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GOD created ADAM and EVE ... NOT ADAM and STEVE, or AMANDA and EVE !!!
Any other orifice in the human body cannot pro-create when the "Parts" are inserted. DUH !!!
As far as the "HATE" issue... GOD, Jesus, Christians, and myself, L O V E all PEOPLE !!!
I know. I was in a horrible SIN-FILLED lifestyle, until Jesus set me free
reply to post by Agoyahtah
Yeh, there are many other types of "sexuality" floating around in society, all being "minority" groups.
Some people love animals, why should they not be allowed to marry? Some people only love themselves.
Everyone should have the same rights.
There are even people who love the dead.
After all, they are all spreading the love around in different ways, bringing more love into the world.
I fight for the equal rights for all.
How do you know if love is "reciprocated" when two living people marry or form unions?
what they really mean is that Christians don't give the activities of the flesh the same high value as they do themselves.
Originally posted by Agoyahtah
Originally posted by EarthCitizen23
reply to post by Agoyahtah
Actually, I should have said I have Pity for you.
Pity is fine. Sorry is fine. It's all good. Whatever emotion arises within you, it's your property, your wealth, your joy to experience.
I hardly think that all LIFE is about sex,, given that I am Celibate for some time now.
But, homosexuality is all about sex.
But, I hardly think in such puritanical terms as you lay out for humanity. Life is Diverse and even if you can't admit it,, Homosexual behavior is NATURAL or it WOULD NEVER OCCUR...
Lots of things are natural. Cancer is natural. Diabetes is natural. Being born blind is natural. True, there is diversity in life. But, we don't seek to celebrate and promote all of the diversity we see. Some of the diverse things that make up natural life are abhorrent to some of us. We try to eliminate Cancer, and cure diabetes, and help the blind to find their way around in this world. We do all of this because some of those natural things rob us of the best expressions of life.
to be other than natural,, means to be synthetic,, man made.
Sex is part of our animal nature,, sorry you deny that side of your humanity and hold such exclusive views for yourself,, much less the rest of us,, who don't even agree with you ..
Sure, some people believe Cancer should not be treated as a disease. It's natural, God must have sent it to do its work for a good reason, so why should man interfere with those things that are natural?
In fact, some religious folk refuse to send their children to the doctor, they pray instead.
Many views exist out there in the land.
you think I am trying to saddle Two Horses? That is funny. Where did I do this?
Well, if you're celibate, as you say, then you're not currently feeding on the lusts of the flesh, so that leaves only one horse left, the spirit to dwell upon. Maybe God in his wisdom arranged your life to remove the temptations so that you could be celibate at this time, lucky you, to see the other side of life.
Who are you to judge any of my Spiritual experiences,, much less my sexual ones,,, did Jehovah die and grant you this power?
I'm not your judge. If anything, you're judging yourself right now.
by my Native teachers I have been called TWO SPIRIT,,
now Two Fleshed,,
you Christians can be so humorous,, sad you are not trying to be funny.
again,, sorry was the wrong word
No Native teacher has ever been two spirit, now you're making things up.
edit on 9-8-2012 by Agoyahtah because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Arles Morningside
Yah, but what about the transgender a'genda'? I'm feeling left out here. The gay agenda shouldn't have all the assimilation fun!
Fine... I suppose you can join our club too!
Inevitably, I sense that there is going to be conflict between our different side's unfathomable need for conquest (especially of good wholesome straight people and aliens as well as possiable entities from other levels of being), so at some point we should consider working out some treaties.
If we were attacked by a hostile alien race I bet in a round-about way it would solve these equality issues as we'd be forced to unite Or maybe it would just end up being human and alien fundamentalists against human and alien anti-relgion
And there it is.... That is the point of this forum.
The agenda is not LEGAL right to marry
the homosexual agenda will continue a crusade to try and change Christian Doctrine to suit their needs..
The homosexuals or those in the movement that have responded to this thread have all with few exceptions, triedto convince everybody of an alternative Christian doctrine, telling us that Jesus doesn't care about our sin... It is a HUGE conspiracy...
Originally posted by sensible1
Legal right to try and change Christian doctrine so it makes you happy?
No!
I have no problem with gays marrying and doing whatever makes them happy as long as my rights are not impeded...
