Originally posted by logical7
reply to post by WarminIndy
The objection i have is you telling me what God i worship or even going and assuming that all the muslims are pagans? So i had to bring to notice that
nobody can reach up to catholic church in the acceptance of paganism, they went to the lengths of erasing a commandment to accomodate statues to
please their roman masters and crowds.
and about your accusations regarding Islam and Muhammad(pbuh) i can tell you, i agree 100% with Umar(ra)
and the prophet dint worship alongside pagans after having control of makkah and to this day no pagans are allowed near Kabah.
And pointing at something and saying "Allah hu Akbar"(Allah is greater/greatest) doesnt make that thing god, pointing at it was a symbolic act of
touching from a distance. And a muslim can say "Allah hu Akbar" and even bow down in front of a tree while praying. And only a pagan would assume
that he is worshipping the tree or calling it god.
And the assumption again is that I am Catholic, which I am not. By the very act of bowing down is worship. Would you like the Hadith on Mohammed
worshiping with the pagans in Mecca? OK here it is....
Bukhari V2, B26, #689 (V1, B8, No 365): Narrated Abu Huraira: “In the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Allahs Apostle made Abu
Bakr the leader of the pilgrims, the latter (Abu Bakr) sent me in the company of a group of people to make a public announcement: 'No pagan is
allowed to perform Hajj after this year, and no naked person is allowed to perform Tawaf of the Kaba.'”
Mohammed worshiped with pagans. Abu Bakr was the one who who said no pagans were allowed there. Now who is this Abu Bakr? The father of Aisha and the
first caliph who fought with Ali in the Battle of the Camels.
Are you still sure 100%?
Now as far as that goes about Canaanites and the Hebrews, yes at different time the Hebrews did fall into idol worship, the Bible says they did. No
one is disputing this fact. Yes, Suleiman did have pagan wives, which he was commanded not to, but did anyway and was led away by them. Elijah stood
up to the 400 prophets of Ba'al and God consumed his sacrifice. This is not a new thing, we all know this happened.
Now the accusations you have made against the Roman Catholic faith, yes, paganism has influenced that as well, but again I am not Catholic as I belong
to the original Christian faith founded on the testimony of Peter that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God of which over 300 OT prophecies
came to pass about Him.
The Book of Isaiah is exactly the same as it was written. And because the Jews rejected Jesus does not mean they always will, Bible prophecy is very
clear that one day they will accept Him. About the prophecy of Jesus from Isaiah "Unto us a son is born, unto us a son is given, and He shall be
called Wonderful, Counselor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace. And upon His shoulders shall be His government and His
government shall have no end". Unto whom? Who was the son born to? Isaiah was a Jewish prophet.
When you discuss a religion, you must always go back to the author of that religion. Mohammed was the author of Islam, therefore it is his words and
deeds we have to look at. If you dislike the Quranic verses and Hadiths, take that up with Islamic scholars who provided the information. If I had
posted only nice verses and hadiths, then you would have been happy because that is the whitewashed version the west has been given. So why dispute
the bad things if they come from the same Quran and Hadiths? I am not the writer of either one and neither are you. So take the good and the bad,
every Christian and Jew accepts that prophets were not always righteous or even right. They were not always good and they sinned. We accept that, so
why can't you apply the same thing to yours? Oh yes, because yours said to overlook his indiscretions.