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Originally posted by SimonPeter
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The King James bible is what I am quoting .
Originally posted by SimonPeter
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The Essene were not friends of Jesus . That compares to, we could ask Russia to rewrite our Constitution or comment on our country . The Sadducee people didn't believe in life after death or a Messiah . The Pharisees were not accepting of Jesus or his disciples .
Originally posted by SimonPeter
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You don't know what relationship Jesus had with the Essense or even John the Baptist.You are reading someones thoughts on the Essense written some 2000 years later. I'm not sure John knew Jesus that well from their meeting at the river and Baptism .
Of course I can see your infatuation with anything disclaiming Jesus as you have positioned yourself as an antichrist although not the Antichrist .
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Originally posted by MagnumOpus
One of the things that most notice is the story of Santa Clauss given to children around Christmas is very similar to the story told to Christians for Jesus. So, is Jesus the Santa for those who refuse to grow up, as they learn Santa is all made up?
Some suggest there are issues of similarity.
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These are some characteristics of Santa Claus. He:
•is immortal.
•is omniscient, seeing all things that happen.
•is good and loving.
•can cause miracles.
•rewards people for doing good.
•demands belief that he is real.
These are all attributes that are shared with the Christian view of God. One might ask then, is a belief in Santa Claus equivalent to a belief in a god? To a child's eyes, it must be very similar.
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Alternatively, it may be considered that once the myth is shattered in later years it will become a source of distrust.
Kids know Santa might be real because of the story and presents show up under the tree, if they are good children.
Now, does Jesus leave any rewards, like eternal life, that anyone has found anyone telling about?
Just how faked up is the Jesus story when the Trinity is faked up in the Bible?
When Jesus declairs that: ""Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father." (John 20:17) it appears that he didn't do the death on the cross thing, else he would have been with god in death.
Did Jesus become as Santa Clauss and only those liking nice stories take it all in as much as children take in Santa.
It appears Jesus is the very root for the Santa theme with gifts being brought afar to the child.
Since, all the Christians declair that they are the body of Christ Jesus, when the Santa person that sits the kids on his lap in Department Stores really Jesus wearing a Santa Suit and a Grey Beard?
Should adults grow up, or keep Jesus in a Santa Suit?
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Originally posted by The GUT
Originally posted by MagnumOpus
U Penn's has the largest Sumerian Antiquities collections and the best scholarship on the gods of Anu themes, and they speak to a good deal of the type associations that Sitchen makes, and that the Book of Enoch makes, and that the archiological records support.
Are you so obtuse & clueless as to assert that U Penn believes the Sumerian mythology as fact and sides with Sitchin?!
Any modestly intelligent researcher can see that they are discussing just that: Mythology. A mythology that even the Sumerians couldn't agree on according to U Penn.
How ridiculous that makes you and obvious to pretty much anyone who looks at it.
You try and make fun of other's research skills and your deficiencies are glaring. All those stars you aren't racking up should clue you in to how serious folk are taking your self-professed "scholarship."
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The early records of The Shining Ones can be found in 5 basic sources:
•Sumerian tablets from library in Nippur where they are called by the name Annunaki (Anannage)
•In Bible, Book of Genesis, Numbers, Deuteronomy, where the name of Nephilim was given to them
•Writings in Greece that can be accounted to Babylonian priest Berossus
•The Book of Enoch, where they are mentioned by the bane of Angels, Watchers, Nephilim
•Book of Jubilees
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Anunnaki were culturally and technically advanced people who situated themselves in the slopes of Middle East around 8200 BC. Their primary goal was to establish agricultural centre for learning and training of local population. They were described as "The Shining Lords of Cultivation". The Goddess Ninlil or Ninkharsag, wife of Enlil, ruled the land. Early Sumerian described themselves as being constantly nurtured by her milk and they called her "the great Mother Goddess of Moon".
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One segment of etymology pointed that Sumeria was home of the Shining Ones. The name "Sumer" comes from the word "Shumer" which, when literary translated, means "Land of the Watchers". This was no other land than Biblical land of "Shin'ar" which means "the place of the Shining Ones."
Sumerian word "El" is commonly translated as "God" and in Bible word Elohim is sometimes wrongly translated as Lord. What Elohim is plural of the word El. El means is "Shine". Semitic word El we can also find in many other ancient languages. E.g. Anglo-Saxon word "Aelf" ("Elf" or "supernatural being") means "Shining being", so "El" should be translated not as God or Lord but as "the one who is shining". In the same way, Elohim (which is the plural) should be translated as "the ones who are shining". This is the most used term for God in Old Testament. If we switch the term "Lord" with "the Shining One" while reading the Bible, we will notice significant difference in the text and we will see and read the Bible as it was originally written and meant to be read.