This is not the issue.. I don't hate gays or anybody for that matter. The problem is that some of the most influential gays in the world are using the gay marriage debate as a foil to fight Jesus, and to say He stands for things he obviously did not. And you have no right to.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen23
reply to post by Djayed
So,, I have made up a whole cultural and spiritual concept that Native tribes have held,,, damn I am good.
for your edification. Please educate yourself
Wiki Info on Two Spirit Souls
The Two Spirit Tradition
Two Spirit Documentary
Oh yeah,, and again You Still have Ignored the Fact that I was Able to name a ''Big" religion that is OK with Homosexuals and their place in the Great Mysteries Universe here on Earth!! And It isn't the ONLY ONE!!
Nice that you were so sure I could not do such a thing.....
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by EarthCitizen23
Was that a reply to Djayed or Agoyahtah?
I can vouch for what you're talking about, I remember a lot of that from the Native American history class I took a couple years ago. Really interesting stuff
Originally posted by EarthCitizen23
Agoyahtah, but if Djayed has the same views as Agoyahtah,, then for them also.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen23
reply to post by Djayed
My Apologies Djayed,, I saw that I clicked reply to your post to Agoyahtah ,, and didn't realize it.
Then wasn't sure until rereading your post where you actually stand,,,
hopefully together on this,,, My sincere apologies
I edited my mistake,,, think I should slow down here,,,lol these threads get me going ,,,, sorry.edit on 8/9/2012 by EarthCitizen23 because: edit explaination
Originally posted by sensible1
Originally posted by wittgenstein
Here “sensible1” I will make it so simple that even you can understand my point! Fundamentalists are not Christian. They worship the antichrist (in other words the opposite of everything Jesus stood for and preached).
You obviously embrace “supply side Jesus” and think that anyone that doesn’t is against Christianity and un-American. In other words you are so ignorant of your own Bible that you (like a sheep) follow the antichrist, and are against the American values of freedom!
Look pal, you can believe anything you want to, just don't try to march into our churches like Anderson Cooper and tell US what to believe.. ]edit on 9-8-2012 by sensible1 because: (no reason given)edit on 9-8-2012 by sensible1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Agoyahtah
Originally posted by Arles Morningside
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy
Yah, but what about the transgender a'genda'? I'm feeling left out here. The gay agenda shouldn't have all the assimilation fun!
Yeh, there are many other types of "sexuality" floating around in society, all being "minority" groups.
Some people love animals, why should they not be allowed to marry? Some people only love themselves.
Why can't a person marry himself or herself, and get all those tax breaks too? Life's unfair.
Everyone should have the same rights.
There are even people who love the dead. Necrophiliacs should have the same rights as Homosexuals too.
After all, they are all spreading the love around in different ways, bringing more love into the world.
Originally posted by Arles Morningside
Originally posted by Agoyahtah
Originally posted by Arles Morningside
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy
Yah, but what about the transgender a'genda'? I'm feeling left out here. The gay agenda shouldn't have all the assimilation fun!
Yeh, there are many other types of "sexuality" floating around in society, all being "minority" groups.
Some people love animals, why should they not be allowed to marry? Some people only love themselves.
Why can't a person marry himself or herself, and get all those tax breaks too? Life's unfair.
Everyone should have the same rights.
There are even people who love the dead. Necrophiliacs should have the same rights as Homosexuals too.
After all, they are all spreading the love around in different ways, bringing more love into the world.
The minority should be protected against the tyranny of the majority.
I can't really comment much on marriage because If I were to be married, it would be with myself. But it seems to me that your are adressing non-human, inanimate and non-conscentual, something totally different than two conscentual adults of the same sex wishing their union to be recognized legally and equally.
You seem to be more interesting about all the naughty, dirty, sexy things that people are doing in the world. I can't say i'm surprised, threads like these tend to start out on the subject and then all you 'righteous' folk come out of the woodwork and start elaborating on graphic TMI sexual details. Makes one wonder...aha-ha.
Originally posted by Agoyahtah
Originally posted by EarthCitizen23
First I am sorry you believe ALL Sex is Sin,, You are SO missing out on LIFE.
and if your next statement,, (and I have seen others here take this stance) is true.
