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Originally posted by onecraftydude
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The reason you are up in arms about this is because you have been talking to other "Pro-Lifers" after church and now you are upset at your government because they are not holding YOUR values as sacred like you do.
Originally posted by onecraftydude
You may not like to hear this, but abortion and contraceptives were directly correlated to the drop in crime over the past 20 years! I hear all the time of the pro-lifer movement saying a life begins at the time of fertilization of the egg. I disagree, but whatever.
Originally posted by onecraftydude
My point is that you cannot argue that you would take care of all the unwanted children without involving government! You had your chance for over 200 years and it never happened. Now women have a choice when they make a mistake or get raped. You want to take that away because of your religious views and that is wrong.
Originally posted by onecraftydude
Go to Africa for a week. Live in Haiti in camps for a week. Visit other nations who do not have contraception and see what it looks like. You might have a change of heart when you see all the unwanted children turned into animals to survive.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by MonkeyFishFrog
For all the experience you have had in your lifetime and places you've traveled...have you ever experienced an unwanted pregnancy? You yourself carrying a baby?
First of all I am a man... and my girlfriend and I have had sex, and continue to have and but we always make sure we are protected. I have been in several relationships, and even been married. In my 40 years of life experience never have I made my partner pregnant unless we wanted to, and yes we are able to have children we just choose not to at this time.
Have you ever experience what millions of couples experience not being able to conceive a child?...
How about puting the child you don't want for adoption instead of resorting to murdering the fetus?
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Anyway, I also disagree that people should be FORCED to pay for the healthcare of others... Americans in general are generous enough that donations can pay for, and cover the healthcare needs of people who TRULY need healthcare.
Most of those who have responded to this thread obviously don't understand the difference between helping people out of the goodness of your heart, and as a FREE CHOICE, and FORCING people to do what some think should be FORCED upon others...
Many of you talk about those in power FORCING you to do things, or pay for things you don't want to do... Yet ALL OF YOU want to do the same thing... Go figure...
edit on 26-10-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)
I have lived, and experienced life in Cuba and there women are no given any contraceptives... Heck most of the time the doctors have to give you aspirin, if they have any, and send you home...
Cuba accepts and supports since 1959, the sovereign right of women and their partners to freely decide their reproduction issues. The State guarantees, through our health system, the necessary attention before and after birth, in cases of infertility or when birth is not desired. In such cases, the State guarantees the right to decide, allowing recourse to contraceptives. Similarly, the right to abort is the right of women and their partners, and that is why they are offered this institutional service with a high level of medical safety. 1
It is important to remember that the “right to abortion” and “safe abortions” are terms which are used by anti-life organizations such as IPPF in its strategies. According to media reports, births in Cuba have decreased from 250,000 in 1963 to 192,000 in 1975 and 152,000 in 1993.2
www.pop.org...
Originally posted by MonkeyFishFrog
You being a man was the point of my post because an unwanted pregnancy is an experience you will never personally have.
Yes. I was diagnosed with infertility caused by Poly-Cystic Ovarian Syndrome at 18.
You being a man was the point of my post because an unwanted pregnancy is an experience you will never personally have.
Yes. I was diagnosed with infertility caused by Poly-Cystic Ovarian Syndrome at 18.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by MonkeyFishFrog
You being a man was the point of my post because an unwanted pregnancy is an experience you will never personally have.
Yes. I was diagnosed with infertility caused by Poly-Cystic Ovarian Syndrome at 18.
So now you are trying to use the fact that I am a man as an excuse that I can't have my own point of view on this? Or that somehow my views do not matter?...
But I guess the views of those men who agree with you do matter... right?...
Originally posted by windword
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You have just all credibility with me.
The arrest of two Czech women puts further strain on Czech-Cuban relations
02-02-2006 14:40 | Daniela Lazarová
Relations between the Czech Republic and Cuba have been strained for some time, after a number of diplomatic spats. Tensions between the two states have risen further since the arrest last week of two Czech women - including former Miss Czech Republic Helena Houdova - while they were taking photographs of a slum area.
The two Czech women were detained by police as they were taking photographs of a poverty ridden district in Havana. "There was a lot of shouting as we were dragged off - and one of the officers shouted that we were terrorists", Helena Houdova said later. She and her psychologist friend Mariana Kroftova made the trip to Havana to ascertain how children on the island could benefit from their charity work. Mariana Kroftova says she thought the eleven hours they spent in detention would never end:
"They took us to a police station where nobody spoke to us or properly explained what was going on. We were just able to make out that we were accused of engaging in counter-revolutionary activities against the Cuban regime. What was worse they refused to let us call the Czech embassy. So we spent the 11 hours without knowing what our fate would be."
The two women were eventually released at 3am after pledging in writing that they would not engage in any counter-revolutionary activities in Cuba. Both remained under house arrest until leaving the country. The Czech Foreign Ministry has described their treatment as a flagrant violation of international law. Richard Krpac is from the ministry's press department:
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Asked why the women were arrested the charge d'affaires said it was because they had "deliberately waged a campaign against Cuba in cooperation with Cuban dissidents[s/zie]". This is a standard line used in connection with many Czechs who visit the island. Many are refused entry on the suspicion that they plan to meet with Cuban dissidents. Two Czechs -a member of Parliament and an NGO worker who did - spent 3 weeks in a Cuban jail in 2001.
A one time communist ally of Cuba - the Czech Republic is now seen as a dangerous adversary. Ever since the fall of communism in 1989, Prague has been vocal in supporting human rights on the island and is one of the leading proponents of a tougher international stance against the Castro regime. In spite of the worsened relations the Czech Foreign Ministry says it expects Cuba to respect international law.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by MonkeyFishFrog
For all the experience you have had in your lifetime and places you've traveled...have you ever experienced an unwanted pregnancy? You yourself carrying a baby?
First of all I am a man... and my girlfriend and I have had sex, and continue to have and but we always make sure we are protected. I have been in several relationships, and even been married. In my 40 years of life experience never have I made my partner pregnant unless we wanted to, and yes we are able to have children we just choose not to at this time.
Have you ever experience what millions of couples experience not being able to conceive a child?...
How about puting the child you don't want for adoption instead of resorting to murdering the fetus?
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by newcovenant
First of all, the mandate is for both contraceptives AND abortion...
Second of all, I am not saying contraceptives or abortion should be banned...
If you believe in killing your own baby that is your problem. I am not going to FORCE you to accept my view, but why do I have to accept YOURS or even BE FORCED to pay for it?...
Nice try to garner more support by making red herrings...
BTW, the elites also want not only population control but depopulation, do you want to side with them
"for the children" like you claim your view is all about?...
edit on 26-10-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by selfharmonise
Wow - that knocked me down. You're 40?
That doesn't come across in your posts.
Originally posted by selfharmonise
But, I am not so selfish in my need to have a child that I would remove the right of abortion from the rest of my gender in order to provide myself and my partner (and couples like us) with viable infants to lavish our affections on...
Originally posted by FreebirdGirl
reply to post by newcovenant
Kudos Newcovenant!!!! This says it all.