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"Are you a mason?" "Of course I am!"

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posted on May, 25 2012 @ 11:09 PM
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Just to hammer in my point in case it is not crystel clear by now, Bennito Mussolini was blaming State Capitalism when he said corporations merge with the government. That is why National Socialists hate capitalism and fought against the allies....they feared corporatism, which is what we have in america and many other countries.

The fact people THINK america is turning fascist/socialist is because of all the stupid zionist propaganda the last 60 years. Zionists control the media, wall street, hollywood and military. They even exaggerated the holocaust from 3 million dead jews to 6 million...not suprisingly I might add...and then go to palestine to unsettle and cause problems for the entire middle east. And what about the gypsies and communists who got killed...strangely enough zero mention.

Corporatism=Capitalism! Capitalism+Religion=Conspiracy. Masons believe in both!!




posted on May, 26 2012 @ 01:04 AM
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Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.

Should people just take it on the chin from an oppressive government? Revolution and liberation was the only righteous thing to do at the time.

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Masonism? That is a first...lol

From your humble research, what constitutes a high level? The highest of the high?

I mentioned this to another poster, but do you think we just joined without doing any research? No offense, but do you think yourself so clever that you found something we could not in our own research? Do you think us mindless drones who joined without thought? Do you think that we just stopped doing research after we joined? Do you not find it somewhat arrogant in what you said?

People join Freemasonry for various reasons. As to what Freemasonry is for, even Masons debate that to this day.

You say Masons sit upon powerful stations around the world, but can you give examples? Too many times, vague generalities are thrown into the mix, but very little do we see substantiation.

reply to post by Shoujikina
 

I never realized that "ether" was taboo. Alchemy is a fascinating subject, but I'm very much a novice on that subject. I've never given much credence to the condemnation of the churches on certain symbols.

We haven't whitewashed our organization just cleaning off the mud people like you have slung at us. We stand by truth and truth will preserve us.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 

One only needs to look at history to see why Freemasonry met privately. Today we meet in private out of tradition, but we also have the right to privacy and assembly.

Everyone has secrets and deals in secrecy. There is nothing wrong with secrecy.

Freemasonry has nothing to do with aliens and demons. lol Greed has no place in masonry, but thanks for trying. Your pathetic attack is noted.

So if we must "graduate up the ranks" to learn the real truth how did you find out so much? Arrogant much?

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The Freemasons are about the free mind, the free thinker. Too many condemn us for our "secrecy", but what they are really condemning is that they fear they are not able to manipulate the information if they did not have ready access to it.

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Freemasonry an arm of the Vatican? LOL



posted on May, 26 2012 @ 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by b3l13v3

Originally posted by protocolsoflove
And dualism rears it's filthy head. There's the admission right there. Lucifer/Satan/God are all the same thing. Don't believe these lies!!!!!


Excuse me?

Please elaborate. This doesn't make any sense.


Originally posted by HamrHeed
They're all the same? Wow, how did you figure that out? No jokes, I would like to know.
Or is it a secret? Do I have to join a club to find out? lol


Well... it's not really a secret club. I was just stating that the idealism of something good to save you from something bad is not going to take you very far in life.

You have to realize there is good and there is bad, and you must accept both as part of reality. If you can understand that, then typically you'll do what is good.
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You got owned



posted on May, 26 2012 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by KSigMasonThe Freemasons are about the free mind, the free thinker. Too many condemn us for our "secrecy", but what they are really condemning is that they fear they are not able to manipulate the information if they did not have ready access to it.


But your free mind cannot freely utter a word about the goings on at one of your meetings or services/gatherings?

Free to think only there way of thinking? It seems very controlling rather the "free".

I understand a certain amount of secrecy every organisation has it as well is every one of us and it's needed but to a certain point and then it just seems sketchy.
Also the comment about the church condemning freemasonry that being why it is so secret?
There is and has been a lot of groups that stray from the conventional way of the church but still are open if not try to preach lounder about there beliefs and what they practice with the church just saying sure whatever go and do your own thing, with Jonestown in mind but not relating the two but thats where i get confused on the matter.

And so in my time of need can i knock upon a masonic lodge door during a service and be greeted with open arms and sit in on the service like i could in a church? we have herd the good work a mason caring for the old and sick in his community and how they are for the good but is it just when it suits them? and to have an answer for the "Freemasons are evil" question? if i haven't gone way of track that is?

Im not trying to be a prick about your and your fellow brothers beliefs or way of life. I believe in freedom for every man to choose there own life and i respect that but these are just a few things that just do not sit right with me.



posted on May, 26 2012 @ 04:33 AM
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Freemasonry, if it is as powerful as they say, is dangerous. Any group which has this much alleged influence shouldn't be allowed to keep secrets. There is definitely an NWO being set up behind our backs, but are the Freemasons behind it all? I'm not sure.



posted on May, 26 2012 @ 04:43 AM
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Originally posted by PeaceNLove123
Freemasonry, if it is as powerful as they say, is dangerous. Any group which has this much alleged influence shouldn't be allowed to keep secrets. There is definitely an NWO being set up behind our backs, but are the Freemasons behind it all? I'm not sure.


