Hey Hard-Core Christian Right Conservatives! Here's How Backwards You Really Are!!!

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Rubic0n

 

The entire op is a false equivocation between two countries with different populations one having 16 million compared to this one that has over 330 million.

So those so called "statistics" are meaningless.

edit on 9-12-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

While focusing on "Hard-core conservative Christian right-wingers" as if that were the only determining factor. Then trying to appear scientific and empirical while holding on to an obvious bias. It is comical really.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Rubic0n

 

The entire op is a false equivocation between two countries with different populations one having 16 million compared to this one that has over 330 million.

So those so called "statistics" are meaningless.

edit on 9-12-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

If that is quite the simplistic reasoning there. The number of subjects used and the differentiation shown is more then enough to raise the point and certainly not small enough to dismiss and most certainly there has been no 1:1 comparison between 330 million and 16 million people if that is what you are implying.

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by 1littlewolf


Also a paedophile ring which constitutes only 13 people in the Netherlands (and 8 in the US) really doesn’t prove anything at all.

I hear ya.

But the word PRIMARILY has to say something.

According to the State Department's 2011 report on trafficking in persons, "the Netherlands is primarily a source, destination, and transit country for men, women, and children subjected to sex trafficking."

I'm a little suspicious of the wording here - not enough info. I have no doubt these activities are probably funnelled through Amsterdam as like I mentioned in a prior post the fact it is so liberal it attracts a of questionables. But as for native ‘Amsterdamians’ actually being the source I highly doubt. More likely Amsterdam is Eastern European's human trafficking gateway to the West.

My only gripe in all this is OP's ridiculous way of saying this is a Hard-Core Christian Right Conservative problem.

Unwanted children is Everyone's problem. STD's is Everyone's problem.

Could not agree more

Teen Pregnancies is at a 40 year low, in America!

Why wasn't this added to Ops facts? It doesn't fit the agenda, it seems.....

Teen pregnancy rate in 2008 was 67.8 pregnancies per 1,000 women aged 15-19 (equal to about 733,000
pregnancies in 7% of US teens).

This is a 43% drop from the peak in 1990, when the rate was 116.9 per 1,000.

The birth rate fell by 35% from 61.8 births per 1,000 teens in 1991 to 40.2 in 2008.

The abortion rate fell by 59% from a peak of 43.5 abortions per 1,000 teens in 1988 to 17.8 in 2008.

US Teen Pregnancies At 40-Year Low

But lets conveniently leave that out of the discussion......

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Good to see things are improving

OP is bag'in on Christen wingers ? And using child sex to do it ? What else is okay in the netherlands ?

Originally posted by 1littlewolf


Good to see things are improving

Agree, 100%

Originally posted by randyvs

OP is bag'in on Christen wingers ? And using child sex to do it ? What else is okay in the netherlands ?

edit on 9-12-2012 by randyvs because: (no reason given)

This article is skewed.

If anything it shows the Dutch Minister is a realist and is not prepared to sink money into something that is impossible to police for the sake of a few votes.



Headline

Dutch authorities clear the way for more kiddie porn

Reality

Given the amount of pornographic material on the internet, it would be practically impossible to do so, said the minister. This is especially the case when the pornographic material comes from abroad

You seriously think with all the porn films that reach the States the actors have firstly had all their ID's checked. Do you seriously want the government to have that much control over the internet...?

reply to post by milominderbinder


The youtube "Study" is from this woman,

Amy Schalet Phd Link

Her paper is very "scientific"

Among other fascinating findings, she has shown that, American parents approach their children’s sexual initiation with fear and loathing; while Dutch parents treat sexuality like any other realm of life that a child must learn to manage.

Link

Sex, Love and...




She is on the board of directors of this organization,

Advocates for Youth


Advocates for Youth's stated goal is

Defunding Abstinence-Only Education

Advocates for Youth works to eliminate funding for ineffective abstinence-only-until-marriage programs directed at our Nation’s youth.

Link



Ah yes,

A politically motivated, agenda.


Gotta love the science.......

reply to post by 1littlewolf


No this thread is skewed. And anyone one likes and /or promotes child sex is skewed.

Originally posted by randyvs

OP is bag'in on Christen wingers ? And using child sex to do it ? What else is okay in the netherlands ?

edit on 9-12-2012 by randyvs because: (no reason given)

No the OP pointed to a report that showed a better result concerning less sex among teens including less pregnancies and abortions. Whether you agree with that or not is something else but...


Lets all act like you and throw in off topic articles about the child pornography industry and bag on the other country in the report posted because we are all so threatened by that and because that is the real topic at hand... /sarcasme

No this thread is skewed. And anyone one likes and /or promotes child sex is skewed.

Way to go on missing the whole point

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by 1littlewolf

 

No this thread is skewed. And anyone one likes and /or promotes child sex is skewed.

Nice brush off without actually addressing any points raised...

But yeah you are right.

Originally posted by dusty1
reply to post by milominderbinder

 

The "Study" is from this woman,

Amy Schalet Phd

Her paper is very "scientific"

Among other fascinating findings, she has shown that, American parents approach their children’s sexual initiation with fear and loathing; while Dutch parents treat sexuality like any other realm of life that a child must learn to manage.

Link

Sex, Love and...




She is on the board of directors of this organization,

Advocates for Youth


Advocates for Youth's stated goal is

Defunding Abstinence-Only Education

Advocates for Youth works to eliminate funding for ineffective abstinence-only-until-marriage programs directed at our Nation’s youth.

