America Has Passed the Rubicon, Welcome to the USSA and Eventually, Collapse.

reply to post by MyHappyDogShiner

America doesn't have to collapse,it just has to change from kiddie food to adult food.

Ya see,after you grow up,you can't eat anything you please cuz it'll make you fat,see?

Things cannot grow forever,so the system must be tweaked.

Of course some won't like it,people always resist change.

But in the end,change is all there is.

Evolve or Die.

reply to post by syrinx high priest

The elimination of private property is about the only thing that we have not instituted from the Communist Manifesto. Property rights are being severely restricted tho thru regulation (expect more with the roll out of Agenda 21 and the green agenda). And with property taxes being so high home owners are de facto renters from the government as it is.

Originally posted by xedocodex

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by xedocodex
reply to post by camaro68ss

 

We heard the exact same thing in 2008.

Looks like the country is still here.

and it is worse off, and deeper in debt

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The economy is improving, only hard core extreme Right Wingers deny this. The GOP admits this, they just don't think it has been fast enough.

The debt was going to increase under anyone, you can't cut spending during a recession and you can't raise taxes right at the height of them. However, Obama has decreased the deficit he was handed.

Well I am not a hard-core Right Winger and I think you're completely misinformed. If we go from 10% unemployment to 9.99% employment whist spending 12 trillion dollars on non-jobs, the economy hasn't improved. We're deeper in debt and the dependency culture has increased.

Worse, if most of the money has gone to the unions and the public sector in exchange for votes.

It's like those idiots who go out and buy lots of expensive clothes they can't afford on their credit cards. They might look like they are better off, but they're not.

Did you know that you can cut ALL of government but you will still be in defect, crazy. The only last resort is to cut entitlements across the board 80%.

I love how you people go straight to cutting "entitlements" instead of cutting the military.
brainwashed if I ever saw it.
The military makes up the largest percentage of the federal budget. And people PAY INTO medicare and social security their entire lives. They aren't entitlements!

If you think Romney would've done anything different, or had any real plan to actually fix the economy, you are a moron.

Originally posted by CosmicCitizenThe elimination of private property is about the only thing that we have not instituted from the Communist Manifesto.

The 1% won't let that happen because they have worked too hard to swindle their way up the chain to have 25 mansions per family. When the 1% start selling them at once you know that private property is going to be siezed by the government.

reply to post by Golf66


Excellent post. Thanks for the information.
Some people are just poor spellers and some are poor typist and some are either poor proof readers or are too lazy to proof their work.

Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by luciddream
reply to post by camaro68ss

 

Moderate government involvement, Romney, and one of heavy government involvement, Obama.

Isn't that one of the reason there is Democrat and Republicans?

One want to control the country by the rich, and other want government control so the rich don't abuse it.

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Republican run country would slowly give absolute power to the rich, manipulate how things work, soon after people with less money becomes a sub class, sort of like how 2000 yrs ago was... hmm wonder if the religious attitude has to do with anything.

thats why we need to get away from the two party system. The republican party doesn’t represent me. We need a constitutional party, this party would better suit my believes.

but thats water under the bridge. I think after the SHTF and we start to rebuild, Ill be starting the constitutonal party.

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It has existed for a long time!



Why did you choose romney as "the lesser evil" when you could have choosen CP? If they were not on the ballot where you were voting, then you could have written in the name of candidates. People don't do the research and the media does not help them either.

Yes america is screwed but not because of the democrats.

reply to post by VforVendettea

That did not work for the ruling class of Russia (royalty prior to the revolution) and now the ruling class of oligarchs and high level bureaucrats have their summer dachas and live a life of privilege. So if it does happen then it wont be sanctioned by those with so much to lose (altho a lot of their wealth is now controlled by legacy trusts and foundations). At least the communist chinese are cracking down on government corruption (but I am not sure how that will fit in with the NWO elite just yet).

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

agree with you Beez. The opposition wants us to stop trying and just go with the program.

Yep sounds familar too remember this:



America has been taken over by the Borg they changed their names.