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Then the Lord said to Michael: 'Go and strip Enoch of his own clothes; anoint him with fine oil, and dress him like ourselves: and Michael did as he was told. He stripped me of my clothes, and rubbed me over with a wonderful oil like dew - with the scent of myrrh which shone like a sunbeam. And I looked at myself, and I was like one of the others; there was no difference and all my fear and trembling left me.
Then the Lord called one of his Archangels named Uriel, who was the most learned of them all, and said: 'Bring out the books from my library, and give Enoch a pen for speedy writing, and tell him what the books are about: And Uriel hurried and brought me the books, smelling of myrrh, and handed me a pen:
The sincerity of this account is quite remarkable. There are no heroics - no bombast; just an honest statement of human frailty in the face of what must have been a terrifying experience. The parallel Sumerian account showed that this house to which Enoch was brought was a large cedar-wood building, brilliantly illuminated, and equipped with running water. On the wider issues, the account supplies three particularly important pieces of information.
1. In a preliminary manner, it explains the purpose behind the uprooting of Enoch from his patriarchal home and his transportation to a mountain eyrie close to Hermon. Enoch was educated, within the limits of what the Watchers had taught him; he was a fluent writer, and he was a man of particular integrity. In the Greek, he is described in two pertinent phrases:
(a) 'Enoch - the truthful man' and
(b) Writer of the truth'.
Originally posted by denynothing
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I don't know your beliefs so if I assumed beliefs here I am sorry. I other no scientific proof that I know of, I only offer the bible because that is my belief that is true. If you don't believe what I believe then I will accept you disagreeing with me.
Revelations talks of "christians" that didn't accept Jesus until they saw the end of times or rejected him so he rejected them. I'll admit now I not totally up to snuff on Revelations, however John 3:16 tells us that God gave his son so that we would have everlasting life in him, if we believe in him therefore I would expect that if a person would accept Jesus as Lord and Savior then they would be taken in the Rapture. Once again though Revelations not a strong point for me.
Did Jesus judge himself? Good question it is an interesting thought because we are judged when we die. However Jesus lived a perfect life because he was God on Earth therefore he was inherently free from judgement because only God can judge and it would be illogical to judge himself.
I will not debate with someone as eccentric as your Essene.
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Originally posted by Hefficide
Folks,
The topic of this thread is For Adults who refuse to grow up, Is Christianity the Adult version for Santa Clauss. Can we please stick to that and avoid bickering about each other?
Thanks!
Hefficide
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Originally posted by windword
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Originally posted by SimonPeter
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LOL, You don't have to shout! We can see you anger issues, loudly.
Geez, temper tantrum much?
Good stuff Magnum! Keep up the good work,
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In all of these cultures there are records of special groups that represent priesthood elite of the Shining Ones, small yet powerful group which experienced the enlightenment. In Sumeria we found Egregore or Watchers and many other epithets which were given to them. From all of them we can conclude that they also were the Shining Ones. The Shining Ones we can also find in Bible in which they are considered as Angels of Gods. Egyptian name Neteru can also be translated Watcher, which is also the meaning of the name Essen. The Essens were the Hebrew sect for which it was said to stand behind the writings of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Name Essen or "Essees" comes from Hebrew meaning "preserver" or "guardian". They also were called Watchers, "Sons of Light" and "Servants of God".
Originally posted by wildtimes
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I will not debate with someone as eccentric as your Essene.
What's wrong with "eccentrics"?
They seem to be the ones who have all the cutting-edge ideas.
Or, perhaps you prefer the "status quo is fine" types. Yeah, some of us just don't buy it.
Sorry you feel like you have to leave. This stuff is really intriguing, and worthy of thought.
(And, yes, Jesus was an Essene.)
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There is a widespread misunderstanding of the term "Immaculate Conception". Many people, even many Catholics, believe this refers to the conception of Jesus by Mary. Nearly every time this term is used in television or in popular culture, it is in reference to the conception of Jesus.
The conception of Jesus by Mary is more properly called the "Incarnation of Christ." The phrase "Immaculate Conception," by Catholic interpretation, is not directly connected to the concept of the "Virgin Birth." The Catholic Church celebrates the Immaculate Conception on 8 December, exactly nine months before the official birthday of Mary. The Incarnation of Christ is celebrated on 25 March, nine months before Christmas Day.
Mary Immaculate
The Immaculate Conception is a Catholic dogma that asserts that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was preserved by God from the stain of original sin at the time of her own conception.
Specifically, the dogma says she was not afflicted by the privation of sanctifying grace that afflicts mankind, but was instead filled with grace by God, and furthermore lived a life completely free from sin.
