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reply posted on 5-9-2005 @ 03:04 AM by sebatwerk
Originally posted by twitchy
But just to let you know that I am in the process of remedying that problem, I uploaded a page to geocities
just for you.

Funny, my geocities account uploads fine...


WHAT IS THAT!?!? You claimed to have PROOF, in the form of a masonic monitor, that Freemasonry explicitly tells its members to lie in court to protect each other, DID YOU NOT?!?!? What you have provided here is completely irrelevant to the original discussion. You are going in circles and avoiding the original subject, and this shows that you truly have nothing.


Now as to Freemasonry and Zionism, yes I can prove it. But before I reply to that question, I want to know if you are going to seriously deny this?


Absolutely, Freemasonry has nothing to do with modern Zionism in any way. Now stop trying to change the subject! You are doing this because you know you LIED about your original claim! Admit it!!!

Now, like Axeman stated, STOP PUSSYFOOTING AND PROVIDE THE SCANS THAT PROVE YOUR ORIGINAL CLAIM!


[edit on 5-9-2005 by sebatwerk]


reply posted on 5-9-2005 @ 03:52 AM by twitchy
The scans will come when I am good and damned good and ready to post them, mason. Either way, that is another thread, comming soon. How about Kosher, can you stay on topic?

EDIT:
"Antisemitism and anti-masonry often — implicitely or explicitely — go hand in hand."
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freemasonry.bcy.ca...
I wonder why you and other masons on this board are so quick to deny what is blatantly professed on MASONIC websites and Literature? Either your lying outright, or the Masonic Literature is.

www.mason.org.tr...
There is a
clear relationship between Freemasonry, Judaism and International Zionism


www.edume.org...
Freemasonry. This is a secret Jewish organization working covertly for the realization of the Jews' greatest interests. Freemasonry is a deceptive word which deludes the hearers to believe that it is a noble vocation, for its meaning is 'the free builders'. Its motto is 'liberty, fraternity, equality'.
2. B'nai B'rith, i.e., 'Sons of the Covenant'. This association was established in 1834 in America.
3. World Lyons Clubs. The meaning of Lyons is 'lions'. They are Masonic clubs the center of which is in America and they have secret agents in all parts of the world.
4. The Rotary Clubs. They were established in 1905 in Chicago in America and later spread to all parts of the world.

Zionism is connected to Freemasonry, but Zionism is purely Jewish in its form, style, content and membership and serves the Jews' goals directly. It is the official executive apparatus of world Jewry. As for Freemasonry, it is inwardly Jewish. It raises general humanitarian slogans, and non-Jews may rally under its banner. It is a secular, atheistic and secret movement that serves the Jews indirectly. It is the hidden force which creates the opportunities for the Jews. Therefore Zionism uses it for the realization of its goals.
Hadith and Islamic Culture, Grade 10, (2001) p. 101


www.radioislam.org...
FREEMASONRY
Zion has many arms, and one of them is Freemasonry. Freemasonry practically came into being along with Zionism and is its fellow-traveller. The Freemasons fulfil approximately the same rôle for Zionism as the Jesuits do for Roman Catholicism. The early Freemasons were the builders of the Temple of Solomon. Large numbers of secret Freemasonic lodges have at all times served as a means of fooling people by promising to build a better world, a world of goodness, charity, equality and justice, but in actual fact as a means of enticing people into the nets of Zion, of placing them under Zion's command and, through those people, directing countries and events.



www.conspiracyworld.com...
On May 3, 1996 in Israel, Tel Aviv police raided an apartment, joined by reporters from a TV news program and the daily newspaper Davar Rishon. They found a bizarre scene. The walls were covered in Latin script, skulls and bones graced the shelves, swords were crossed and mounted behind an altar. Five doors led to secret passageways with red blinking intruder warning lights."
"The news reports the next day announced, 'The apartments were used for ceremonies by the Freemasons, an organization whose membership boasts cabinet ministers and high ranking army officers.'" (Inside Israel, August 1996 edition, pages 4-6)

educate-yourself.org...
Important Points of Connection Between Zionism and Freemasonry
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reply posted on 12-5-2006 @ 03:08 AM by twitchy
Anyway, if I can keep the masons at bay long enough to actually discuss the topic here, even NASA is looking into having the International Space Station Kosher Certified, giving some credence to the old addage that "The World Is Not Enough"...


Source
NASA is planning to consult a number of Rabbis on the subject. Besides calculating the directional relationship of Jerusalem to the International Space Station, other issues include keeping kosher food and keeping Shabbat, the Jewish day of rest.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



Source
American Space Agency NASA is about to begin a series of consultations with rabbis as part of preparations for the stay of Jewish astronauts in its international space station.
NASA is seeking to consult rabbis regarding the necessary arrangements and ways to uphold Torah commandments in space. Among other things, there is a need to determine at every stage in the space flight the position of Jerusalem in relation to the space station, so that astronauts know which was to turn when praying.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Even the trucks that haul your food must now be certified Kosher as well...


Source
The rules also apply to the equipment used to transport food ingredients.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Hell even insecticides and Organic products are 'having' to be certified Kosher, right down to your wholesome bio-herbicides.
And no, you don't have a choice anymore...


Source
Many food companies that once made both nonkosher and kosher versions of the same foods now make only kosher versions of their products. It is more efficient to manufacture all foods under the most stringent manufacturing guidelines rather than following different production procedures for kosher and nonkosher.
"Most companies now are totally kosher, totally following the kosher rules," said Rick Jasa....
The logos on those mainstream products might easily go unnoticed by the nonkosher consumer...

