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For Adults who refuse to grow up, Is Christianity the Adult version for Santa Clauss

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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
What you seem to fail to grasp Autowrench, and it's because you never had a salvation experience, is that we do know. He makes these things known to us, all we have to do is ask him. He came before everything else. All those pagan religions came from two people, Nimrod (Ninus) and his mother/wife Semiramis who set themselves up as gods millenia ago. I've done plenty of research, i went to college to be an anthropologist emphasis in archeaology. There is actually alot of scientific proof the bible is true and a historically accurate text. Even in those pagan legends there was always one nugget of truth, that there was always one ruler of Heaven and all creation. Every pagan religion has the same consistent story of a King of the gods, one ruler Greater than the lessers. Even with their twisted tales and sordid stories they couldn't squash the fact of a supreme deity because he wouldn't allow it. There's always a grain of truth in every myth, and that's it. He IS.



Is this another one of those I am special and god only speaks to me, so you are inferior who god does not communicate. One of the typical Christian games to tell everyone I am so special and above everyone type arrogance.

I have a word for that "Bogus" / non-sense.

If there were a god, so disposed, he could talk to everyone easy as pie. Everyone would be on the same sheet of music.

Plus, all this proof of god comes right from gods of Anu themes, and especially Nimrods wanting to play god stems from this exact same gods of Anu. Anu wore cow horns, so did Nimrod.

You do your homework and stop blowing smoke.


Even Prayers started to god in heaven, then it had to be to Jesus in god's name, and all the little gimmics to control the human submission to a mantra that is faked. The faked up temple games were moved into the faked up church games.

All that religion in this form does is attempt to remove people from normal reality and put them in a place that disenfranchises them from reality, those so removed from realty don't make problems for rulers and politicians as all they do is wring their hands and pray. They don't take thoughts into action, only expect god to do it for them. It makes the followers into little children that want daddy to do this and that for them, rather than acting as adults and putting real world actions, wroking with others, into play. All religion does when this game happens is to boost rulers powers to rule over others, as the opposition is disarmed of reality and working with his fellow man to make changes on the theme for the common good.


This road to salvation that you attempt to paint is the most dangerous concept from religions, it is the road that tells you can't make things happen on your own and have to pray for only another, like the daddy for a child, to come pave the way for you. Such a road isn't about individual freedom, just oppression of such individual expression to speak to others of better ideas and enlist them to work together to do greater goods for your fellow man. Yours is the thought that cast individuls into only followers that are easily led like sheep. It is the game of controlling gods and kings, the pathway is to riches and power to the few. It is not about freedom and equality.

There are those that use religion to promote evils for mankind.


Jesus appears to have come along and said you don't need an evil temple, only by Jewish overlords, to make your laws and to whom to pleed for your freedoms, anyone can do the same totally independent of any temple or priests.

By 70AD, that system went down in flames. It happened 666 years after the 1st one was invaded for the same games, and subsequently also burned for not listening to reason.

That was a message for freedom and equlity of all the peoples of the world, that Jesus spoke, and it would appear the Romans made Jesus prophecy come true as not even one stone of the temple remained unturned in looking for all the gold and greed it represented.

The US Echoed this freedom mindset and said Government will be totally independent of religions. Thus, any citizen has the right of free speech to express good ideas and gain support for those that sponsor good fellowship and benevolence toward others. You don't need a church and a bunch of controlling preachers to get there anymore. You don't need a daddy to come fix things for you, you can be a MAN, as Jesus was A MAN. Yet, this church cast system still exists in the church and all that does is disconnect many from the ways of Govt., and keeps many stuck back in time to the games of Kings seeking riches and powers over others using the churches and the excuses of god as their enabler in the minds of simple men.

Your road of salvation is a road that disconnects people from being Men, and keeps them relegated to being Children and followers, and not leaders and movers for greater goods that can happen without religion, without a church, and with often only a few good men. Which appears to be how the US thinking got the Constitution.