Ah yes,

A politically motivated, agenda.


Gotta love the science.......

It is not politically motivated , it is a morally motivated agenda since " abstinence-only-until-marriage programs" produce undesired results, the very results it is supposed to prevent in its theory.

Originally posted by Rubic0n
No the OP pointed to a report that showed a better result concerning less sex among teens including less pregnancies and abortions. Whether you agree with that or not is something else but...

If you want to play that game then call it like it is. The OP used the study to denigate and disparage a whole group using the widest brush possible to paint all "Hard-Core Christian Right Conservatives" (seriously, he missed racist in there and we would be set for the whole group right?) to say how "backwards" they are. There is no contrary evidence other than this nation's statistics. Statistics which cannot be equally compared based on the OP's assertions.

Instead of a real discussion on teen pregnancy and sex, it is a thread set up to pit one group over the next with little evidence to support it other than the OPs self-view of the situation.

reply to post by ownbestenemy




And there you have it folks.

/Close Thread.

reply to post by Rubic0n


We all and both know what the point was. Deflect as you will it's plain for all to see. But hey if you think you can pull it off ? Have at it !

It is not politically motivated , it is a morally motivated agenda since " abstinence-only-until-marriage programs" produce undesired results, the very results it is supposed to prevent in its theory.

reply to post by Rubic0n


Yeah right.

My wife and I of 20 yrs would disagree.....

Originally posted by ownbestenemy

Originally posted by Rubic0n
No the OP pointed to a report that showed a better result concerning less sex among teens including less pregnancies and abortions. Whether you agree with that or not is something else but...

If you want to play that game then call it like it is. The OP used the study to denigate and disparage a whole group using the widest brush possible to paint all "Hard-Core Christian Right Conservatives" (seriously, he missed racist in there and we would be set for the whole group right?) to say how "backwards" they are. There is no contrary evidence other than this nation's statistics. Statistics which cannot be equally compared based on the OP's assertions.

Instead of a real discussion on teen pregnancy and sex, it is a thread set up to pit one group over the next with little evidence to support it other than the OPs self-view of the situation.

Thank you for proving my point.


The only thing you seem to find important is for one not the very core of the issue raised here. You seem to rather talk about religion and ethnicity which was a factor in the argument but not the argument then the teen sex problem and improvements presented.

Originally posted by dusty1

It is not politically motivated , it is a morally motivated agenda since " abstinence-only-until-marriage programs" produce undesired results, the very results it is supposed to prevent in its theory.

reply to post by Rubic0n

 

Yeah right.

My wife and I of 20 yrs would disagree.....

I suppose you think that you and your wife are enough statistical representation. A bit arrogant but sure, if it makes you feel better..


www.denverpost.com...

But we still have the highest teen pregnancy rate of any developed country, and one in two sexually active youth contracts a common STD by age 25, says the Centers for Disease Control & Prevention. Read more: Abstinence vs. sex education - The Denver Post www.denverpost.com... Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: www.denverpost.com...

The plan, to be finalized this summer and formally launched in October, stresses the need for comprehensive education in alignment with state law. Yet, abstinence-only programs are still prevalent in Colorado, after the Denver School Board's 2010 end-run around former Gov. Bill Ritter to apply for $3.2 million in federal funding for abstinence-only programs. As a result, Colorado has many abstinence-only programs using fear and shame-based tactics to "promote an ultra-conservative ideology," said a 2010 review by the Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States and the Healthy Colorado Youth Alliance. Confusing matters further, providers are constantly re-framing their messages to appear consistent with state statutes. Read more: Abstinence vs. sex education - The Denver Post www.denverpost.com... Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: www.denverpost.com...

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Rubic0n

 

We all and both know what the point was. Deflect as you will it's plain for all to see. But hey if you think you can pull it off ? Have at it !

What was i deflecting exactly ?

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Rubic0n

 

We all and both know what the point was. Deflect as you will it's plain for all to see. But hey if you think you can pull it off ? Have at it !

Your 'point' was to try and insinuate that the Dutch government actually supports paedophilia, making your initial post the most skewed thing of them all.

Originally posted by Rubic0n

Originally posted by ownbestenemy

Originally posted by Rubic0n
No the OP pointed to a report that showed a better result concerning less sex among teens including less pregnancies and abortions. Whether you agree with that or not is something else but...

If you want to play that game then call it like it is. The OP used the study to denigate and disparage a whole group using the widest brush possible to paint all "Hard-Core Christian Right Conservatives" (seriously, he missed racist in there and we would be set for the whole group right?) to say how "backwards" they are. There is no contrary evidence other than this nation's statistics. Statistics which cannot be equally compared based on the OP's assertions.

Instead of a real discussion on teen pregnancy and sex, it is a thread set up to pit one group over the next with little evidence to support it other than the OPs self-view of the situation.

Thank you for proving my point.


The only thing you seem to find important is for one not the very core of the issue raised here. You seem to rather talk about religion and ethnicity which was a factor in the argument but not the argument then the teen sex problem and improvements presented.

Seriously, did you actually read the OP? Religion was the ONLY factor presented in the argument- basically how it was so funny how backwards that particular group was. Noone is arguing that there is a teen pregnancy and abortion problem in the US that in fact does eclipse the problem in the Netherlands. The point of contention is that religion is the big factor here, when that simply is not true.