Forcing People to Pay for The Contraception and Abortion of Women is a Right for Women?

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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 06:34 PM
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I have been hearing this a lot from some women, and other supporters of Obama. You hear this view on political commercials, and other venues as the Obama camp try to get the support of women making them believe that it is their right to FORCE others to agree with their views on abortion, and contraceptions, and to FORCE people to pay all women to have contraceptives, and abortions.

This is one "message" that the Obama administration, and Obama himself have been trying to use to get the vote from women. But since when has it become a right for ANYONE to force the views, and pay in favor of the opinion of some people unto others?

Who gives ANYONE the right to FORCE others to accept their views, and even to pay for such views?

Part of the Obamacare bill forces regular people, and employers to pay for contraceptives, and abortions of women who want free contraceptives, and abortions.



Is the Obama administration forcing people to pay for abortion-inducing drugs?

By James D. Agresti
February 7, 2012
Revised 2/9/12

The 2010 Affordable Care Act (a.k.a. Obamacare) gives presidential appointees at least 40 regulatory powers that have the force of law. Kathleen Sebelius, President Obamas Secretary of Health and Human Services, recently exercised one of these powers by mandating thatmost new and renewed health plans are required to cover without cost sharingall FDA-approved forms of contraception by August 1st of this year.

This mandate exemptscertain religious organizations but not otherswho, based on religious beliefs, do not currently provide contraceptive coverage in their insurance plan. This means that faith-based universities, hospitals, and charities are not exempt from the mandate, but if they are nonprofits, they areprovided an additional year, until August 1, 2013, to comply with the new law.

Secretary Sebelius claims in a USA Today op-ed that this mandate will make contraception free for most Americans with insurance, but this use of the wordfree is misleading. Someone has to pay, and when government requires insurers to provide a certain benefit, all of the insured are forced to pay for it through their insurance premiums.
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www.justfactsdaily.com...

A lot of people who are pro-Obama insist it is their right, and the right of every woman to be provided with contraceptives, and abortions, but since when has it become a right of some people to force everyone else to do their bidding?...

There are some people, and organizations who have money and have been able to fight this, but what about the millions of Americans who do not have the means to fight this because they don't have the money, and they do not agree with this invented right?

People like me can't afford to pay for a lawyer to fight for OUR RIGHTS, yet the government is using tax payer's money to FORCE EVERY AMERICAN to pay for the misguided views, and opinions of some Americans.

The Obama camp have even used the excuse that "only religious people are trying to fight this", but not only is this not true, but also since when it is not okay to have religious freedom in the United States?...

Have the pro-choice crowd, and the Obama administration forgotten the First Amendment to our Bill of Rights?...


Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

www.usconstitution.net...

There are even some Catholics who have fallen for this misguided belief that this is a right, when it isn't.


Pro-Choice Hypocrisy: You Must Pay for My Abortion, Birth Control

It is an irony that the promoters of “reproductive choice” insist on coercing everyone else into paying for other people’s abortions and sexual decisions.

Frances Kissling, founder of the misnamed “Catholics for Choice,” will appear opposite me on Monday at the University of Wisconsin Marathon County in Wausau to argue in favor of a government mandate that forces employers to violate their religious beliefs just because they operate in America.

The Obama administration is enforcing the mandate as one of the first of many coercive orders issued from Obamacare, this one including early abortion methods in health plans. Or rather, the mandate is being enforced except where it has been directly confronted in court.

The only court to rule on whether this Obamacare mandate violates religious freedom issued an injunction against it in July. The injunction protects a Catholic family business I represent through Alliance Defending Freedom.

To people familiar with the rhetoric of abortion advocates, it is not surprising that they clamor for the government to force Americans to pay for abortions as well as for drugs and devices that contracept or cause early embryo destruction. What is disturbing is that they advocate this attack on freedom under the rubric of choiceandconscience.That is a bait-and-switch tactic as old as Roe v. Wade.

Roe demonstrated a similar double standard. It insisted that newly invented rights would never be used to force people against their consciences to facilitate abortion and contraception. But thenpro-choice advocates began lobbying to force taxpayers to fund abortion and other practices that fill Planned Parenthoods pocketbook.
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www.lifenews.com...


Not only that, but this is a message being used by the Obama camp, and Obama himself to try to gather more votes from women.

Some people might say "but it is only a dollar", but the amount of money that everyone is being forced to pay for the contraceptive of other women, and even their abortions is no excuse to accept this attack against the freedom of millions of Americans.

What if the government came up with a mandate to FORCE every American, and every employer to pay for, for example, the religious practices of some Americans? Would the "pro-choice", and "pro-Obama camp" still view this as a "right"?...

I would like to hear why there are people who think it is their right to force Americans to accept and pay for their views on contraceptives and abortion.

And since when, and why are women falling for this misguided belief from the pro-crowd and pro-Obama crowd, to be convinced and accept these views as an excuse to gather more votes for Obama?

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edit on Fri Oct 26 2012 by DontTreadOnMe because: shorten last external quote



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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 06:38 PM
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I understand your political point, but there's a practical one here as well.

Contraceptive costs what, thirty bucks a month? Whereas a child born into poverty and living on welfare costs a lot more.

Personally, I think we should hand out prophylactics like candy.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 06:41 PM
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Well, for some women "the pill" is used for health reasons, not just as a contraception.

Viagra is covered by most, if not all, health insurers. Why am I paying for a ninety year old to get his rocks off? Seems if we cover one, we should cover all.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 06:45 PM
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As long as women are not forced to take contraception I don’t really see problem here. Individuals still have a right to choose for themselves.

As far as taxes paying for something I don’t believe in…. Let’s put it this way you should start a list and I am sure everyone in America will have something they could add to it.


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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by smyleegrl
I understand your political point, but there's a practical one here as well.