The US revolted from the games of the Church of England and its King formed from the ways of these Royalist's temples. The US didn't want Kings or their Religion leading anything, they wanted a Few Good Men.

There are those that use religion to promote evils for mankind. What you have is the old temple's road to perdition, not salvation.


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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by MagnumOpus
How will you deal with the Enoch story, which was found in the Caves out in the Judean desert. Did they screw up the pontifications on god? Or did you just fall down and pass into insignificance, and have need to give up your Avitar.

Charlie Chan say, "Biggest mistakes in history made by people who didn't think." Your MO reeks of it MO.

At least you recognize the Fallen Angels, but then you turn around and believe them. Not only that, but you call them "gods" on one hand and portray them as aliens the next.


I think the clearest thing about these beings and Jesus is that there is a spiritual component involved. Some of the best evidence for that comes from a point you mention: Jesus was indeed familiar, it seems, with the Book of Enoch.

In the Holy Bible we see one of the longest off-the-cuff shots in history: The prophecy that the harassed and scattered Jewish peoples would reclaim their land and become a nation again.

In 1947-48 a lot of what can only be called very supernaturally inspired events happen. It was a very fascinating year but for the purposes of this discussion we'll only look at two.

The first, already mentioned, being the Jewish State and the next being the finding of fragments of the Book of Enoch which validated its own historicity.

It's like the the countdown clock had been set and we were given additional pieces of the puzzle. Many have noted that the BOE is a Christian document before the advent of Christ! I think it does tell us some very interesting things about the Fallen Ones and was "sealed up" for this particular time in history.

Any pseudo-explanation that leaves out the obvious spiritual connection is flawed from the beginning. So, MO, your thesis limps. Charlie Chan say, "Alas, mouse cannot cast shadow like elephant, MOuse"

Worse than limping it smells: "Bad alibi like dead fish - cannot stand test of time." Your "alibi" smells like an apologetic for the Fallen Ones that's been left out too long.

The fallen angels played havoc all over the world. They love worship and bloodshed. They leave tracks wherever they go. Check out the following interesting thread by FoosM:

Twin Cultures On Opposite Sides Of The Pacific

Your story has no sensible ending, or even meaning, fortunately the True story does. You are extremely verbose and fall in and out of coherency but as Ancient ancestor once say, "Words cannot cook rice." You must be very hungry by now.


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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 03:07 PM
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So, along the lines for the theme of adults that failed to grow up with their need to put Jesus in a myth suit like a Santa, the explanations for the analogy and allegory continue.


One thing that one notices is the Christian Faith feeds off their self promotions of being the only ones connected with god, and doing that will promote vast rewards for them. Self-aggradizations are one of the games that Christians use to feed serotonin levels and support religion is like a drug concept that some have described before.


One notices this salvation story is all about this process to promise some presents from Santa, when the real story is to disconnect men from being men and making them into sheep that wring their hands and run down to the churches to prey. All that does is empower the chuches to lord over sheep, as they are no longer men.


Move into how this affected the US creation and we find it was mainly the Masons that were able to break the cast system of churches and Kings, and the Revolution to cast out the Royal money changer King George and his church of England formed the US. The US was a new deal, they didn't need a church or religion, nor Royals King of the church to tell them how to govern.


Yet, the evil games of churches to promote the Royalists and their liniage from David and the gods of Anu continued. Churches were a way to reinstall Royalist's thinking, King making via Churches, and the return of control over the people via their disenfranchisement from being real men. Men had to go ask Daddy, at the churches in prayer, to do everything for them. This sadly sick co-dependence process interferes with America's vision of Government, and churches are supposed to stay well clear of pushing around the American Government, yet we find this push of the Christian's arrogance into Govt highly present in the Govt today, second only to the Zionist grip on America's electorate.