That's ok. You can feel sorry. You have to give up something to get certain other things. It is really difficult to "straddle" two horses at the same time. You have to make a choice, which horse to ride today. If you think all LIFE is about sex, then you can't see the other side.
Why Hold that ''special Remedy" out of reach to homosexuals,,, you seem all up in their sex lives anyway,,, so if there is a Remedy,, special or not,, why not allow the gay people to have that ''remedy'' since you believe ALL SEX IS SINFUL..
Maybe it would benefit everyone.
It doesn't benefit homosexuals, because they can't have children. It's God's design, that is the problem for gays.
Gay people would grow up knowing that when they found the ''ONE" that they could plan a life of love together in holy wedded matrimony,,, and sip of some of that ''Special Remedy"
Special Remedy,,,, now that is Rich.
There's no remedy there, because gays cannot get married. They can get the civil law to change, to make everyone "call" their union a marriage, but that doesn't make the cure work. They can't become "one flesh":
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. KJV Genesis 2:24
And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed. KJV Genesis 2:25
Homosexuals remain "two flesh" unions.
Only when man and his wife form a union can they both be naked together and not be "ashamed", because they have become "one flesh". The man is no longer lusting after another's flesh, his wife and he share that one flesh, blessed in union by the Lord.The proof of the "one flesh" is the children they produce that are part mom and part dad in "one flesh."
Originally posted by Agoyahtah
Originally posted by EarthCitizen23
reply to post by Agoyahtah
Actually, I should have said I have Pity for you.
Pity is fine. Sorry is fine. It's all good. Whatever emotion arises within you, it's your property, your wealth, your joy to experience.
I hardly think that all LIFE is about sex,, given that I am Celibate for some time now.
But, homosexuality is all about sex.
But, I hardly think in such puritanical terms as you lay out for humanity. Life is Diverse and even if you can't admit it,, Homosexual behavior is NATURAL or it WOULD NEVER OCCUR...
Lots of things are natural. Cancer is natural. Diabetes is natural. Being born blind is natural. True, there is diversity in life. But, we don't seek to celebrate and promote all of the diversity we see. Some of the diverse things that make up natural life are abhorrent to some of us. We try to eliminate Cancer, and cure diabetes, and help the blind to find their way around in this world. We do all of this because some of those natural things rob us of the best expressions of life.
to be other than natural,, means to be synthetic,, man made.
Sex is part of our animal nature,, sorry you deny that side of your humanity and hold such exclusive views for yourself,, much less the rest of us,, who don't even agree with you ..
Sure, some people believe Cancer should not be treated as a disease. It's natural, God must have sent it to do its work for a good reason, so why should man interfere with those things that are natural?
In fact, some religious folk refuse to send their children to the doctor, they pray instead.
Many views exist out there in the land.
you think I am trying to saddle Two Horses? That is funny. Where did I do this?
Well, if you're celibate, as you say, then you're not currently feeding on the lusts of the flesh, so that leaves only one horse left, the spirit to dwell upon. Maybe God in his wisdom arranged your life to remove the temptations so that you could be celibate at this time, lucky you, to see the other side of life.
Who are you to judge any of my Spiritual experiences,, much less my sexual ones,,, did Jehovah die and grant you this power?
I'm not your judge. If anything, you're judging yourself right now.
by my Native teachers I have been called TWO SPIRIT,,
now Two Fleshed,,
you Christians can be so humorous,, sad you are not trying to be funny.
again,, sorry was the wrong word
No Native teacher has ever been two spirit, now you're making things up.
edit on 9-8-2012 by Agoyahtah because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Djayed
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Arles Morningside
Yah, but what about the transgender a'genda'? I'm feeling left out here. The gay agenda shouldn't have all the assimilation fun!
Fine... I suppose you can join our club too!
Inevitably, I sense that there is going to be conflict between our different side's unfathomable need for conquest (especially of good wholesome straight people and aliens as well as possiable entities from other levels of being), so at some point we should consider working out some treaties.
If we were attacked by a hostile alien race I bet in a round-about way it would solve these equality issues as we'd be forced to unite Or maybe it would just end up being human and alien fundamentalists against human and alien anti-relgion
I guess we just have to admit, we were sent here by Anderson Cooper, our Gay Agenda Leader. All hail the cooper our most important gay. LOL