reply to post by logical7
If i am not taking it wrongly, does that mean he came to serve Christians? god came to serve humans? Only arrogant ones have that attitude that
God should do everything to keep them happy. I always believed the opposite.
The Son of God came here to be our servant, so that we can have everlasting life. No one had the attitude that God should do anything. It was his gift
to us because he loved us so much he couldn't see us perish for eternity.
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did
not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does
not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Moses(pbuh) saw Jesus(pbuh) at Sinai??
i guess he saw a fire and heard God only.
No, Moses saw God, not fire, not just a voice, he saw him, his back parts. This is the Son of God Moses saw, the Father is spirit and cannot be seen.
The Son is his physical manifestation.
12 Moses said to the Lord, “You have been telling me, ‘Lead these people,’ but you have not let me know whom you will send with me. You have
said, ‘I know you by name and you have found favor with me.’ 13 If you are pleased with me, teach me your ways so I may know you and continue to
find favor with you. Remember that this nation is your people.”
14 The Lord replied, “My Presence will go with you, and I will give you rest.”
15 Then Moses said to him, “If your Presence does not go with us, do not send us up from here. 16 How will anyone know that you are pleased with me
and with your people unless you go with us? What else will distinguish me and your people from all the other people on the face of the earth?”
17 And the Lord said to Moses, “I will do the very thing you have asked, because I am pleased with you and I know you by name.”
18 Then Moses said, “Now show me your glory.”
19 And the Lord said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. I will have
mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one
may see me and live.”
21 Then the Lord said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. 22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock
and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.”
And explain me if Jesus(pbuh) died on the cross as god then you mean trinity was destroyed for 3 days?
And if one part of triune god died the others cant exist or they are independent of each other and so three and not ONE.
No the Son of God, the physical manifestion of the Father in this world was crucified on the cross. The Son manifested many times before he appeared
as Jesus Exodus 33 when he showed Moses his back is one of these examples. In the book of Joshua there is another example, and many more examples
where he appeared. He even appeared to Abraham before Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed.
13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, a Man stood opposite him with His sword drawn in
His hand. And Joshua went to Him and said to Him, “Are You for us or for our adversaries?”
14 So He said, “No, but as Commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.”
And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped, and said to Him, “What does my Lord say to His servant?”
15 Then the Commander of the Lord’s army said to Joshua, “Take your sandal off your foot, for the place where you stand is holy.” And Joshua did
We know this commander is God because Joshua worshipped him, this is another manifestation of the Father, another instance of the Son of God. Denote
the "take off your sandals you're standing on Holy ground" as God spoke to Moses The only holy ground is where God is standing Exodus 3:5
and if he died as a man then thats not enough to pay for everybody's sins.
So our Creator the Son of God dying for the sins of the world is not enough for you? You desire him to do more than endure the horrors inflicted at
the hands of his own creations? Now that is arrogant and ungrateful. Prophecy states he would do this in many places, like Isaiah 53.
Your confusion comes from your Quran, thats why you are having a hard time reconciling the hebrew bible and the new tetament scriptures, they do not
mingle with your book.
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