America is in a mess because there are very few good men that understand how this church drama system appeals to people and does not put them on a road toward salvation, but toward perdition / aka hell. The only road to salvation via the disconnect of men to be daddy's child asking for new toys, is that of being lorded over by the Kings/Royalists, their money control over political processes, and their linage from these gods of old that sought power and control as faked up gods. It is a system practiced since the times of the gods of Anu, into the times of Nimrod and Babylon, into the times of the Temples and King David, into the times of UK Kings and their Church of England, and now into the churches drugging the minds of men to disconnect them from reality and being free men capable of independent thought and setting their own directions for good stewardship and benevolence toward others.

All one has to do to spot the evils is look at the wealth of the Vatican, the wealth of the Church of England's Kings, and the issues become just as clear as to why both temples were burned to the ground by the Babylonians and then the Romans. The Romans put up a Temple to Jupiter on the grounds of the old Roman fort to replace the Jewish games and scattered the Jews. Like a bad penny these thoughts for self-aggrandizations over others still exist in these various old religions games, but in the US the Masons taught everyone the real games of religions and how they pull it off for their games of inequality and making men into little children that believe in a Santa Clauss god and stuff Jesus into their mythical Santa Suit.

Now, in these end-times like happenings, all is being exposed of how they have used and abused the message of Jesus. As someone once told me recently, Jesus didn't need anyone to believe in a faked reserrection to have good men to believe in his message, It is only the faked up Christians that insist on this perversion to believe in Jesus' message, and then to pack Jesus into a Santa Suit and pervent the truth into a myth.


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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by The GUT

The fallen angels played havoc all over the world. They love worship and bloodshed. They leave tracks wherever they go.

Your story has no sensible ending, or even meaning, fortunately the True story does. You are extremely verbose and fall in and out of coherency but as Ancient ancestor once say, "Words cannot cook rice." You must be very hungry by now.



Sounds like you still have this little problem with wanting to be a Sherlock, but have to settle for being like Tammy Faye Baker's husband level of success in religion.

Your silence on the issues of the Best Scholarship in the US from U Penn speaking of the Sumerian gods of Anu show up that it is you that have not done the proper reseach and you have denial issues of admitting the fact that this will soon have you on the floor with the same denials as Tammy's hubbie reverting to a state of infancy.

U Penn's has the largest Sumerian Antiquities collections and the best scholarship on the gods of Anu themes, and they speak to a good deal of the type associations that Sitchen makes, and that the Book of Enoch makes, and that the archiological records support. Plus the record of blood linage from the progeny of Adam and Eve.

My theme flows well, it shows the mess of the gods from way back and their being false gods interested in mostly exploitation of Earth for gold and power over the workers.

It shows how this same system is still in place with the issues of false god in the churches, and this same false god worship exists. And how it is tied to the 666 Beast term, and this last great war brewing over the same reasons the 1st and 2nd temple were destroyed.

The Christians and their organized church believes in a faked up god, are front and center for the problems in the end-times, the sins that continue against Jesus name, and the exploitation of man using religion's faked up promisses of presents from Santa Clauss.

My ending, really a proper beginning of real truth, is one in the same for the best explantions of Revelations and the shoes fit well to protect the honest man's soul.


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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by MagnumOpus
One thing that one notices is the Christian Faith feeds off their self promotions of being the only ones connected with god
you must have Christianity confused with Islam?



One notices this salvation story is all about this process to promise some presents from Santa, when the real story is to disconnect men from being men and making them into sheep that wring their hands and run down to the churches to prey. All that does is empower the chuches to lord over sheep, as they are no longer men.
so who doesn't want to live forever?

what makes a man... ripping eachother apart with our bare hands with no system for civility?



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by The GUT

At least you recognize the Fallen Angels, but then you turn around and believe them. Not only that, but you call them "gods" on one hand and portray them as aliens the next.


I think the clearest thing about these beings and Jesus is that there is a spiritual component involved. Some of the best evidence for that comes from a point you mention: Jesus was indeed familiar, it seems, with the Book of Enoch.

In the Holy Bible we see one of the longest off-the-cuff shots in history: The prophecy that the harassed and scattered Jewish peoples would reclaim their land and become a nation again.

In 1947-48 a lot of what can only be called very supernaturally inspired events happen. It was a very fascinating year but for the purposes of this discussion we'll only look at two.

