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Forcing People to Pay for The Contraception and Abortion of Women is a Right for Women?

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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 11:17 AM
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No, that's not how health insurances used to work... You kept paying your health insurance, even if you dind't go to the doctor, not only to keep your insurance active, but to cover for the costs of when you would get sick...

In the U.S., before Obamacare people were not paying for other people's insurance, unless they wanted to...
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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by riverwild

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by riverwild
If those engaging in that type of activity are not responsible enough to protect themselves,

they should refrain from engaging in it in the first place.


And if those engaging in eating bad foods, or drinking too much alcohol, or smoking cigarettes are not responsible enough to pay for their subsequent health problems out of their own pockets, then they should refrain from those bad habits, right?

How do you know that they don't always protect themselves? Women can get pregnant on the pill, and they can get pregnant if their partner uses a condom.


I believe the thread is about expecting other's to pay for their contraceptives or "habits" as you stated.

The people who eat bad foods, smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol dont expect others to buy them a bottle, pack of cigs or fries.

Back on topic.



But I have to pay for all their health problems as a result of them not being responsible with their own health.



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 11:19 AM
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Second of all I PROVED WITH REAL EVIDENCE that the BS you posted is that, BS, and propaganda from a DICATORSHIP...



No you didn't.

I don't believe all your personal stories. I think your full of BS, and just making things us as you go. Please cite accurate and documented sources and facts that the women of Cuba don't receive birth control. And then please proved context as to why it matters to us, here in the USA.



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by kaylaluv
 


No, that's not how health insurances used to work... You kept paying your health insurance, even if you dind't go to the doctor, not only to keep your insurance active, but to cover for the costs of when you would get sick...

In the U.S., before Obamacare people were not paying for other people's insurance, unless they wanted to...
edit on 26-10-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)


Ok, now you are really showing your ignorance. So, you think that your personal insurance premiums used to be kept in some account in your name, and only used when you got sick?



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
The hypocrisy is full blown and will soon become tyranny.

The left always talks about civil rights, blah blah blah...They then create a mob and crucify anyone who doesn't agree. They are an angry mob and they totally dont understand how they are being played, because they lack basic morals and principals.


Unfortunately I agree with you 100%

And they think it is all them... That these views they created themselves instead of realizing they have been conditioned, brainwashed and indoctrinated into thinking like this so they accept the population control and depopulation scheme that the elites have in mind for EVERYONE...

I am willing to bet that quite a few of them think that by agreeing with the elites they will be exempted from a similar fate that the elites have envisioned for the rest of humanity...



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by kaylaluv
 


No, that's not how health insurances used to work... You kept paying your health insurance, even if you dind't go to the doctor, not only to keep your insurance active, but to cover for the costs of when you would get sick...

In the U.S., before Obamacare people were not paying for other people's insurance, unless they wanted to...
edit on 26-10-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)


I face palmed when I read this.

I am sorry but you have it all wrong. I think you need to do some research because if I explained it to you 1 you wouldn’t believe me and 2 it would take far too long.



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by kaylaluv
 



In the U.S., before Obamacare people were not paying for other people's insurance, unless they wanted to...
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WRONG!


Medicare is a national social insurance program, administered by the U.S. federal government since 1965, that guarantees access to health insurance for Americans ages 65 and older and younger people with disabilities as well as people with end stage renal disease. As a social insurance program, Medicare spreads the financial risk associated with illness across society to protect everyone, and thus has a somewhat different social role from for-profit private insurers, which manage their risk portfolio by adjusting their pricing according to perceived risk.
en.wikipedia.org...(United_States)





posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by smyleegrl
Answer newcovenant's post.


YES MAM... Oh wait... lol

Are you going to arm-wresttle me, and FORCE me into anwsering his dellusional, and out of context pictures?...



So you are anti war and anti capital punishment?
Is that what you are trying to say?

Otherwise.... you've answered nothing. Because you can't.

How do you explain the hypocrisy of fighting to save a zygote while permitting fully formed human children to die of starvation right here in your own country or as victims of collateral damage abroad because YOU DO NOT FIGHT THE IMMORALITY OF WAR?







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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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Try going the other way, knowing full well how many live in poverty without enough for food, and some families no housing and imagine a world, oops, lets go first world nations, becoming third world, where the poor have no equal access, where 10 dollars to them is equivalent of 5000 to anyone else, and understand, what you are wishing for.

Are you wishing for, health care for the rich? Inequality? A huge burdening visible and third world presence of poor and babies in the streets?

Reality check your thoughts.

The only truth is money is slavery. Equality is Progression. Forcing anyone to do anything or work for very corrupt murderous corperations, often at a wage that gives them a choice between rent or food is SLAVERY.

With integrity and true goodness of heart, what do we work for in this world?

