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posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 03:02 AM
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reply to post by beezzer
 


And don't forget BOehner's sudden desire to come to agreements. Like it was all on cue or something. Very bizarre. I think even Fox is in the fix.




posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 03:03 AM
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Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer
the Khrushchev Quote is bogus.

urbanlegends.about.com...

OP needs a reality check.

We're not creeping towards communism.


So if you can’t find documentation of every word that was ever said to anyone in a legislative library then it was never said? You have a quote from the person who said it to him, and you want to say it never happened. Who is a more reliable witness, the man than heard it from the horse’s mouth or the writer that wants to cast doubt on words said because they are scary considering our current climate in government and economy?

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posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 03:07 AM
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The bit that I find really funny is that the majority of US debt is tied up in your retirement funds. When it all goes belly up all the retirees, all the people approaching retiring and all the people saving for that rainy day will find themselves with a bank balance of 0.00. Or more likely, your policies and portfolios will drop to interest rates approaching zero while hyperinflation guts the balance. As soon as hyper inflation hits, everyone tries to withdraw funds (to switch to gold or property for example). There will not be enough money to go around and printing the stuff forces hyper inflation into melt down inflation.

It is at this point that society crashes. At the end of WW2, Germany went through this. Germany had the Allied occupation forces to keep order. The US will have no one.

It is not the guns that will set the spark for a long period of anarchy, it is the brain that controls the finger that pulls the trigger!

P
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posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 05:39 AM
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reply to post by olaru12
 
So what your saying is.....................if you fart and it stinks you are not creditable? The op stated some good points. We are headed for a rough ride, really has nothing to do with who is in office and grammar and spelling Oh and if you use spell check does that make you a dummy?.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 06:04 AM
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Originally posted by HappyBunny
You know what? America has spoken and you lost.

GET OVER IT.
Enough of the inflammatory comments and fearmongering. Now is the time to heal, not tear this country apart any more than you already have.

If you're so unhappy, leave and start your own country. Nobody's stopping you, and I will personally help you pack and drive you to the airport, free of charge.


Ok well, you can't just leave and start your own country in the year 2012. No other nation would ever let you do that without violent confrontation.

And as for healing, sure, but unfortunately for you, the Obama admin doesn't want to heal. They want revenge, and they want to destroy. There will be no peace and no healing because of people like you.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 07:46 AM
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america must be whores country



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 08:25 AM
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crybaby? thats all you got is name calling? What a imbacile, I dont store canned goods fyi, the metal flakes go to the brain and cause mental deseases in the long term. I have actual resources.

Regardless, when it coems down, people like you will be begging for handouts, go as k the government just like those sandy victims, get in line sucker.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by WiindWalker
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Way to bring up the moral!...............................................

Seriously, we need more positive thinking if we are EVER to get out of this hole!
Ummm.....Kumm Buy Yaa my Lord, Kumm Buy Yaa.....was that positive enough for you? It's funny how all of you who voted to give a turd another chance to smell all want to give us non turd voters a great big ole group hug and click our heels thrice into a new golden dawn.......Well Toto...We're not in Kansas anymore. The great ship Lollipop has set sail into neverland and we cant seem to frolick and flit about the equation anymore. Like Kozmo said, you lallalanders are going to wake up from your drug induced stupor after the crash or fact and wander around looking for munchies...........Fortunately the munchies will be in my and Camaro66's and Neo's and Kozmo's and etc., larder and you lallalanders are going to have to work real especially hard for that snickers bar.........cause daddy needs a new well dug...and I mean yesterday. I am sooooooooo....going to love this. I know, I know, it'll be your first job.........but what the hay, everythings entry-level now......right?


YouSir



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 08:35 AM
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"Atlas Shrugged" is the illuminatti game plan in plain sight ... the wicked are right on target (at the allowance of God almighty of course).

But I have read the Book and see how it ends.

This would be a really good time to get down on your knees, repent, and turn to Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Or take the mark of the beast and burn for eternity...... your choice. Unlike the son of perdition, God does not force anyone to come to him.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 08:44 AM
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You know what? America has spoken and you lost.

Yep... the young people have spoken, guided and taught by our education system. Have you thanked a teacher today?

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posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 08:48 AM
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Their plan is apparently working, if so many people actually believe we can never pay down the debt. Looking at the actual dollar number is foolish - with the same mindset, people in the 1940's, when told a 2012 Chevy sedan would cost $25,000, would wonder why cars would only be made for the rich in the 21st century.