The first, already mentioned, being the Jewish State and the next being the finding of fragments of the Book of Enoch which validated its own historicity.




Interesting, how you are suddenly taking notice of the Book of Enoch and the Jesus likely held same references and understood the creator gods. The interesting thing is Enoch supports a good deal of Sitchen's views on the Creator gods, of the gods of Anu that the U Penn also acknowledges. You know those scholors you missed and now look so embarrassed to admit.


You were so busy casting out diatribes on Myrrh references and now suddenly with your new acclaims on the Book of Enoch that you can't seem to find the issues of the gods of Anu and their appreciation of Myrrh. With your expertise on the BOE, just how did you miss its godly significance of Myrrh?


I know, you are only a wanna-be religous investigator that can overlook the nose of the own face.


There isn't anything special about the Zionists state, all that is about is setting up the same old temple games and trying to control the world and return to the times of the gods of Anu seeking to control and exploit the world. The Jewish blamed the Holocaust on the Catholic's games with Jesus was god and the Jewish killed Jesus. Both are very screwed up faked accounts. Hitler was after the Jesus looking Arians and writing his own bible, and using the Catholic church to promote spying everywhere. The Jewish that were involved in the Veraslles settlements trashed German, and Hitler came along as the Socialist Savior of Germans, and it was time to make a change and cast out the money lenders and the Royalists that sought economic control of Europe and the world. After the war, they adoped Hitler's war machine, IG Farben, as the Bilderberg group.

The Zionists are supported by the Royalist's Bankers, the Rothschilds or the Jewish Bauer family of Germany, who ran to Moma Royalists in the UK when Hitler tossed them out of Germany. They secured the Balfore Agreement for Loans to the US to promiss Palestine to Jewish. UK was slow to do this so the terrorist games of blowing up the King David hotel forced the issues. It is the same old same old game of the money and power connected with the Royalists and their same lust for power, greed, and control as those of their early fathers, the gods of Anu.


1947 and 48 had a number of problems with ending the OSS, and Truman helping to find a place to stick the Jewish and their religion that followed the faked gods of Anu, so they would not fight with those that promoted the fake god Jesus. When all they can toss out is a lie and both lies linked to the greeds of these old fake god methods what does one expect but constant fighting. It is like mass insanity this religion faith in fake gods.

Which is why the common ground is going to be the simple truths, both these god concepts are fake. Neither has the high ground for the truth, they both prescribe to fake gods-----the little g. They both seem to be ignorant of the issues for what the Big G God is about and that there is no image to show this entity.

Which leaves at the driver for the End-Times, when the corrupted record of the political church is challenged in another war, and many will die for the lies of religions. But, then comes the truth at great cost.

The greedy only change with a great and devastating pain, so for living your lives of lies, there comes the cost of your Sins on the corruptions of the teachings of Jesus.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide

Originally posted by MagnumOpus
One thing that one notices is the Christian Faith feeds off their self promotions of being the only ones connected with god
you must have Christianity confused with Islam?



One notices this salvation story is all about this process to promise some presents from Santa, when the real story is to disconnect men from being men and making them into sheep that wring their hands and run down to the churches to prey. All that does is empower the chuches to lord over sheep, as they are no longer men.
so who doesn't want to live forever?

what makes a man... ripping eachother apart with our bare hands with no system for civility?


Islam worships what appears to be the Big G or GOD. Jewish and Christians worship variants of the little g or the faked gods of Anu.

The gods of Anu are the Yahweh theme, and the Christiand attempt to make Jesus into Yahweh via the faked up Trinity forged into the bible narrative.

There does need to be a value placed for telling the truth, and the Islam speak of Peace with almost every word linked to the greatest prophets. Such pious peoples that value truth always get just rewards.


The reasons all these god followers keep getting into battles is they don't have the real truth, and the conflicts result. The first rule for Civility is you have to have the truth and with truth there is common ground, and with common ground/agreed truth there is no reason for battles. Civilty is the child of truth.

