America Has Passed the Rubicon, Welcome to the USSA and Eventually, Collapse., page 7

posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 11:41 PM

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Why is it everyone jumps on communism as an ultimate bad form of government right off the bat. All systems can be corrupt, and I noticed something a little funny here.. Why does the OP mention Kruschev? Russia isn't communist anymore....

Jobeycool

posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 11:43 PM

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We are warning about the debt idiots.Bush and Obama both made the debt far far to much.Stop being onesided morons with the party lines.Both parties did this to the U.S. as well.Both parties have become zombie like. To fix this much debt the U.S. has become socialist and communistic to fix this crap and it has made the country divided even worse and more dependant on government.

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DrEugeneFixer

posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 11:44 PM

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Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer
the Khrushchev Quote is bogus.

urbanlegends.about.com...

OP needs a reality check.

We're not creeping towards communism.

the only thing your link provides Is 3 different accounts that he said the quote and the date is wrong. The author then jumped to the conclusion that he “might” have never said it.

Dis info check

There is no evidence that he ever said it - none at all, just a bunch of right wing demagogues repeating bull# they heard from other rightwing demagogues. It's a bull# quote deliberately fabricated by right wing hacks to fool people like you. They have an easy job, unfortunately.

Shaiker

posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by kerazeesicko
Drama Queens

For real...get over it. You have been spreading the same ol' BS for four years now and yet nothing has come ture.

You have all predicted Obama would be the downfall of America and said after his first term was up..it would be a complete disaster. All lies.

All you old people need to get out of the past and move forward, your time has come and gone...let the youth decide their future.

Times are different..you need to deal with it.

Times are no different.

Repubs and Dems are still guaranteed they will get voted in by playing the endless loop of blame.

Racism is still blatant and in your face.. Example if Obama was white its no way in hell he would have gotten elected the first time.

Social programs have been around since whomever started income tax to fund the lift of the poor.

The only difference today is the stupidity of american voter falling for the same BS on a different day and our striving to be fair and lowering the status quo so the unqualified can be president.

Jobeycool

posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 11:47 PM

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Why do you morons who believe in government power so much not even care that Bush and Obama said they avoided the 2nd great depression with their bailouts?

That alone should be a sign they knew it would have been major major bad but it has not been fixed and will only get worse debt.

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votan

posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 11:52 PM

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Romney would have favored the rich at expense of the many which was what the USSR was about. He doesn't need to make government bigger to do so all he had to do is give more breaks to the rich. which is what he was all about.

defcon5

posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 11:54 PM

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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I was raised, most likely the same way you were, to fear the Soviets and Communists.
Then I grew up, and actually met some folks who came from over there.
One had to escape and hated it.
The other was sent here, and loved it there even more then here.

First off, the Soviet Union was not really “Communist” in any way shape or form. Secondly, all the propaganda that we were fed about over there really related to two issues, neither of which had anything to do with either socialism or communism. What they really related to was the perceived poverty levels, and the police state tactics used by the USSR.

In relation to those, I have been told by folks who actually lived there, that it was greatly exaggerated by our government as part of their anti-communist propaganda. Over there, you were educated, then given a job. You do well at that job and you move up the ladder, you do bad and you get fired. If you get fired from three jobs, you better have family to fall back on because your SOL. If you wanted to have some of the nicer things in life, you could work hard and earn them, or you could work more then one job if you desired, just like over here.

Now its true that some things were harder to get over there. That however makes perfect sense when you think about it. What type of system attracts the greed ridden corporations and banks? Would they want to do business in a society where they had to fairly share their profits, and treat their employees fairly, or where they could maximize lining their own greedy pockets? Of course greed always wins out, and so they came to where all the rules were in favor of them keeping most of the profit generated by their employees hard work to themselves. So many of the nice things that the wealth and manufacturing that those banks and corporations provided were unavailable to them.

As far as the Police State tactics are concerned, you have just as much to fear over here ATM with the new Real ID's, Patriot Act, torture, and such as they ever did over there. Police States can exist under ANY form of government, as we are learning now. We always considered that it would never happen in a Democracy as no one would allow it to be voted in, but what folks are waking up too is that this is no more a “real” democracy, then Russia was a “real” communism. The US is a Capitalist Oligarchical Republic. All that it took to scare folks into accepting a police state was one attack by radicals on US soil.

Anyway...
I've said it on here a thousand times before, but a true communism only exists where a community has to put the community itself first for survival (such as a tribe), or in a place where a “higher calling” overrides peoples tendency for greed (such as a religious commune).