Trade magazine Kosher Today reported that about $190 billion, or 40 percent, of products sold in U.S. grocery stores in 2005 were kosher certified.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Hmmm 40% of products for 3% of the population's religous requirements? Actually that 40% is a very conservative estimate, if you have actually looked when you shop, you'll find 40% actually hard to believe. The ultimate insult is that we pay extra to have to have our food, indeed our entire food industy, including Steel Mills and Simethicone makers, and every truck and glove in between, and it isn't even up to the standards of what they call Ethnic kosher!??!

Source
The kosher market can be considered as two separate markets: "mainstream and kosher" and "ethnic kosher." "Mainstream and kosher products" are those foods that are kosher-certified but have little relevance or bearing on traditional kosher food ways. These kosher-certified products are as much at home on the shelves of consumers who have no interest in kosher foods as they are on the shelves of those consumers for whom the kosher symbol is important. "Ethnic kosher foods," on the other hand, are products that are "kosher by design"--such items as gefilte fish, matzoh, schav and borscht (both types of soup), and other traditional ethnic Jewish food products. "Ethnic kosher foods," like other ethnic foods, are consumed by anyone interested in those specific flavor profiles and foods.

Big money to be made in the Kosher Certification business, fake Kosher certificate apparently runs you about five grand on the black market.


reply posted on 9-8-2006 @ 03:32 AM by twitchy
Originally posted by twitchy

www.mason.org.tr...
There is a
clear relationship between Freemasonry, Judaism and International Zionism

I noticed these guys changed the wording of their page, this quote no longer exsists on the web site, even the google cached page reflects the changes if that tells you anything. I'd like to think I had something to do with that.

Seriously though guys, take the Twitchy challenge and see if you can go to the Grocery and purchase your normal fare without buying anything labeled Kosher. My wife and I tried it and all we were able to find was potted meat, hot dogs and potato chips. The Milk we thought wasn't kosher until we gave the local Milk Plant a call to find out, it's Kosher as well as some things that weren't marked kosher in the Bakery section, the cases they came in were marked instead. 3% of the population charging a religous, federally regulated, taxation of your food. not just your food either, your soaps, your bleach, your steel industry, the glue on your stamps, inks, etc. ad naseum.


reply posted on 19-8-2006 @ 10:37 PM by twitchy
Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
What about "Tom and Jerry's Ice Cream." It is a premium brand, and large grocers can be expected by their customers to carry the stuff. Yet T&J charge "extra," so that their ingredients are "pure," and a part of the profits go to their various leftwing "hobbies."

Same with Coors, "rocky mountain springwater." It's an anti-plains-state consortium; they are driving Kansas-brewed beer out of the market, and their money goes to right wing nuttery like the NRA. So, there's a "rocky mountain springwater tax" built into every can of mule pee you drink . . .

Yeah, but Ben and Jerry's and Coors aren't charging food companies, plastics and steel industries, detergent makers, transportation industries, and so on and so on, for federally regulated yet completely religous based fees at the behest of three percent of the population, most of which don't even keep traditional kosher either. Rocky Mountain 'Spring Water' assures some difference in quality, as do 'pure' ingredients, and I'm pretty sure their profits from these qualifications don't amount to a multi-billion dollar extortion either, nor are Ben and Jerry going around charging fees to the steel industry, or the NY Water System, ad nauseum. Let's not try to mitigate a multi-billion dollar scam by saying an ice cream company says they use pure ingredients, that's not even in the same ball park, and last I heard, Ice Cream or beer aren't a religous interest.
What part of 3% making billions and billions in the US alone on 97% for their religous considerations sound kosher to you?


reply posted on 20-8-2006 @ 07:32 AM by dr_strangecraft
Originally posted by twitchy

Yeah, but Ben and Jerry's and Coors aren't charging food companies, plastics and steel industries, detergent makers, transportation industries, and so on and so on, for federally regulated yet completely religous based fees

emphasis added by strangecraft


In my mind, that's the crux of your arguement, right there; the idea that it's somehow federally regulated. I've tried to read through this thread, but the personal attacks are a bit much to wade through. Twitchy, if you've already posted evidence of federal regulation, could you please post it again? It would probably change my mind, for one.



at the behest of three percent of the population, most of which don't even keep traditional kosher either.


If they don't really keep kosher, then it implies that they are not much of social action force---they're not going to boycott my brand of bubble gum, if they don't really care that much about Kosher-ness.

I also haven't noticed any posts about the impact of Kosher advertizing on GENTILE populations, either. I buy "hebrew national" hotdogs for instance. Not because I care about Kosher, but I know that there is a bit less bone meal, flour, and pig sphincter per cubic inch of hotdog. I suspect that most of their purhcasers feel the same.



Rocky Mountain 'Spring Water' assures some difference in quality, as do 'pure' ingredients, and I'm pretty sure their profits from these qualifications don't amount to a multi-billion dollar extortion either


But your argument isn't primarily about the AMOUNT of money involved, right? I hear you saying that it's wrong for moral reasons, and not simply because it makes someone a profit, right?



and last I heard, Ice Cream or beer aren't a religous interest.
What part of 3% making billions and billions in the US alone on 97% for their religous considerations sound kosher to you?


Is this about money, then? or about the immorality of imposing "tax" on gentiles?

Is this wrong because it's done in the name of religion? If so, then maybe we ought to be talking about foods that advertize their vegetarian credentials. A significant portion of vegetarians keep their practice for religious reasons.

Look, I just don't see any evidence of coercion here. What Coke spends on lawsuits to defend its logo is a huge multiple of what it costs to Kosher their corn syrup. Same with every other "big business." The side effect of Capital is that your money gets used in questionable ways once you give it to somoene else. But then, it quit being your money at that point.
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