Neither Judaism, nor the Christian political church have the truth on their side, so comes Armageddon.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by MagnumOpus

Islam worships what appears to be the Big G or GOD. Jewish and Christians worship variants of the little g or the faked gods of Anu.
umkay... yeah I seen zitgeist too

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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 04:55 PM
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So, lets do some refinements and points for clarification. Many keep saying, show me some scholarship and the U Penn is the site for Sumerian Scholars, but it is something the Christians can't read.

But, it has some points of interest per the gods of Anu / An:




oracc.museum.upenn.edu...

An/Anu is sometimes credited with the creation of the universe itself, either alone or with Enlil and Ea. Of the three levels of heaven, he inhabited the highest, said to be made of the reddish luludānitu stone (Horowitz 2001: 8-11).




It is this one association with the gods of Anu with the God of the Universe that causes lots of problems in the religion text writing. This is the main reason that I used case sensitive g for fake god theme, and the G for valid God theme.

The point is that the gods of Anu could not have created themselves, so they can not be the God that created the universe type issue. They speak to this with their themes of the Primordial Abyss and the formation of life upon the lands and the tree of life issues that grew on the Primordial Mound.

The gods of Anu should not be considered God in any correct sense, but the Bible theism is highly contaminated with this association that the gods of Anu and God are one in the same.

I claim the difference is obvious. Evolution concepts existed in natures ways before the higher life forms emerged, so the creative forces were in play. But the theme would be the gods of Anu came along after millinea of Darwin type Evolution from the lower to higher species of life.

God cannot Create God, but God can create god, or the gods of Anu. Then the gods of Anu, or the Fertile Cresents gods can do human breeding experiments, to culminate with Adam and Eve, and that following with the Men of Renown. Names then being Enoch, Noah, Nimrod and on down to David, on down to Jesus, on down to Royalist families of Europe, et al.


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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 05:10 PM
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You are no a person of logic I see . Your reality is what is convenient . I now realize that there is a large percentage of people that can't deal with absolutes in their thought processes .

Life is defined as plants , animals or anything with a living cell and eventually man . All of these living celled creatures had to come to be on this earth or somewhere else at some point . You will find that RNA or DNA is the genetic material within a living cell and neither of these components self assimilate in any manner randomly . No scientist will assert that DNA occurs in a living cell spontaneously . The actual beginning of live on this planet where DNA and a living cell first showed up on earth or if you try to say that it came to earth on a meteor or comet that same beginning had to start some how some where . Carl Sagan baffled people by inserting Billions Of Years into the equation . As ridiculous as that claim was , no scientist was going to dump in his mess kit by defying the Grand Master of Science . And who could live long enough to prove him wrong ?



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by MagnumOpus
U Penn's has the largest Sumerian Antiquities collections and the best scholarship on the gods of Anu themes, and they speak to a good deal of the type associations that Sitchen makes, and that the Book of Enoch makes, and that the archiological records support.

Are you so obtuse & clueless as to assert that U Penn believes the Sumerian mythology as fact and sides with Sitchin?!

Any modestly intelligent researcher can see that they are discussing just that: Mythology. A mythology that even the Sumerians couldn't agree on according to U Penn.

How ridiculous that makes you and obvious to pretty much anyone who looks at it.


You try and make fun of other's research skills and your deficiencies are glaring. All those stars you aren't racking up should clue you in to how serious folk are taking your self-professed "scholarship."
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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 06:25 PM
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Usually a great deal of ignorance supported by extreme arrogance, and this is the mark of the Christian today, in too many cases. It is the arrogance for those that don't understand the 666 years of the temple deaths.

One would think the Christians would be doing some serious self assessments if the Revelations story tells them only 144,000 get to be saved, and that the church itself is political and corrupt. Yet, the vapid Christian thinks just because I said I believe in Jesus that he qualifies, cause the preacher said so.

That isn't what the book tells, as you might not be on firm foundations if it is the clay from the gods of Anu:




www.allthingsfulfilled.com...

144000 in Heaven in Revelation, Who Are They?