A world where all have equal health care. A world without fascist laws or theocracies trying to force women to be virginal products for patriarchal men, and then rub their noses endlessly in it and starve their children if they behave, you know, like humans.

Making a choice between Theocracy and Fascism, or Freedom and Respect for all regardless of the messes that growing up in freedom means.

Having Goodness in your thoughts.

Having Services for all.

And working for the freedom of everyone on this planet from inequality, apartheid, fascism, elitism, slavery, of any kind. Working for what truly counts, has always counted and is actually in the hearts of all when they scrape the distortions and programming and apathy off.

I don't want to walk down the dirty downtrodden streets of your inequality or your disrespect for women.

I want dental, medical, cousneling and all the extra services from massage to physiotherapy, to accupuncture, to education on all levels including doctorate, AND housing, food, energy and sovereignity for all people, like a grass roots venus project with alot better architecture and lots of eco farms, and eco farm condos/townhouses for the elderly, for ALL PEOPLE world wide.

And to even compromise with slavery and inequality between the sexes even once is to become tainted, darkened, lowered frequency, in short TO FALL.

Women and men, in our constitution are instrinsically equalized, their circumstances, which are different.

An example: a man goes to college on a student loan. He has a cap of 80 000 dollars. He can become a rocket scientist if he wants to.

A woman with 3 kids, goes to college on a student loan. On the same cap, she can become a legal secretary if she wants to.

That is not equality. :

I don't share your values.
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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by Grimpachi

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by kaylaluv
 


No, that's not how health insurances used to work... You kept paying your health insurance, even if you dind't go to the doctor, not only to keep your insurance active, but to cover for the costs of when you would get sick...

In the U.S., before Obamacare people were not paying for other people's insurance, unless they wanted to...
edit on 26-10-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)


I face palmed when I read this.

I am sorry but you have it all wrong. I think you need to do some research because if I explained it to you 1 you wouldn’t believe me and 2 it would take far too long.


... and 3 - he probably wouldn't understand it anyway.

What's even funnier, is that before Obamacare, most employers already allowed coverage for things like contraception. He probably had insurance through an employer who allowed insurance coverage for contraception and/or abortion, so his premiums were helping to pay for it, and he didn't even know it.



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 11:40 AM
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This issue is laughable. If we give free contraception, how do we know it will be used? People relying on the government know that when it comes to welfare, food stamps etc, the more children you have the more money you get. And the people not relying on government must obviously make enough money to pay for contraception themselves.

So I guess the solution here is to get poor people working again, and the people who can afford it, to stop having so much sex?




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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by windword

No you didn't.


Yes I did... I provided evidence as to what happens when FOREIGNERS are caught when they try to document what happens in Cuba...

Yet you are so ignorant, and so brainwashed that you want to refute an ACTUAL EVENT, or what Cubans like me have to say about life in the island because it doesn't agree with your IGNORANT view on Cuba...




Originally posted by windword

I don't believe all your personal stories. I think your full of BS, and just making things us as you go.


Of course you don't believe what I have to say... You are another IGNORANT foreigner who wants to claim you know better than Cuban people what happens there...and yes I was born in Cuba and experienced life there...


Originally posted by windword
Please cite accurate and documented sources and facts that the women of Cuba don't receive birth control. And then please proved context as to why it matters to us, here in the USA.


LOL... I have provided SEVERAL times proof as to what happens in Cuba... How about videos on the healthcare conditions at the island?...



Watch this if you want to TRY to educate yourself.

As to in what context is this with the healthcare in the U.S?... Because leftwingers have been claiming that the national healthcare in Cuba is better than the old U.S. healthcare, and that this is the reason for accepting nationalized healthcare, when this is not true...


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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 11:45 AM
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One of the biggest programming and traps in this world, baited with lots of CHEESE for the small percent of worldly, well positioned, healthy (doesnt work if you suddenly lose that) male, often white, (though they're changing this), is to fall for any stripe of politics, to walk by anyone in need, to not believe in full equality and see through all the traps here, because you can't progress cosmically if you don't

Because your soul has to wake up here and work for the true love and equality, or yearn for it if your health and income is jeopardized. Which is equal to the richest corrupt person on earth giving millions each year, a poor person who gives all they can, and only a penny. Their gift is greater than the rich man's.

Wake up.

And work for Love and Goodness and Equality.

And equal health care and dental world wide for all people, FREE.



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 11:46 AM
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That's another fact which the left in general doesn't seem to understand...

For AGES they claimed that educating children about sex from a young age would stop the unwanted pregnancies...

For AGES they claimed that giving free condoms in schools and other areas it would stop unwanted pregnancies...

They have done these things and MORE yet have they stopped the unwanted and teenage pregnancies?...



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posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by LoonyConservative
 


That's another fact which the left in general doesn't seem to understand...

For AGES they claimed that educating children about sex from a young age would stop the unwanted pregnancies...