The debt in the mid to late 1940's was FAR WORSE than it is today, near 145% of GDP (versus currently around 100% of GDP) it is the ONLY measure which makes any sense to look at. Yes, the debt has gone up around 60% in Obama's 4 years, and it went up 300+% in Reagan's 8 years, and 80-90% in Bush's 8, but our economy has grown significantly since the 1970's. The debt situation got worse throughout that time, with a dip in debt:GDP during the Clinton admin, but we paid it down significantly relative to GDP from the 1940's through the 1970's, and we can do it again.

Also, Romney and his philosophy and adviaors only believe in less government when it comes to big corporations. The extreme debt-and-spend policies of the Bush years proved to be too much for our economy to handle, as the value of the dollar tanked. It has since recovered some, but until we reduce spending and return to at least Clinton-era tax rates, things will not improve. Further cuts for the richest will lead us more toward Reagan-esque 300+% increases. Do you know where the debt would stand in 8 years if the next 8 paralleled Reagan's 8 years? Damn near $50T. Super high, but again, if the economy quadruples in the time the debt triples, it's not a huge deal. If people earning $50k/yr now are earning $200k in 8 years - guess what? Tax revenues quadruple too.

Our best bet is to reduce Debt:GDP through reduced government spending and a growing economy. Better still is to pay down the actual dollars. A terrible idea would be to reduce Social security and Medicare - things people have PAID INTO - they're not "free money", but getting welfare and military spending under control would be a good start.
edit on 11/10/2012 by dogstar23 because: wrong their/there/they're apparently starting to rub off on me. curse you, internet grammar butchers!



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 08:50 AM
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you obviously don't understand communism or even socialism

it is still legal to own property in this country

lol

hate mongering doom porn



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by pheonix358
The bit that I find really funny is that the majority of US debt is tied up in your retirement funds. When it all goes belly up all the retirees, all the people approaching retiring and all the people saving for that rainy day will find themselves with a bank balance of 0.00. Or more likely, your policies and portfolios will drop to interest rates approaching zero while hyperinflation guts the balance. As soon as hyper inflation hits, everyone tries to withdraw funds (to switch to gold or property for example). There will not be enough money to go around and printing the stuff forces hyper inflation into melt down inflation.

It is at this point that society crashes. At the end of WW2, Germany went through this. Germany had the Allied occupation forces to keep order. The US will have no one.

It is not the guns that will set the spark for a long period of anarchy, it is the brain that controls the finger that pulls the trigger!

P
edit on 10/11/2012 by pheonix358 because: (no reason given)
Ummm....but the trigger isn't on a physical gun...but that hypothetical gun pointed at all of our heads. That trigger is being pulled, has been pulled and will be pulled in a slow motion melodrama encompassed by what you mentioned above and what the OP stated. The seeds of anarchy have been planted and it's not an "I love the smell of gunpowder in the morning" moment, but rather, chaos preceeded by riot preceeded by food and voucher/gas stamp lines. Mob violence will spark the powderkeg in a thousand cities across the land........It was and will be by writ and signature, by politition and policy. Cronyism and back scratching will and have created the cause......the effect is in tortured evolution and few are going to escape what has been wrought in this mad rush twords insolvency.

YouSir



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
you obviously don't understand communism or even socialism

it is still legal to own property in this country


Is it?

Try not paying property taxes and see who really "owns" your property.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 09:21 AM
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Spoken as a person who is taking gov aid hand over fist,
If you had actually had just a 'tiny' bit of foretthought you could have prepared for Sandy and moved to higher ground but you had the great big nanny gov to take care of you and FEMA will build you a new house.
People like you make me sick. You build on Dangerous ground again and again on everyone elses dime.

Get off the board until you can stand on your own two feet you infantile government suck up.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by olaru12

But what you fail to understand is that the debt isn't real money. It's 1 and 0s in a data bank somewhere in Switzerland and can and will be erased with the click of a mouse.

And just who is this so called massive debt owed to anyway? China...how would they collect? How would any entity collect on this debt of cyber money?
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I am tired of reading about how debt can simply be erased with no consequences on ATS. Anyone spouting this has no ability to think coherently.

If debt is "erased" the entity who it is owed to becomes poorer, the repayment of that money is what keeps the economy moving. Over half the US debt is owed to american citizens and companies, if that debt is "erased" you can say goodbye to a large portion of pensions, 401 k, annuities, and 1000's of companies will go bankrupt as large portions of their "cash" is stored in bonds which is this debt you want to erase.

Almost every bank and insurance company would go under, and if you know anything about how the banks are leveraged, all the deposits will be gone with them. If we only stiff the foreign holders of our debt their economy's would deflate and we would still feel the effects because the whole global economy is tied together, and we would lose our ability to run any deficit immediatly. That means an immediate 15 percent of the economy vaporizes over night, but probably more than that as most likely all banks would fail with such an action.