Contraceptive costs what, thirty bucks a month? Whereas a child born into poverty and living on welfare costs a lot more.

Personally, I think we should hand out prophylactics like candy.



It isn't just a political point, it is a freedom point as well. It is my right to not accept being forced to pay for what some people believe is their right.

Whether another child is born into poverty it is the responsibility of the parents, it is not my responsibility, and it shouldn't be forced on me, and millions of other Americans.

We are in the 21st century, everyone knows that when a man and a woman are having sex during the time frame that the woman can have children, there is a high risk for her to get pregnant.

There are also organizations which are "pro-choice" who have been paying for contraceptives for other women.

If you want free contraceptives for other women then make a charity that gathers DONATIONS from people who agree with this view, instead of FORCING every American to pay for contraceptives and abortions.

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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by Feltrick
Well, for some women "the pill" is used for health reasons, not just as a contraception.

Viagra is covered by most, if not all, health insurers. Why am I paying for a ninety year old to get his rocks off? Seems if we cover one, we should cover all.


There is a big difference, those old men have been paying to social security for decades, and it is this money that they paid and which has gathered interest which is being used to pay for his viagra.

There is no mandate that specifically FORCES every American pay for the viagra of some older men...
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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 06:51 PM
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I believe this is a non issue being ginned up to appeal to women emotionally, to create an imaginary injustice to lure certain kinds of not very bright women into feeling he's on their side. Like the way Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton want to keep blacks feeling oppressed so they'll hold onto their power.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

If you want free contraceptives for other women then make a charity that gathers DONATIONS from people who agree with this view, instead of FORCING every American to pay for contraceptives and abortions.

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applause


This is the answer no question about it. Commitment is so much more effective than compliance.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 06:51 PM
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Freedom, I understand that too. But the fact of the matter is, we have very little freedom or say in how out taxes are spent by the government. I don't like my tax money being used to support deadbeats (I'm not talking about the truly needy but the ones who play the system). But how to stop it?

I till look at it impractical terms. Thirty bucks to prevent pregnancy now, or thousands to raise a child later.

Just curious, is this a religious cause for you?


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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 06:52 PM
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I think forcing people to Pay for Unjust Wars and Drone Strikes should be more of a talking point.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 06:53 PM
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Worked in a pharmacy for ten years. Medicare doesn't pay for Viagra. Private insurance does, however. The same companies that won't pay for female birth control will pay for Viagra.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by Pedro4077
I think forcing people to Pay for Unjust Wars and Drone Strikes should be more of a talking point.


Wow, someone opposing the only thing the Constitution is very clear on.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 06:56 PM
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I'm going to point out the obvious and say that it takes two people to make a baby. By denying contraceptives for women or abortions you are saying to women universally the consequences of sex is solely her responsibility.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by Grimpachi
As long as women are not forced to take contraception I don’t really see problem here. Individuals still have a right to choose for themselves.

As far as taxes paying for something I don’t believe in…. Let’s put it this way you should start a list and I am sure everyone in America will have something they could add to it.


First of all, since when is that an excuse to add another freedom being taken from Americans?...

Second of all, what exactly are you talking about?... The wars?... First of all, the taxes used to pay for the miltiary, is for the protection of every American, whether you believe those wars were wrong or right is another story and for another discussion.

Since when is it alright to take away more rights of Americans because some believe their rights are being taken away?...

You really think that is an excuse?...



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by smyleegrl

Worked in a pharmacy for ten years. Medicare doesn't pay for Viagra. Private insurance does, however. The same companies that won't pay for female birth control will pay for Viagra.


It is the same thing, those men paid, and are paying the private insurance for what they need. All Americans are not forced to pay for the viagra of older men.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by Hillarie
I believe this is a non issue being ginned up to appeal to women emotionally, to create an imaginary injustice to lure certain kinds of not very bright women into feeling he's on their side. Like the way Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton want to keep blacks feeling oppressed so they'll hold onto their power.


I agree with you on all points.

It is just amazing that so many women are falling for this imaginary right that they can force other people to pay for the choices these women make...



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 07:06 PM
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I never said the wars however I personally do not like how religious organizations do not have to pay taxes and the federal government helps subsidize their hospitals. That would be on my list.


On the subject of freedoms we will have to disagree because I personal do not feel anyone’s freedom has been breached especially in how the law was written. If they feel it is a religious thing then I don’t see how this will affect them after all those religious people would never take advantage of the program in which case no one is paying a dime.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Hillarie
I believe this is a non issue being ginned up to appeal to women emotionally, to create an imaginary injustice to lure certain kinds of not very bright women into feeling he's on their side. Like the way Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton want to keep blacks feeling oppressed so they'll hold onto their power.


I agree with you on all points.

It is just amazing that so many women are falling for this imaginary right that they can force other people to pay for the choices these women make...


Once again I need to point out, where do men fit into this equation? Or are women suddenly all over experiencing the miracle of immaculate conception? Ordering one too many babies from the stork? In that case, well no duh, they should pay for it themselves.
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posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 07:07 PM
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It's sad how some people winge and complain all day long about welfare mothers, then in the same breathe oppose a solution to lowering the number of offspring the welfare mother has.



posted on Oct, 25 2012 @ 07:09 PM
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The government steals the fruit of our labor and uses it in turn for nefarious and/or immoral reasons all the time. This is nothing new, however it is the real meat of the debate. The issues raised regarding reproductive rights are manifestations of the central problem--state coersion. The government either forces you to go along with something you conscientiously oppose, or prevents you from realizing something you support, all in the name of "general welfare".

The debate over the funding of abortions/birth control is really a superficial one that disguises the real question--does the state have the moral justification to take actions, to which you are ideologically opposed, in your name and using your resources? For ANY reason, not just this one.



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