It is commonly confused with the doctrine of the virgin birth, though the two deal with separate subjects. Mary was conceived by normal biological means, but her soul was acted upon by God blocking sin from perpetuating at the time of her conception.
The Immaculate Conception was solemnly defined as a dogma by Pope Pius IX in his constitution Ineffabilis Deus, published December 8, 1854 (the Feast of the Immaculate Conception).
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Scriptural and Philological Controversy
In the wider sense, arguments for and against the Virgin Birth depend on fundamental philosophical assumptions or the Virgin Birth cannot have taken place in any traditionally accepted sense. To many, the Virgin Birth violates natural philosophy and the science based upon it. There are also objections to the doctrine of the Virgin Birth based on scriptural evidence and other ongoing theological debates. The required Sethian and Davidic bloodlines of the Messiah, so meticulously mentioned in the Bible, would abruptly end, without justification, with Joseph.
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The Nazarene Way of Essenic Studies
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Philo's (first account)
"They do not offer animal sacrifice, judging it more fitting to render their minds truly holy. They flee the cities and live in villages where clean air and clean social life abound. They either work in the fields or in crafts that countribute to peace. They do not hoard silver and gold and do not acquire great landholdings; procuring for themselves only what is necessary for life. Thus they live without goods and without property, not by missfortune, but out of preference. They do not make armaments of any kind. They do not keep slaves and detest slavery. They avoid wholesale and retail commerce, believing that such activity excites one to cupidity. With respect to philosophy, they dismiss logic but have an extremely high regard for virtue. They honor the Sabbath with great respect over the other days of the week. They have an internal rule which all learn, together with rules on piety, holiness, justice and the knowledge of good and bad. These they make use of in the form of triple definitions, rules regarding the love of God, the love of virtue, and the love of men. They believe God causes all good but cannot be the cause of any evil. They honor virtue by foregoing all riches, glory and pleasure. Further, they are convinced they must be modest, quiet, obedient to the rule, simple, frugal and without mirth. Their life style is communal. They have a common purse. Their salaries they deposit before them all, in the midst of them, to be put to the common employment of those who wish to make use of it. They do not neglect the sick on the pretext that they can produce nothing. With the common purse there is plenty from which to treat all illnesses. They lavish great respect on the elderly. With them they are very generous and surround them with a thousand attentions. They practice virtue like a gymnastic exercise, seeing the accomplishment of praiseworthy deeds as the means by which a man ensures absolute freedom for himself."
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(Eusebius, Bishop of Caesarea, writing around A.D.300)
"Even in our day, there are still those whose only guide is Deity; ones who live by the true reason of nature, not only themselves free but filling their neighbors witht he spirit of freedom. They are not very numerous indeed, but that is not strange, for the highest nobilty is ever rare; and then these ones have turned aside from the vulgar herd to devote themselves to a contemplation of nature's verities. They pray, if it were possible, that they may reform our fallen lives; but if they cannot, owing to the tide of evils and wrongs which surge up in cities, they flee away, lest they too be swept off their feet by the force of the current. And we, if we had a true zeal for self-improvement, would have to track them to their places of retreat, and, halting as supplicants before them, would beseech them to come to us and tame our life grown too fierce and wild; preaching instead of war and slavery and untold ills, their Gospel of Peace and freedom, and all the fullness of other blessings."
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The B'nai-Amen lived in and around Nazorean Temples such as the one on Mount Carmel and the smaller one in the Essene Quarter of western Jerusalem (now known as the "Church of the Apostles, or Cenacle).
The Nazorean had no intentions on the main Jerusalem Temple or in restoring its animal sacrifice cult. The Nazorean abhorred all animal sacrifice and rejected, as forgeries and fictions, all Jewish scriptures that encourage such barbaric practices. The Nazorean also had a different calendar than the Qumran B'nai-Zadok, a different set of scriptures, a different "Teachers of Righteousness," and a different and more positive attitude toward marriage and women.
It was into the ancient and mystical B'nai-Amen Temple of the Nazorean that Jesus was born; as it is written: "He shall be called a Nazorean!" (Matthew 2:23). This B'nai-Amen Temple was the advanced level of the Nazorean Covenant which brought forth the "Chosen Ones," and is that advanced level of truth which Jesus has again restored and is again seeking to make available to all righteous Nazorean who wish to espouse its fullness.
The Nazarenes of Mount Carmel consists of men and women of high moral character, dedicated to studying and teaching the ancient mysteries of the higher aspirations of the soul and applying the Nazorean teachings of Jesus, the Nazorean. We are also dedicated to preserving the original texts as best we can. We do not condone tampering with the manuscripts of antiquity.