Most Christians can't really tell if their feet are made of clay, as the Preacher only wanted their money. He didn't want an intelligent Congregation that works on the truth, and able to deal with metohore..

Yet, the Bible tells in allegorical imagery and metaphore where lies the problems




www.bible-prophecy.net...

"Behold a certain great image! That image stood before you with a brilliant brightness; and its form was dreadful. The head of this image was of fine gold; its breasts and its arms were of silver, its belly and its thighs of bronze; its legs of iron, its feet were partly of iron and partly of clay" (Dan.2:31-33 Para.).



If one knows the story of the gods of Anu, one knows it begins in Eridu and the lands of clay as the foundations, and that these gods valued gold as their ultimate glory. These feet of clay cultures were supported by the legs of Iron or the weapons of Rome and Greece, and the belly and thighs of bronze culture swords of Babylon, and finially the rest of the body via money of silver.

This is basically the Beast of Armageddon formed from the wrong elements of religion supporting a bogus concept for god. The clay of the area of Sumeria, Eridu, is where the beast comes out of the great Abyss. As it develops and becomes part of the politics and religions of countries, it takes on ten heads. Only a principle four are involved in the final show down, that sounds like a nuclear war. All ten heads of the Beast have to be chopped off, so it cannot be restored. One of those heads involves the corrupt political Christian Churches.

In reality, most all the Christians feet are made of this Clay, which was the foundation of god in these ancient times. But, in the end-times, a great stone will smash all those so oriented. The Stone wielded by Jesus, who appears to have discovered the issues of god and God.


There is a lot of allegory in the Bible that goes right over the Christians minds, as they serve Satan. Even the story for Jesus birth involves the Wise Men from the East, who come with blessing of gold, frankensense, and myrrh, which are the blessings of the god themes of Babylon and the Creator gods from there. The gods of Anu could be considered Wise Men in the strict sense of not being god.


Even the Solomon's Temple faces East, because that is the area of Eden and the Fertile Crescent gods of Sumeria.

It is all in the book very symbolically and if you know the key poiints it becomes quite easy to grasp as to what persons like John, with Revelations, was trying to explain with so much metaphoric methods.


It remains that the Christians like Jesus in a Santa Suit, and they like the promise of presents, but they haven't been good and their souls and foundations are made of clay. They needed to see the stone, but only were served up cheep clay in a political church corrupt of its existance.


If you know the teachings of Masons, you also discover why they like the theme for foundations made of stone and have no use for souls of clay foundations.


While the Masons, who worked on stone, discovered the inner secrets for god and God, the rest of the world, the temple priests, all forgot the essential ingredients for a pious man of God. The templars found it, and the poor man, but those rooted in money have souls of clay.


Yet, a 144,000 remain standing upon firm foundations of stone.


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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 06:43 PM
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Boy are you wrong.


You have not read Revelations , thats for sure . You are misled , misinformed and 100% wrong . Revelations chapter 7 says 144,000 virgin Jewish men sealed with the seal of God will be put on earth during the pouring out of the wrath . Chapter 7 verse 9 speaks of a multitude that no man can number with white robes before the throne of God .



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by SimonPeter
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Boy are you wrong.


You have not read Revelations , thats for sure . You are misled , misinformed and 100% wrong . Revelations chapter 7 says 144,000 virgin Jewish men sealed with the seal of God will be put on earth during the pouring out of the wrath . Chapter 7 verse 9 speaks of a multitude that no man can number with white robes before the throne of God .


Nope, it says 144,000 of the Sons from the tribes of Israel. They don't gotta be Jewish at all.

In fact, they can't be Jewish in religion because the Jewish Yahweh is not the god of Jesus. They have to be more of the Essene Jewish group, which became basically the first Christians under James. The Virgin theme is also an Essene term, as all the Essene were celbates, never married, all Virgins. This is the Essene trademark. They had nothing to do with the 2nd temple and distanced themselve from its pagan practices.

Half of America qualifies as Sons or decendents of the tribes of Israel. Essene is a bit of a choice.