It is just total dangerous nonsense to say debt and deficits don't matter, how much they matter will become clear to even the densest liberal very soon.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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It's much more dangerous to think debt matters to the extent that a global debt jubilee isn't a viable option.



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by luciddream
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Moderate government involvement, Romney, and one of heavy government involvement, Obama.


Isn't that one of the reason there is Democrat and Republicans?

One want to control the country by the rich, and other want government control so the rich don't abuse it.

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Republican run country would slowly give absolute power to the rich, manipulate how things work, soon after people with less money becomes a sub class, sort of like how 2000 yrs ago was... hmm wonder if the religious attitude has to do with anything.


You people are really clueless! The truth of the matter is the 2 party system is being used to divide and conquer!
They both are manipulatively intent on controling the population but in fact the real control is from the Elitist who pay for the elections! Most are blind to the fact of this and when people hear this they will mostly deny this fact!
Neither party cares about the majority but only the minority of those that can contribute to their re-election campaigns! I know you people don't want to believe this but sometimes the truth is hard to believe and every time one of these 2 parties comes in we hear the mocking by the losers of the destruction that will ensue!
The facts are the 2 parties are destroying America, Hiding the real assets of the US corporation, showing our debt but never the profits of the US corporation! Why do i call the US a corporation because they are, they file a comprehensive annual financial report or CAFR for short! The profits for this corporation are hidden from the public and are decietful in the highest respect for this word! In closing I say to you don't just deny this but for once do the research to what in truth is just the tip of the deception and you will see that this rabbit hole has depth of which most not even i can imagine! If for once Americans decided that they would not participate in the elitist corrupt system then we could actually have a chance to really be free!



posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 10:29 AM
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Add it all together....Krushchev's statement of intent; KGB defector's prediction of a black president to follow the agenda; BHOs grooming for the job since he was young (being insulated from his BC, foreign passport, etc by multiple layers of govt) and it points to one thing: a slow motion communist coup from within. Just like the proverbial frog "progressively" boils in the pot and doesnt realize his demise until it is too late. So we are facing a similar fate.....a slow demolition of our country and ultimately it's sovereignty to a global authoritarian government that combines elements of communism with fascim (inter-national socialism with an international corporate/banking cabal at the head). Mitt Romney was right (albeing poorly articulated in private) about the 47%...and we are on the threshold of reaching 50% (the tipping point) where the majority of the population are takers not makers. (In terms of national elections we are already there with the electoral college given the large states like CA and NY but in terms of popular vote MR lost by 1MM votes and 3MM Republicans abstained from voting and another 1MM voted for the Libertarian candidate).

MR was not that much different from BHO in policy but I dont think he was part of a globalist coup. He was not picked as a constitutional lawyer to dismantle the Constitution. In fact, his religion regards the US Constitution as a sacred document (sacred as in divinely inspired). And he was at least eligible to run for office by virtue of his birth in this country (something the BHO had the color of law appearance of but was clouded by the charges not being thoroughly investigated while the fox was guarding the hen house). Now that BHO does not have to face reelection (unless he has the 22nd Amendment changed and wants to be another FDR) then he is free to "finish what (he) started." That means more Executive Orders restricting freedom and laying the groundwork for a future Martial Law take down and more legislation further "infringing" on the 2nd Amendment as well as the 1st and 4th. Finally, I expect that there will be a big push (probably in 2 years as the House is too Republican now) to get Puerto Rico accepted as the 51st state which will almost assuredly be a Democrat state in the Electoral College (I am reluctant to call it "blue" as the color blue should represent the GOP and the color "red" should represent the more leftist Democratic party by political ideology but someone successfully countered that subtle correlation by presumably resorting to alliteration; red for republican and then blue for the dems by default).

BHO has shown some humanity recently (teary eyed before reporters) and may feel like a real president now by virtue of being reelected (instead of the puppet that was installed in the first term) but he still believes in those socialist issues so we'll see. On a tangent we are seeing a lot of President Lincoln lately (new movie coming out) and the press will probably glorify old Abe and then draw parallels to Obama if and when the nation slips into a civil war (something for a future thread especially if he suspends more of the Constitution in a crisis).
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posted on Nov, 10 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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I Really liked that movie,it was way before it's time,and touched on some good subjects.

It's almost more prophetic than funny.

Awesome Flick.

I work at a non-profit,and meet people who are the product of "no natural enemies" all the time.






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