America Has Passed the Rubicon, Welcome to the USSA and Eventually, Collapse.

reply to post by camaro68ss

For the past few days now I’ve been distort on how the elections turned out.

Distraught?

Hard to take you seriously when you cant even use the language properly.

Also, you REALLY believe that the outcome of the election will have the slightest impact on the outcome for America? Dont make me laugh...

ADDITIONALLY... the USSR is gone, I don't think Khrushchev's words hold much merrit, anymore...

Of course, if you were to ask Karl Marx, he might tell you America is on the brink of a Capitalist/Communist revolution. However, thats a different discussion that holds its own merit without lumping in old quotes and post-election frustration.

Yes, Romney lost... surprised? Or just another poor excuse to call Obama a Communist?

I don't know why everyone is so down on the notion of the Chinese being a rival economic and scientific super power with possible intention of dominating America. In every good sci-fi book/movie/cartoon i have ever seen they end up giving us spaceships and giant robots.

Mecha Forever!

i'll see ussa+collapse and raise you revolution+ restoration

Originally posted by SPACEYstranger

Distraught?

just another poor excuse to call Obama a Communist?

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We Won! CPUSA

No need for excuse when its a given!

If the politicians of america really cared about balancing the budget, at least from the two mainstream ones, D and R, then the top republican officials involved in 9-11, nyc and washington dc, would have been arrested and interrogated, impeached and thrown in prison. All we get is sex scandals and racist rhetoric, who is more of each. Come on! 12 years have passed and anyone who has done research into 9-11 knows osama and his al-cia-da were bogey men to start endless wars and for the military-industrial complex to profit massively. People die, a few get rich, no one gets punished. The democrats could hardely care either because apparently they have done their fair share of misconduct in the past and they don't want to get in a pissing contest with the republicans.

50% of the debt, at least, is from the endless wars of the last 15-20 years started by bush sr and finished by bush jr. Dick Cheney must be the most evil cocksucker on this planet, worst than hitler or stalin. Why do people argue about the budget when unbelievable fraud has been perpetrated against the public without their discretion? This whole charade is disgusting.

I promised to NEVER vote for a democrat or republican EVER AGAIN and plan to keep my promise UNTIL I see actual change from either big party. The democrats on the other hand spend $4 trillion on bailouts to big business with no jobs created. The problem is free trade does NOT work, it never has because business prefers to outsource where labor is the cheapest and enough infrastructure exists. All this "america is becoming a socialist nation" is preposterous ignorance. Socialism implies a mixed economy or one planned from top to bottom with limited personal ownership of private property.

Stop falling victim to this manufactured hate and consider voting for a small party next time. There are plenty of choices. Blame the media abomination for causing you to be massively ignorant, confused and full of hate!!

I came across this ...

The fiscal cliff may be overblown
November 9, 2012: 10:32 AM ET

The U.S. isn't headed off the fiscal cliff or any other make-believe economic chasms, at least not anytime soon. Congress set this time bomb in motion and it will disarm it before it explodes.

it's theoretically bad, but it isn't bad enough for Washington to risk making the short term any more economically unpleasant than it has to be. After all, there will be elections for the House in just two short years, so neither side wants to go into that election cycle trying to defend why the government instituted growth killing spending cuts while allowing taxes to shoot up to address some arbitrary debt load that investors continue to fund for next to nothing.

finance.fortune.cnn.com...

I like the sound of that : " it isn't bad enough for Washington to risk making the short term any more economically unpleasant than it has to be". People are adaptable, and money-managers are going to be as keen as they can be to protect their wealth, which is why I don't think a highly publicized ordeal such as the "looming cliff" marquis needs to be the crisis it is. "They were selling plastic cups, now they'll switch it to Florida Oranges; don't worry about your stocks, they'll figure it out"! If you're not in corrupt hands, it may not be that bad a ride. Even if corporate dependancies on specific resource sectors depend on that for sales, and the economic result you need to draw reward for your stock/bond support, an ever-changing portfolio that keeps up with the times, hence a responsible one, should determine where the money is going. I think an adaptable public can make money by recognizing their potential talents in untapped fields of expertise they are presently unaware of, and that able money-managers can figure what motions are selling, and what motions aren't/can't/won't keep up with the times. With principle and expertise they should be able to adequately continue making win-win situations happen, no?

