS. I am not anti-religon whatsoever, nor do I believe in hatred for any group or nationality, religous or otherwise, period. This is not a hate thread, it is a question. The last thread I started on this topic was much more specific and my apologies for my vagueness here but I really would like to debate this topic without somebody jumping out of their chair calling me a "*&^Hater". If this is something we can't discuss on ATS, then why?
Rather than posting a direct link to any one source, which apparently was a no-no, I will simply provide a search link and let you guys do your own homework...
www.google.com...
That said, here is a hypothetical situation for you...
Let's say that your religous doctrine would not allow you to eat cheetos, so you send representatives to various food companies and tell them that you can't eat any cheetos and you want to inspect their facilities to make sure they aren't putting any Cheetos ingredients in with their product FOR A FEE, if they agree to allow this inspection and pay you a fee, you allow them to use a trademarked symbol to tell the consumer that that product has received your organizations blessings for being cheetos free. Now if they don't pay the fee, you threaten to boycott their product very PUBLICLY. Now, in this meeting you also express your conerns that their suppliers might be using cheetos products and for you to carry that symbol, your suppliers also must pay this fee for inspections. Let's say hypothetically of course, that the idea catches on and next thing you know, even companies that make products like bleach and scrub pads or window cleaner which have nothing to do with Cheetos whatsoever come into play and your inspection process turns into a multi-billion dollar industry. Sound fishy? Well, let's say also just for fun, the federal government dissolves the seperation of church and state for your organization and manifests a federally mandated oversight commission to make sure your group is getting paid this fee. Now lets say the idea really catches on, and some other in your group get the same idea and go the same companies saying well your group certified it, but theirs didn't, they have to pay another fee...This raises some questions, if the fee is to make sure that you don't get any cheetos in the food, why would you charge comapnies that make scrub pads or bleach? Why would the federal government subsidize and enforce it when it is a religous institution? Why are you charging a fee to food companies instead of appealing to a market which would cater to that interest like all other special interests? And really the big question here is, who actually pays this fee in the long run? The consumers that don't know anything about cheetos do. Is it really about cheetos, or is it about money?
Lots of money....


reply posted on 26-10-2004 @ 03:07 AM by twitchy
Facts... nah, that would be spreading hatred according to one of the mods that deleted my prior post on this subject. So lets post some hypothetical facts... In the last post I was accused of being antisemitic, that is not the case, if it were a baptist group I would be equally upset that the federal government was backing this religous organization, and I would be equally upset that I was paying more for my food than neesecary because of any religous considerations. If it is about keeping 'cheetos' out of their food, why is there kosher toliet bowl cleaner or kosher window cleaner. you are buying one heck of alot more of these products than you think, look through your cupboard or pantry, you'll see what i mean if you know what to look for. In the last post I cited my sources, and like I said that was a no-no cause all thirty some odd of them were of course 'hate' sites, which is absurd but I never got a reply from the moderator that trashed it when I asked him why it was being called a 'hate thread'. Another thing I have noticed is that the only sites that defend this practice I have seen so far have been jewish. I don't know boys, I smell a rat here... take a look at the following clips, all of which are attainable through the link provided in my previous.. If this seems like a hate thread, my apologies in advance, it isn't, it is a question in regards to what i think amounts to a racketeering of major food companies, not just food either, SEJohnson, and many many others as well...

Mod Edit: Large copy and paste... without source. Don't do this.

[edit on 26-10-2004 by MacKiller]


reply posted on 26-10-2004 @ 06:02 PM by twitchy
Kosher means quality? Let me get this right, food companies are paying a fee to have a religous orgnaization inspect their products to insure quality?
Yeah. Isn't that what the FDA is for? If there such a market for Kosher qualified foods, why is it that the 97% percent of non-jewish folks are carrying the burden of this process? Why is this fee being attached to toliet bowl cleaners? Can you imagine the controversy if food comapnies had to pay a fee to insure that something was acceptable to the Baptist community, and the government provided oversight of a religous group?
Even some jewish publications have stated that the Kosher inspection process is of "profit making concern." We aren't talking about quality assurance here, we are talking about a religous institution and a racketerring scam. Look through your pantry, if you aren't jewish, you sure are making alot of contributions to the jewish cause through your purchase of these products. Seriously, look.. almost every major name brand product is paying these fees, fees that some estimates have in the billions of dollars. Are you implying that if we don't want to pay the higher costs of a jewish approved product we must settle for lesser quality? Vegetarians have comapnies that cater to that interest, but you don't have vegetarian preists charging food comapnies to inspect their facilities. It's far more widespread than you think it is. Call up one of these major food companies and ask them how much they pay in kosher related fees and see how forthcomming they are with that information.
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