For AGES they claimed that giving free condoms in schools and other areas it would stop unwanted pregnancies...

They have done these things and MORE yet have they stopped the unwanted and teenage pregnancies?...



edit on 26-10-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)


It is getting better...

www.cdc.gov...



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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MEDICARE is not the same as PRIVATE HEALTHCARE...

Get it on your head...

MEDICARE is not the one being used to force millions of American to pay for abortion and contraceptives... PRIVATE HEALTHCARE is...

My statement was in regards to PRIVATE HEALTHCARE...

Again, you need to learn reading comprehension, among some other people... And English is not even my first, or second language yet my reading comprehension is ten times better than yours...



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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This is your claim, that I am disputing.



I have lived, and experienced life in Cuba and there women are not given any contraceptives.....


This is blatantly untrue. You have not provided any proof to back up this statement.


“You’re not crazy, Elena,” she replied laughing. “It’s true that we Cubanas keep our kids home in the cold weather so they won’t get sick. And a lot of the little ones go to the circulos infantiles (daycare is free and available to all working families in Cuba). But, there really are fewer kids. Women just don’t want to get pregnant now. They’re choosing not to have kids because it’s so hard. They worry about the future their children will have.”

There was so much food for thought in Anita’s response. First I was reminded of the element of choice that she and other Cuban women are able to take for granted. Sex education, reproductive choice, and access to birth control and abortion were big changes brought about by the revolution, led by the Federacion de Mujeres Cubanas (the Federation of Cuban Women or FMC). So Cuban women really can choose to procreate or not, without financial burden and without stigma attached. And, according to Anita, they are.
www.shewrites.com...



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by kaylaluv


It is getting better...


Is it, really?... Did you not read the fact that ABORTION is the highest in the U.S., and since more teenagers are aborting it means they don't carry on with their pregnancies?...

The percentage given in that website is about the DROP IN CHILDREN BORN/ AKA BIRTH RATES...not a drop in women getting pregnant...



Teen Pregnancy in the United States

In 2010, a total of 367,752 infants were born to women aged 15–19 years, for a live birth rate[/szie] of 34.3 per 1,000 women in this age group.1 This is a record low for U.S. teens in this age group, and a drop of 9% from 2009. Birth rates fell 12% for women aged 15–17 years, and 9% for women aged 18–19 years.
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www.cdc.gov...


You should seriously read the links you give before puting your foot in your mouth...



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 12:04 PM
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While pregnant for my first son I was given testing to check the health of my unborn boy...the tests came back showing an extremely high chance of trisomy 17 or trisomy 18...I was given the option for an abortion and ADAMANTLY refused...my son was born at 28 weeks (length of pregnancy is normally 38-40 weeks-for those unaware)...he weighed less than 2 lbs. and had a NICU stay of 4 months, not to mention specialists and extreme procedures while there...He came home on oxygen therapy and required Physical therapy, Occupational therapy and speech therapy for the first year at twice a week...he could not go into a Dr.s office due to susceptability to colds which would have spiraled him backwards in his treatments so a home health nurse was needed weekly to check his stats and growth progress...my point? My husband and I will NEVER even reach the 1.3 million dollar price tag with our insurance payments and our continuing payments...even if we paid until our deaths...now, how many in knowing this would be angry that I made the choice I did? I mean, technically it is YOU other insurance paying people who actually picked up the cost, yes? (and I say THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart) The OP doesn't want to pay for abortion or contraceptives, then DON'T singly do such a thing, in other words, don't use it for that purpose in your OWN family...that is your choice, but healthcare premiums ARE a pool that is paid into and drawn from in times of need...you have no control over what procedures are done and NO say...and if you did, then you are on the side of death panels, No?

Who are YOU to tell me or anyone else what rights we have or don't have in my families medical care? It is equal for all, whether you like it or not...and OP? Exactly how do you feel about rape pregnancies? By your own logic, you would be forcing something on an innocent female that she NEVER asked for... by not allowing a poor female the choice to either abort or even have contraception to stop the pregnancy arising from a rape....what if it were YOUR girlfriend carrying a pregnancy from rape, or are you too special for such a horrendous act to occur towards you or a member of your family?? The choice you condemn, may be the choice you are faced with someday...thus the term "pool"...and BTW? My son is now 9 years old, top of his class, healthy as a horse!!! :-)



posted on Oct, 26 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse


reply to post by windword
 




My statement was in regards to PRIVATE HEALTHCARE...

Again, you need to learn reading comprehension, among some other people... And English is not even my first, or second language yet my reading comprehension is ten times better than yours...




You said:



In the U.S., before Obamacare people were not paying for other people's insurance, unless they wanted to...


You can't even convey your own argument, and you question my reading comprehension skills?


And private insurance has always been a financial pool, your premiums pay for other people's procedures.




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