(For today it's money, tomorrow, maybe Bartertown! Who knows).

reply to post by Phoenix


Ummmmmm.....

What?

Originally posted by RedShirt73
I just don't see what the big fuse is about socialism??? In many aspects Canada is a socialist nation. Look at our health care system. Here in Alberta I pay roughly 450.00 bucks a year to Alberta Health and I'm covered for just about everything.

Your system is of inferior quality. Wealthy Canadians (and all nationalities) come to the U.S. for treatment.

reply to post by camaro68ss


How about this. Instead of whining and complaining about things you say that cannot be fixed, why not pick something specific you do not like about this country and do something constructive to make it better. If you are a citizen of the USA, then you have to own responsibility for why things got this way.

It is way too easy to blame and complain once things get out of control, so the only solution is to try and make a difference.

Originally posted by Ghost375

Did you know that you can cut ALL of government but you will still be in defect, crazy. The only last resort is to cut entitlements across the board 80%.

I love how you people go straight to cutting "entitlements" instead of cutting the military.
brainwashed if I ever saw it.
The military makes up the largest percentage of the federal budget. And people PAY INTO medicare and social security their entire lives. They aren't entitlements!

If you think Romney would've done anything different, or had any real plan to actually fix the economy, you are a moron.

If you notice a few sentences before I said you can cut all of government and you will still be in the red

It has always been useful for the elite to cause division and rancor in the plebeians opinions. The elite put on great theater to keep you at each others throats while they dine and drink together off the fruits of your labor.

Having said that, I completely agree with the OP's posts. Happy bunny, you are nothing but a trite apologist for Obama.

This country is lost because so few are objective and unbiased. Everyone is living in their little selfish deluded bubble. The USA was lost last Tuesday. Not because Obama won. The election was a referendum on his last 4 years. The USA proved they are vapid enough to believe that giving this guy 4 more years will improve anything.

Hope is all we have left. And Obama has tainted even that.

Corporate oligarchy is a form of power, governmental or operational, where such power effectively rests with a small, elite group of inside individuals, sometimes from a small group of educational institutions, or influential economic entities or devices, such as banks, commercial entities, lobbyists that act in complicity with, or at the whim of the oligarchy, often with little or no regard for constitutionally protected prerogative. Monopolies are sometimes granted to state-controlled entities, such as the Royal Charter granted to the East India Company, or privileged bargaining rights to unions (labor monopolies) with very partisan political interests. Today's multinational corporations function as corporate oligarchies with influence over democratically elected officials

Robert Michels believed that any political system eventually evolves into an oligarchy. He called this the iron law of oligarchy. According to this school of thought, many modern democracies should be considered as oligarchies. In these systems, actual differences between viable political rivals are small, the oligarchic elite impose strict limits on what constitutes an acceptable and respectable political position, and politicians' careers depend heavily on unelected economic and media elites.

***Athenian techniques to prevent the rise of oligarchy

Especially during the Fourth Century BC, after the restoration of democracy from oligarchical coups, the Athenians used the drawing of lots for selecting government officers in order to counteract what the Athenians acutely saw as a tendency toward oligarchy in government if a professional governing class were allowed to use their skills for their own benefit.[5] They drew lots from large groups of adult volunteers as a selection technique for civil servants performing judicial, executive, and administrative functions (archai, boulē, and hēliastai).[6] They even used lots for very important posts, such as judges and jurors in the political courts (nomothetai), which had the power to overrule the Assembly.

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Unlimited campaign contributions instigated and passed by the republican administration of gb jr and dc in the scusa, has more or less guaranteed big business will continue to get its way regardless if D and R get elected.

All this crap about "america becoming socialist" is a smokescreen and deflection that america is owned from top to bottom by wall street and zionist jews. This is the truth!

There was a third party debate going on and hardely anyone noticed because only cspan and rt ran with it. Very limited contributions guaranteed they would be talking to the wall. Here it is in all its non-glory....