Just be somehow related back in family to this region, not be Yahwey followers, or these issues of god from the Abyss. It means you gotta be of the Essene purity of religion.


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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 07:16 PM
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I'm pretty sure everybody that has ever read the bible and those that checked out my comment can see that you have not verified your assertion . You persist to be wrong ! Take a minute and re read it ! Chapter 7 of Revelations states the 144,000 is VIRGIN JEWISH MEN with no guile in their mouth and they will preach the Gospel on earth during the Wrath portion of the Tribulation . It's in black and white .



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by SimonPeter
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I'm pretty sure everybody that has ever read the bible and those that checked out my comment can see that you have not verified your assertion . You persist to be wrong ! Take a minute and re read it ! Chapter 7 of Revelations states the 144,000 is VIRGIN JEWISH MEN with no guile in their mouth and they will preach the Gospel on earth during the Wrath portion of the Tribulation . It's in black and white .


I've have read it, many times and it speaks to Essene Jewish Community, the same ones that Jesus had the Last Supper with.

You read about the Essene and you will find Jewish men of the various tribes that were like John The Baptist, like Jesus origins in religious teachings.

The Essene are considered to be the only pious and pure persons that speak of God. They were a Jewish group in Mt. Carmel, South Jerusalem, Qunram, and Therapure in Egypt. The most virtuous and honest of all men, so much so their word was never questioned.

The Essene had the Book of Enoch, and the Jewish temple types had nothing to do with the Book of Enoch.




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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 07:20 PM
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The King James bible is what I am quoting .



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 07:29 PM
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I am quoting writtings from those who followed Jesus . Those other groups who were not associated with Jesus or the main church can write anything .The fact that they did somehow confirm the Jewish bible is great but I don't think they followed Jesus .



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by SimonPeter
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I'm pretty sure everybody that has ever read the bible and those that checked out my comment can see that you have not verified your assertion . You persist to be wrong ! Take a minute and re read it ! Chapter 7 of Revelations states the 144,000 is VIRGIN JEWISH MEN with no guile in their mouth and they will preach the Gospel on earth during the Wrath portion of the Tribulation . It's in black and white .


I'm coming in to this thread kinda late, but I have been following it, with all its twists and turns. Now we're looking at Revelation, Chapter 7, KJV, right?

Okay, here's the 144,000:


4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.


Okay, that was the 144,000. Now here are more people, of all nations and kindreds and tongues, unlike the144,000 these multitudes are described to be in white robes,


9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.


So, they multitudes in the white robes are the ones who came out of the tribulation. It doesn't say that they were only men, nor Jewish virgins, free of guile in their mouths. Where is that? Wrong chapter maybe?

It looks like quite a party going on to me! Can't wait to attend in person!



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by SimonPeter
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The King James bible is what I am quoting .


This is Revelations for Heavens Sake, John speaks in allegory and metaphore.

9/10s of the Christians problems with reading Revelations is the organized Churches don't teach about the Essenes and they don't teach about the Book of Enoch.

This means you are literally skipped school for that which is essential to understand Jesus, Revelations, and the metaphore speak of Revelations.

The Essene had a whole quater of Jerusalem in the times of Jesus and the Upper Room for the Last Supper was there. John the Baptist was one of the Essene. Jesus appears highly Essene trained, and all the magic of healing that he was accused was the healing arts of the Therapute of Egypt, which is where they ran in the times of Herod.

Learn about the Essene, and don't go under the assumption that you know everything because you read one book and didn't read the other information that organized political religion has suppressed.

John speaks of those like the Essene, as Jesus sure isn't going to select from the same idiots that demanded he be killed. There will be no Sadducee or Pharisees in the 144, 000, but the Zionists and other political factions would like you to think otherwise.

Since the Essene blended with the first church of Christ, in the times of James, the more Essene oriented Christians can fit John's metaphore. These days, the Essene quarter is gone due to this. But there are still some that follow the Essene religion around, just very few compared to the Beast worshiping Christians.




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