Originally posted by Leveller
Well firstly, the only defence that people like yourself seem to use is by labelling those who oppose you as Jews or Masons. I reckon there's an
irony in there somewhere, don't you?
Almost as ironic as another mason getting on this thread (i.e. leveller) and telling me that I label those who oppose me as masons.
Originally posted by Leveller
Secondly, the insinuation that money from Kosher food sales goes to fuel some secret Zionist conspiracy just isn't true.
www.snopes.com...
www.adl.org...
www.boycottwatch.org...
Snopes eh? Are you familiar with the term apologist? That whole article on snopes is little more than an apologist's perspective. According to your
own source,
Less observant Jews do not bother themselves overly much about the kosherness of everyday items; they avoid the out-and-out no-nos such as pork and
shellfish but don't lose much sleep over the animal fat content of their washing-up liquid, nor do they fret that cold cuts might now be resting upon
a plate that had months earlier been used to serve cheese....
Ah I see, that's why 3% of the population charges the other 97% fees on their bleach and other items.
Does certification add to the price of a product? Certainly... it's all legitimate business expense...
That my friend, is the whole point of this thread. It's a business, 'of profit making concern' and has little or nothing to do with the jewish
tradition of keeping kosher. A government regulated, yet tax free business that imposes religous beliefs of a wealthy minority on the rest of the
population. Scopes has hardly debunked this information, they have confirmed it, and claimed it isn't a big deal. I notice they fail to mention the
words billions and international. Thanks for linking to the scopes article actually, it prooves my point made earlier that the only defense fo this
practice varies from "It doesn't exsist, your a jew hater, to "yeah it exsists, but it isn't a big deal, your a jew hater" finally to, "Yeah so
what, you're a jew hater".
adl.org? LOL. Not even going to waste my time with that one...Next.
www.boycottwatch.org
Well, let's see what your final source has to say...
the overall result of having a kosher certification on products is lower consumer costs and higher manufacturer profits at the same time because
manufacturers are able to lower their costs by spreading the manufacturing costs over a larger number of items on a per-piece basis with increased
sales due to the added product demand.
Added product demand from 3% of the population eh? A 'per-piece' fee reduces consumer and manufacturer's costs? Uh, yeah. Sure thing bubba. Can you
say billions? Can you say 3%. This source is perpetuating the same bologna as the Kosher companies. It doesn't a mathematician to figure out that
this assertion is complete garbage.
Originally posted by Leveller
The amazing thing is that the US consumer who promotes this story is really only saying "I am stupid". If he hadn't created the market demand in
the first place, this would't be an issue. Nobody forces people to buy Kosher foods and whatever you may believe, there are plenty of products out
there that aren't Kosher.
Let me see, you're saying that 3% of the population of this country has created such an overwhelming demand for jewish blessed products, that 3/4 of
all prepackaged food has to carry this label to be marketable? LOL. No, the amazing thing is, most folks don't have a clue about it, advertising
comapnies intentionally remove the Kosher certification from their ads, and yes there are plenty of non-kosher products out there, but I'll be damned
if I can find many of them at any of my local supermarkets. You obviously haven't read the thread or checked out my sources, many of which are from
jewish organizations themselves. 3/4 of all prepackaged products, billions of dollars in government regulated, non-taxable fees in the name of a
religous entity. No, no one is forcing us to buy these products, yet another apologist view of an illegal racketeering scam that cost the american
consumer billions of dollars. Imagine if cigarette companies had painted out the surgeon general's warning in their advertisments, fired and
threatened members of the media for exposing them, etc. Get real.
Originally posted by Leveller
Now, as I've already stated, I don't necessarily agree with tax breaks for any commercial company based on religious grounds. But if the
consumer is buying the product and he isn't being ripped off, I don't see a conspiracy. All I see is marketing and business trying to meet
consumer demand.
Ah, that explains why they paint out the kosher labels in their advertisments in mainstream markets, yet highlight them in the same ads marketed to
jewish publications. Sigh. If the consumer is buying the product, yet has no idea what the certifications mean, and if the government is imposing the
religous beliefs of a minority on them, and the fees are in the billions of untracable, untaxable money which is clearly clandestine in nature with
members of the media being threatened or loosing their jobs for publicising it, then hell yes there's a conspiracy.
Originally posted by Leveller
Just so you know. Some washing up liquids, soaps and and many other non-edible products contain animal fat - in fact you'd probably be suprised at
the number of things that we don't eat that do. There are also numerous ways that products may be cross contaminated with non Kosher elements. You
wouldn't expect an Orthodox Jew to wash his dinner plate with pork fat would you?
Are you aware of every single ingredient that goes into everything? If you did have to buy products that had to be free of certain ingredients,
wouldn't you be thankful for an easily recognisable symbol that informs you that the product is safe for you? Or are the people who inform us about
nut allergies in on the conspiracy too? Consumers are notoriously ignorant of the contents of most products that they buy and these labels merely
serve to point them in the right direction.
And let's not even mention the fact that some companies apply the Kosher label to their products, even if they are not needed, as this enables them
to hit a larger customer base and make more money. They aren't forced to do this, they aren't part of a Jewish conspiracy - they just see it as good
business sense.
Just so you know, your talking about 3% of the population of this country. The 3% fo this country that owns the federal reserve system, the major
media outlets, and apparently has enough political clout due to their influences to impose their religous beliefs on the food companies which feed the
other 97% of this country. I would think that if most consumers knew that they were paying higher food costs because 3% of the people, most of which
don't even keep kosher by the way, were charging these fees, there would be a ruckus. There needs to be a ruckus, I don't believe in Talmudic
traditions, I don't believe in Hebrew traditions, in fact most americans don't, I do howevere believe in the US Constitution, which clearly states
that this is an illegal violation of the seperation of church and state. I do believe in truth in advertising as required by the Rule of Law, which
Kosher is clearly violating. I believe that most consumers are completely in the dark about Kosher certification, if they knew, I hardly think they
would take it idly.
Rant-
Yet another mason on this thread, offers up apologist rhetoric. What a suprise. To keep light for yourselves, and keep others in darkness. Sickening.
Think about that for a minute. Once upon a time freemasonry was a noble institution, a truth. No longer, now it is a tool. Freemasonry is the arm and
hammer of zionism, I hate to say it, and I know you hate to hear it said, but you and all your ma ha bologna touting, acacia gnawing friends are on
the take, and this is a part of it.
Ever wonder where the shriners get their millions for their charities? Giving BACK to the community, well, wake up to a whole new realization here.
Again I ask, whom does the 'kosher' grail serve?
I have seen the light, and I didn't need a gavel to get there. I didn't need to pull favors or grant accord. There are no secrets, my masonic
friend, only the insidious practice of secrecy. Build your temple, but leave my damned grocery bill out of it.