Christ would have been considered a communist by today’s standards.
The society show in Star trek is actually communist.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

Jobeycool

posted on Nov, 9 2012 @ 11:58 PM

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Unreal how people don't understand the Feds Quantitative Easing is the only reason we stay afloat.Like another thread is here says,it is cheap money and fake prop up of the economy.The debt is impossible to really pay off anyways.Addiction to government will just keep getting worse and worse.Which means the debt will get worse and worse.

timetothink

posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 12:02 AM

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BECAUSE we have a constitution that says defense IS the responsibility of the government but healthcare is NOT.
welfare is NOT. Education is NOT. Most of the crap the government does is NOT their purpose.
Our constitution has been ignored for years and years, and some of us are sick of it and we have a right to be.

It should all fall on the states, with the voters deciding. Study history if you are still confused.

Vendetta1776

posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 12:02 AM

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timetothink

posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 12:04 AM

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kerazeesicko

posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 12:38 AM

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roblot

posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by camaro68ss
reply to post by Golf66

thanks golf for the help. Im 25, Youngster, and still have alot to learn with spelling, we are always learning.

I find for most the time people attack me on my spelling when I hit a nerve and they can’t defend their position with a logical answer.

I became a critical thinker impart because I had to learn a lot on my own in an early age because of being deaf. I also find I was not indoctrinated by the school system because I could not hear the teacher anyways. hahah

Dude, forget what people say. You are doing absolutely fine. If you can articulate exactly what you want to convey, then that's all that matters. Anyway, it's the internet where small typos don't matter, and anybody who points them out during a debate/conversation lacks self-confidence, is incompetent and should piss off.

More power to you, mate

Hefficide

posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 12:59 AM

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Alright folks... I know it's tempting to follow sometimes. But let's keep it on topic.

~Heff

stirling

posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 01:11 AM

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This country is not creeping towards communism, its running pell mell into apocalism!

DENBY

posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 01:47 AM

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Long story short.

Place - NYC
Time - Mid 1980s

I was chatting with a European Businessman.

He told me his company grew so large it was easier for them to open their own bank.
His company's daily financial transactions are more than the amount of money that actually exists in the world.
It is all Monopoly Money.
It is all on paper.
Run out? Print more.
None of it is real.

IE: The world is one big Board-Game & most of us live on Baltic Avenue.

BeneathBaseStupidity

posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 02:17 AM

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Originally posted by camaro68ss
I’ve been distort on how the elections turned out

Indeed you have.

ThirdEyeofHorus

posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 02:50 AM

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Originally posted by beezzer
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I'm not waving the white flag.

We can't change policy unless we change our culture.

We can't change our culture unless we change our outlook.

We can't change our outlook unless we change ourselves.

Time for a more radical approach, time for some real change, time to get involved.

I agree with you Beez. The opposition wants us to stop trying and just go with the program. Not me, no way. But I've been hearing people on Fox news and elsewhere saying it's all over and nothing we can do. I don't believe that. I believe now more than ever we have to educate people about what is going on.

I know a lot of people here don't like me but I do not care because I am going to say things people don't like because it's sort of like a homeopathic remedy.

ThirdEyeofHorus

posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 02:52 AM

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Originally posted by Hijinx
reply to post by camaro68ss

Why is it everyone jumps on communism as an ultimate bad form of government right off the bat. All systems can be corrupt, and I noticed something a little funny here.. Why does the OP mention Kruschev? Russia isn't communist anymore....

Because communism failed in Russia and somehow a bunch of commie leftover radicals think they can still make it work here.

This POTUS has many radical communists around him. They have been named already. You know who they are.

Jarrett, Axelrod , Ayers, Van Jones, Anita Dunn.

Then there are the Union bosses like Trumka. The Unions were an early tool for communists to get the blue collar Proletariat riled up and working for their cause.
There are plenty of communists still around.

IF they are not communist then they are socialist. Try somewhere around 70 members of Congress also members of Democratic Socialists of America.

They have been underground for some time and they came out of the woodwork like cockroaches the minute BO was elected in 08. I am almost certain it was a coup takeover of govt with a concerted effort.

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beezzer

posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 02:58 AM

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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by camaro68ss

I'm not waving the white flag.

We can't change policy unless we change our culture.

We can't change our culture unless we change our outlook.

We can't change our outlook unless we change ourselves.

Time for a more radical approach, time for some real change, time to get involved.

I agree with you Beez. The opposition wants us to stop trying and just go with the program. Not me, no way. But I've been hearing people on Fox news and elsewhere saying it's all over and nothing we can do. I don't believe that. I believe now more than ever we have to educate people about what is going on.

I know a lot of people here don't like me but I do not care because I am going to say things people don't like because it's sort of like a homeopathic remedy.

What we are seeing is peoples character exposed. Hannity now flipping on illegal immigration.
Karl Roves meltdown.

People just whining!

I look at it as an oppourtunity to illustrate the economic slavery that the left wants us under and it also provides a perfect oppourtunity to grow OUR coalition!