You can watch CNN,Fox,MSNBC, all of them bicker about the fiscal cliff or the debt or the deficit.They all argue how to fix it.They all sound like kids fighting over a box of crayons.Ron Paul comes on these shows and gives a simple warning about the debt and the economy all ready is bad and the economy went over fiscal cliff all ready happened and they suddenly stop arguing and realize this guy might be right.

reply to post by neo96


Then say this.

I agree, too late to fix! With the election I was hoping to have a few of my Contitutional rights preserved and maybe even some restored but alas.................its going to get worse - what drives me crazy is these people and their supporters cloak their power grabs within "rights" language which is farsicle at best and downright hypocritical in the main, its positively Orwellian - kinda had a bad feeling about Donkeys controlling things such as Patriot Act and its evil spawn Homeland Security because the Donkeys have never seen a government program not wothy of taking advantage of - the sun never sets for them if if congress intended it to.

I well remember the Donkey braying "abuse, abuse" when the Elephant was in office but narry a whimper since as the Donkey learned it could control all it ever dreamed of with unbridled power such as was handed them.

It is thus that I condemn the Bush administrations failure to remove these types of abusive powers now so skillfully wielded in the party of do as I say, not as I do.

Now in the unavoidable collapse the government will have much more excuse to create havoc and deny life, liberty and freedom making this not only an insufferable economic collapse but one that ensures a societal collapse as well.

To those who just cannot see it coming - I fail to see how exponential math is not convincing with its stark truth in relation to the "G" debt & spending in "C + I + G (x - i) = GDP"

Playing with the numbers is "tax the rich", remove deductions and other non-sense that serves only to reduce "C" and "I" making "G" have to grow even more and increases "i" as price pressurres created by reduced "C" come into play. None of it will work as the numbers box us in and keep a straight and narrow path over the cliff (I believe we're mid-air and just awaiting the hard landing myself) The time for somewhat resonable correction was most likely back at the dot-com crash now the correction itself will lead to collapse as debt was used to keep the train moving down the tracks.

Originally posted by camaro68ss
reply to post by Golf66

 

thanks golf for the help. Im 25, Youngster, and still have alot to learn with spelling, we are always learning.

I find for most the time people attack me on my spelling when I hit a nerve and they can’t defend their position with a logical answer.

I became a critical thinker impart because I had to learn a lot on my own in an early age because of being deaf. I also find I was not indoctrinated by the school system because I could not hear the teacher anyways. hahah

This nation burning to the ground, and some try to make spelling the issue instead of the op.

Talk about priorities out of whack.

I'll be honest, I did not read most of this thread, I read the first 10 replies or so... this is a reply to the OP and I guess everything that followed from it.

I want to say, that what is about to follow is certainly not a popular opinion, but it should be said none-the-less.

1st) Our founding fathers, founded this country because their interests were not being represented. They were wealthy men in a time without capitalism, or at least without the modern understanding of it. They didn't mind paying taxes but they wanted a voice, when that request was refused, they saw no other option other than to rebel. The whole list of freedoms we're now entitled to, kinda just got tacked on to gain the support of the people. So the point is, whenever you say we aren't following in the footsteps of our patriarchs, of course we aren't it, was a different world and their practices are long since dead. So please stop acting like the current conservative motto's are equivalent to our fore-father's, because that is just plain false. This is a topic of it's own which I'd be happy to discuss in greater lengths, but I have more to say.

2nd) Maybe the system we have now isn't so great... I mean, maybe this isn't the way we are suppose to live, so why continue to perpetuate this notion of a fear of Socialism or that Capitalism is the greatest system ever. You know, we as humans along our known historical timeline have gotten "LOTS" of stuff wrong. From our position in the universe and our perspective of it, we've still yet to figure out why everything works the way it does, even with roaring capitalism perpetuating a 'free-nation' there were still millions of starving people around the world, there were still mass murders and other crimes against humanity being committed. So it can be said even when everything was 'going right' it still wasn't the best it could be.