I personally liked jill stein of the green party. CP was ok, but Libertarians are lunatics.

reply to post by camaro68ss
I have many times referred to and posted the 1982 interview by G. Edward Griffin of Norman Dodd which tells one of the most important stories about the Puppet Masters and their plans for the creation of their New World Order.

If you have already watched and listened to this carefully, please share it with others:



Then you should watch this crash course by the John Birch Society - Overview of America




Yes, I have been a JBS Member for most of my life and NO I am not recruiting.

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.

reply to post by camaro68ss


In all this analysis, did you bother to look at what your 'moderate capitalist' would have done?

His deficits would have been worse AND he had Bush's foreign policy advisers.

People I know didn't vote for Romney BECAUSE they love capitalism. So, they voted for the guy who would run lower deficits and have less of a chance of getting us into WW3.

It's an added bonus that we don't have to tell our gay friends that we voted for the guy who wants to use government force to suppress their civil rights.

(I voted libertarian but if I had to, I would have voted for Obama due to my strong beliefs in capitalism and civil rights-- not rhetoric )


I am, however pretty scared of the debt. It'd be one thing if it was just our country -- who gives a #, there's a million other free(er) countries out there. The scary thing is that the debt is racking up like that in every 1st world country. When that happens in multiple countries at the same time.. it's a recipe for large-scale wars.

The thing is, Obama is better on all fronts than Romney. He's going to run lower deficits than Romney. He's going to start less wars than Romney. Also, people (wrongfully) perceive Obama to be a socialist and Romney to be a capitalist. Do you want capitalism to be the ideology blamed when all this comes crashing down?

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by camaro68ss

 

You have put it so beautifully and I have been talking about this very thing for many months now.
NO, people don't know what they are voting for.

And they wont see the ramifications of their folly until it is too late.

I have lost all hope, future generation will suffer, and it will take decades for this to turn around if ever.

I doubt I will live to see it.

now is prep and get ready for what I call the 2nd dark ages

I said the exact thing to my children yesterday

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I find it amazing that so many feel that the President was elected into office by idiots. The majority have spoken we are not idiots. Do you really think the majority are all wrong but you are right ?

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And wealthy americans go to doctors in South America because its cheaper.

Originally posted by sprtpilot

Originally posted by RedShirt73
I just don't see what the big fuse is about socialism??? In many aspects Canada is a socialist nation. Look at our health care system. Here in Alberta I pay roughly 450.00 bucks a year to Alberta Health and I'm covered for just about everything.

Your system is of inferior quality. Wealthy Canadians (and all nationalities) come to the U.S. for treatment.

Actually , it is just your information that is Faulty.
The Canadian Health Care System is one of the Best Globally.
It is true, Wealthy Canadians will seek the Top Doctors, they can afford to see the Worlds Best.
But Healthcare, is much like anything, Most Ailments and Sicknesses can be Cured with Proper Procedure, Medicine, and Follow Up Care.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by luciddream
reply to post by camaro68ss

 

Moderate government involvement, Romney, and one of heavy government involvement, Obama.

Isn't that one of the reason there is Democrat and Republicans?

One want to control the country by the rich, and other want government control so the rich don't abuse it.

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Republican run country would slowly give absolute power to the rich, manipulate how things work, soon after people with less money becomes a sub class, sort of like how 2000 yrs ago was... hmm wonder if the religious attitude has to do with anything.

thats why we need to get away from the two party system. The republican party doesn’t represent me. We need a constitutional party, this party would better suit my believes.

but thats water under the bridge. I think after the SHTF and we start to rebuild, Ill be starting the constitutonal party.

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It has existed for a long time!

Why did you choose romney as "the lesser evil" when you could have choosen CP? If they were not on the ballot where you were voting, then you could have written in the name of candidates. People don't do the research and the media does not help them either.

Yes america is screwed but not because of the democrats.

I'm reading the constitution party's platform right now and see several things that I don't like.

They believe in mercantilism? That's outdated and economically destructive.

They want to enact a tariff on imported goods to balance the trade deficit? This was never even a good theory; it's always been outdated and is also very destructive.

I stopped reading their platform there. These agendas would start a trade war and make everyone in the US a lot poorer.

What are their stances on things like civil rights?