Hey Hard-Core Christian Right Conservatives! Here's How Backwards You Really Are!!!

You gotta love this data. It's HILARIOUS!!

Background:
In the Netherlands the attitudes towards teen sex are much, much, more casual. It's just not a big deal. In fact 2/3 of Dutch parents permit their high school aged sons and daughters to spend the night at one or the others house, sleep in the same bed, and fornicate like rabbits if that's what they want to do. Moreover, the government not only teaches contraception in their Sex Ed classes...but the government actually gives them as much free contraception and as many publicly funded abortions as these teenagers ask for. Here are their teen pregnancy and abortions.

-Teen Pregnancy : 7.7 out of 1,000.
-Teen Abortion: 3.9 out of 1,000.

Conversely, the state of Mississippi here in the good ol' USA teaches abstinence in Sex Ed, frequently issues misinformation regarding contraception (much less FREE govt. provided contraception), and it's uncommon for teens to be permitted to get it on at Mom and Dad's house with their full permission (to say the least) and there is only a SINGLE Abortion clinic IN THE ENTIRE STATE. Here's what their numbers look like.

-Teen Pregnancy : 55 out of 1,000.
-Teen Abortion: 30.2 out of 1,000.


Yes...that's right. Teens are 86% LESS likely to get pregnant and 87.1% LESS likely to have an abortion when they live under the liberal permissiveness of European-style socialism governed by Secular Humanists who subsidize abortion and contraception with taxpayer dollars.

Any questions?

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by milominderbinder


I'm guessing you aren't a parent? If you are, I'm speechless.

reply to post by milominderbinder


argumentum ad populum

Christians just want to control people. That's all religion is about; control.

Originally posted by ShotGunRum
Christians just want to control people. That's all religion is about; control.

Religions suggest a certain type of behaviour. You're free to accept the dogma of a specific religion or deny it. Your choice.

Governments create laws and demand a certain type of behaviour. There is not freedom to choose which laws you want to accept or not. With government, you either accept thier "dogma" or get punished.

reply to post by milominderbinder


I am curious as to why you related this data to such a narrow scope of conservative Christians? When interpreting data, one should strive to provide complete statistics as well as checking their bias at the door.

• Between 1988 and 2000, teenage pregnancy rates declined in every state, and between 2000 and 2005, they fell in every state except North Dakota. (State data are not yet available for 2006.)
• In general, states with the largest numbers of teenagers also had the greatest number of teenage pregnancies. California reported the highest number of teenage pregnancies (96,490), followed by Texas, New York, Florida and Illinois (with about 30,000–70,000 each). The smallest numbers of teenage pregnancies were in Vermont, North Dakota, Wyoming, South Dakota and New Hampshire, all of which reported fewer than 1,600 pregnancies among women aged 15–19.
• New Mexico had the highest teenage pregnancy rate (93 per 1,000), followed by Nevada, Arizona, Texas and Mississippi. The lowest rates were in New Hampshire (33), Vermont, Maine, Minnesota and North Dakota
. • In 2005, teenage birthrates were highest in Texas (62 per 1,000), New Mexico, Mississippi, Arkansas and Arizona. The states with the lowest teenage birthrates were New Hampshire (18 per 1,000), Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut and New Jersey.
• Teenage abortion rates were highest in New York (41 per 1,000), New Jersey, Nevada, Delaware and Connecticut.
• By contrast, teenagers in South Dakota (6 per 1,000), Utah, Kentucky, Nebraska and North Dakota all had abortion rates of eight or fewer per 1,000 women aged 15–19
. • More than half of teenage pregnancies ended in abortion in New Jersey, New York and Connecticut.
• In five states, 15% or fewer teenage pregnancies ended in abortion: Kentucky, Arkansas, South Dakota, Oklahoma and Utah.

Seems to me there are quite a few determining factors that you overlooked- race, income level,education level, population, etc.

For example, teenage abortion rates were highest in NY, NJ,Conn., Nevada, and Del. These states are typically Liberal and Democrat leaning.

So, in conclusion, your thesis doesn't hold water and appears as an attempt to bash conservative Christians using incomplete data.

Originally posted by lambs to lions
reply to post by milominderbinder

 

I'm guessing you aren't a parent? If you are, I'm speechless.

So the majority of parents in the Netherlands have you speechless? Why? Because they don't lie to their children and attach negative stigmas to perfectly normal, human activities?

This type of data is true for any substance/activity/whatever that people are sheltered from--the more you tell someone not to do something, the more they are going to want to do it. This is why the drug war has been a failure, and is why abstinence-only sex education will continue to produce these disgusting teen pregnancy and abortion rates.