I think that should be the main point that we all think about. Neither political side has gotten the people's or humanity's interests quite right yet, we've got a system that has been manipulated for personal gain time and time again, but hey, that's capitalism right? I don't know about the rest of you, but that doesn't seem like a system that will last long, and it didn't really.

OP you are right, what we have known as our society's 'golden age' is coming to an end. There is nothing that can stop it, having a different president today, would not have stopped it, this has been long coming, and I'd have to say, "the elite want you to place the blame on an individual or with generalizations; but in reality, we are ALL to blame."

Every single one of us has a hand in this outcome, every time you were passive, every time you thought it would work itself out, every time you put your faith in 'one man' to fix the country, every time you believed humans would excel, you were wrong. Everyone of us needs to be proactive, but it should be your choice to participate. Either help humanity at every turn, or get out of the way and accept nothing in return.

Our current views of socialism's ability to destroy the economic infrastructure of a nation, should be passed onto capitalism, it had the same effect, just on a longer time scale. So I believe it is our job to pick up the pieces and hopefully come up with a better answer. Just like you can't mold dried clay, you can't fix a flawed system. Ask any computer programmer if he can fix bad coding, no their answer will always be, just scrap it and start over. Well that's what needs to happen, and inevitably will happen; but there is a difference. If we let it happen, it will be a regression, it we make it happen, if we force the hand, it will be progressive, that's the difference of what really needs to happen in this country, and around the world.

Originally posted by camaro68ss
There is no doubt this election is and will be for the record books. As I believe, this is the moment America descends into Communism, Marxism, depression, and finally collapse.

All of that because of one man!

Aren't you aware that the country is run by the military industrial complex, by the elite, by the NWO and that all presidents are mere messengers for those "truly in power".

If for whatever reason you believe communism is just around the corner it's because TPTB have set it into motion; not because they allowed Obama to be re-elected.....

Originally posted by Ghost375

I love how you people go straight to cutting "entitlements" instead of cutting the military.
brainwashed if I ever saw it.

Which one is authorized by the Constitution and which one is not?

It's a fairly simple question, hopefully you can answer it.

reply to post by camaro68ss

quote in reference: …"I dont really care who won, I belive Obama is a good guy and truly believes what he believes. But his believes are wrong. ..”

Obama team’s strategy is what FDR’steam used to get us out of the Big Depression. Don’t forget that.

OP = total BS

America will be fine. Republicans are just a bunch of sore losers. So quit your whining.

You will still be able to play golf at your country club. You will just have to pay your fair share of taxes now.

I agree, too late to fix! With the election I was hoping to have a few of my Contitutional rights preserved and maybe even some restored but alas.................its going to get worse - what drives me crazy is these people and their supporters cloak their power grabs within "rights" language which is farsicle at best and downright hypocritical in the main, its positively Orwellian - kinda had a bad feeling about Donkeys controlling things such as Patriot Act and its evil spawn Homeland Security because the Donkeys have never seen a government program not wothy of taking advantage of - the sun never sets for them if if congress intended it to.

I well remember the Donkey braying "abuse, abuse" when the Elephant was in office but narry a whimper since as the Donkey learned it could control all it ever dreamed of with unbridled power such as was handed them.

It is thus that I condemn the Bush administrations failure to remove these types of abusive powers now so skillfully wielded in the party of do as I say, not as I do.

Now in the unavoidable collapse the government will have much more excuse to create havoc and deny life, liberty and freedom making this not only an insufferable economic collapse but one that ensures a societal collapse as well.

To those who just cannot see it coming - I fail to see how exponential math is not convincing with its stark truth in relation to the "G" debt & spending in "C + I + G (x - i) = GDP"

Playing with the numbers is "tax the rich", remove deductions and other non-sense that serves only to reduce "C" and "I" making "G" have to grow even more and increases "i" as price pressurres created by reduced "C" come into play. None of it will work as the numbers box us in and keep a straight and narrow path over the cliff (I believe we're mid-air and just awaiting the hard landing myself) The time for somewhat resonable correction was most likely back at the dot-com crash now the correction itself will lead to collapse as debt was used to keep the train moving down the tracks.