...but we should continue to base our society on 2000+ year-old stories.............

reply to post by milominderbinder


I hate to be the one to break it to you, but it's not just "Hard-Core Christian Right Conservatives" who don't allow their teenaged children to "shack up" with their boyfriends/girlfriends- especially in their own house!

I know many people of all political leanings and all belief/non-belief systems and NONE of them allow their kids to have sex in their homes. Insinuating that it's a "Right Wing Christian" thing only is ridiculous!

reply to post by ShotGunRum


Perhaps, but I don't need religion to tell me that promoting teenage sex is piss poor parenting. It is irresponsible and disgusting...and I don't care what a YouTube video says about the Netherlands and their teenage sex culture.

Originally posted by lambs to lions
reply to post by ShotGunRum

 

Perhaps, but I don't need religion to tell me that promoting teenage sex is piss poor parenting. It is irresponsible and disgusting...and I don't care what a YouTube video says about the Netherlands and their teenage sex culture.

Promoting and understanding are two different things. I doubt they're (the parents) encouraging it, but at least they are wise enough to not chastise it.

reply to post by anon29


Yeah, because 2000 yr old religion is what keeps responsible parents from supporting their teenage child's sex life...I hope you caught my sarcasm. And to answer your question, yes, if the data is correct...these parents regardless of nationality, do in fact leave me speechless.

Originally posted by anon29

So the majority of parents in the Netherlands have you speechless? Why? Because they don't lie to their children and attach negative stigmas to perfectly normal, human activities?

So....

You give the Netherlands as a prime example of openness?



Don't worry, America has its Dutch influences. You have nothing to fear. Especially the "Hardcore" Christians Conservatives, you seem to demonize.


Heres some "teen love" for you, minus the Abortions. I know you will love it.



I will say this. Vatican City has the lowest age of Consent, at 12.

Thats got to beat the Netherlands, right?

Originally posted by lambs to lions
reply to post by milominderbinder

 

I'm guessing you aren't a parent? If you are, I'm speechless.

Yes...I am a parent.

...and the numbers don't lie. Turns out Prohibition (abstinence) continues to be a failed policy which only fools support. Responsible people FIRST accept reality...then deal with that reality in a healthy, positive, manner.

If you think abortion and teen pregnancy are generally bad things...you ought to reconsider your stance on how you attempt to prevent such things.

Originally posted by dusty1
reply to post by milominderbinder

 

argumentum ad populum

edit on 8-12-2012 by dusty1 because: (no reason given)

Ummmm....look up argumentum ad populum and get back to me when you understand it.

"Belief" doesn't come into the equation here. This is fact and raw data.

Ah yes, the collegiate and scholarly Youtube, many facts can be found there.
Population of Mississippi 2011 (fact) 2,978,512
www.statereports.us...

Population of Netherlands 2011(fact) 16.70 million
data.worldbank.org...

Here is some more "factual info from youtube"
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Originally posted by ShotGunRum
Christians just want to control people. That's all religion is about; control.

I agree 100%.

reply to post by anon29


Refusing to set expectations of your children is paramount to condoning. Promoting may be a strong word. I know that I can't force my kids to do anything, but I can teach, prepare, lead, encourage, and demand respect. None of this involves allowing them to sleep over and have sex with their girlfriend/boyfriend.

Originally posted by lambs to lions
reply to post by anon29

 

Yeah, because 2000 yr old religion is what keeps responsible parents from supporting their teenage child's sex life...I hope you caught my sarcasm. And to answer your question, yes, if the data is correct...these parents regardless of nationality, do in fact leave me speechless.

"Supporting," once again, isn't the word I would use as I don't believe it accurately reflects the reality of the situation. However, this, like so many other issues here on ATS is probably irreconcilable. ...as petty as the "issue" might be.

The numbers speak for themselves. I'll let them do the arguing.

reply to post by anon29


Sure, I educate my kids on safety, protection, and responsibility. Again, it is my belief that it is counterproductive to throw my hands in the air and say, "I can't stop you, might as well give you permission to bang your girlfriend...while your at it, slap your mother on the way out the door."

you're comparing america, the most ****ed up place on earth, to the rest of the normal human beings that reside on the planet.

remember all those t.v. shows that had a least one episode of a teenager getting pregnant, and the parents would tell her that her life is ruined, her future destroyed etc. and abortion was the only solution to happiness and success.

nice message. i think satan himself wrote that script and gave himself best original screenplay.

that was the message: get pregnant, life ruined, abortion solution.

not have baby, grandparents help raise kid, daughter works hard to go to university, gets good job to support herself and her baby independently, raises daughter and daughter cries when she see's daughter graduate university. roll credits.

love, family, compassion, helping each other out, overcoming lifes detours, are the marks of a Christian, not abortion clinics.