They are allowed to keep it secret because they are in governments and governments run the show.



posted on May, 26 2012 @ 07:50 AM
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edit on 26-5-2012 by McGinty because: Dumb question




posted on May, 26 2012 @ 08:15 AM
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Albert Pike said the god of Freemasons is Lucifer and that is correct. It's also correct that they are Luciferian and believe in neither a god or devil. But believe the creation story in Genesis is a metaphor. That man was held prisoner in the garden and that man was set free from ignorance through Satan by saying you shall not die but be as god. Through the gift of intellect, man will conquer nature, conquer man and be 'god'. It's the worship of the intellect. Freemasons, all the mystery schools are one in the same. You cannot be a true Christian and know what Freemasonry is really about.

God is not the great architect of the universe. An architect takes what is already made and uses that to create something. God is the creator of everything out of nothing. If you want to to really be informed on what Freemasonry really is, its history and the goal of it then listen to the broadcasts of William Cooper. I'm educated now and nothing you Masons say will change my mind or anyone else that knows the truth. Thanks to people like William Cooper that told us to research everything, Freemasons and others will continue to be exposed.

William Cooper- The God of Freemasonry
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posted on May, 26 2012 @ 08:37 AM
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Yes he is of the luciferian. Anyone whom is very famous and in the public eye a lot has sworn a luciferian oath... I strongly suggest watching the bob Dylan video where he admits it.

I totally agree with the guy above me. I too have educated myself through William cooper for many years RIP... If you want truth on these knuckleheads, check him out.
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posted on May, 26 2012 @ 08:44 AM
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Ignorance is Bliss. Try to limit your bliss.
Believing in an admitted hoax is not a good way to live life. Don't be that guy.



posted on May, 26 2012 @ 08:48 AM
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I know about Léo Taxil. Everything I said is the truth. Maybe you'll wake up some day because you're a fool if you think you're a god or can ever be.
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posted on May, 26 2012 @ 10:46 AM
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and to be clear, i am not a freemason.. but i know and understand all their teachings. i know that they are founded upon the mission of assisting in the spiritual evolution of mankind. yes all mankind without discrimination of race.



apparently not all mankind, if you don't hold a belief in some great diety then I suppose your SOL?



posted on May, 26 2012 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by soaringhawk
reply to post by network dude
 


I know about Léo Taxil. Everything I said is the truth. Maybe you'll wake up some day because you're a fool if you think you're a god or can ever be.
edit on 26-5-2012 by soaringhawk because: (no reason given)


So you know what I believe now?

I would tell you all about what masonry is and what I believe but I don't think you could understand so enjoy the "knowledge" you think you have. In fact, I think you should tell everyone, that way, they will all know how large your brain is.



posted on May, 26 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by yellowsnow
 


Just to hammer in my point in case it is not crystel clear by now, Bennito Mussolini was blaming State Capitalism when he said corporations merge with the government. That is why National Socialists hate capitalism and fought against the allies...


Corporatism=Capitalism! Capitalism+Religion=Conspiracy. Masons believe in both!!


I'm gonna have to politely say you are wrong about this. Capitalism=free market system....
Corporatist economy=government interference in market (subsidies, bailouts, perks for favored corporation, protected monopolies).....(wow.. wiki removed "corporatist economy" and wrote a new positive write up on Corporatism, no wonder you are confused.)

And Mussolini brought in Fascism by first rooting in a Corporatist economic system.

And yes socialism, communism, and fascism all require a large intrusive government and all end in elitist control. Some times more subtle and sometimes more totalitarian.



And to the post that blew off my comment about Masons being an arm of the Vatican. Did you watch the videos from page 9? They talk about the beginning of Masons and who started them. You can't just ignore the history and tell everyone what you would like them to think about Masons.



posted on May, 26 2012 @ 12:13 PM
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So Albert Pike and Aleister Crowley were not masons then?



posted on May, 26 2012 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by soaringhawk
Albert Pike said the god of Freemasons is Lucifer and that is correct. It's also correct that they are Luciferian and believe in neither a god or devil. But believe the creation story in Genesis is a metaphor. That man was held prisoner in the garden and that man was set free from ignorance through Satan by saying you shall not die but be as god. Through the gift of intellect, man will conquer nature, conquer man and be 'god'. It's the worship of the intellect. Freemasons, all the mystery schools are one in the same. You cannot be a true Christian and know what Freemasonry is really about.

God is not the great architect of the universe. An architect takes what is already made and uses that to create something. God is the creator of everything out of nothing. If you want to to really be informed on what Freemasonry really is, its history and the goal of it then listen to the broadcasts of William Cooper. I'm educated now and nothing you Masons say will change my mind or anyone else that knows the truth. Thanks to people like William Cooper that told us to research everything, Freemasons and others will continue to be exposed.

William Cooper- The God of Freemasonry
edit on 26-5-2012 by soaringhawk because: (no reason given)


You're the only other person here who I've seen mention Bill Cooper. RIP.

Thanks for the info, it would do everyone good to listen to Cooper's Mystery Babylon series.



posted on May, 26 2012 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by ConspiracyBuff
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So Albert Pike and Aleister Crowley were not masons then?


They were masons indeed. What masonry does to cover this up is say that Crowley was not a member of a "recognized" lodge.



posted on May, 26 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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Can anyone actually prove that Aleister Crowley was a freemason?
By prove, I mean provide some sort of record?
As far as I can tell, the only person who claimed this was Crowley himself.
And, sweet Lord of Hell, the man loved to lie.



posted on May, 26 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by ConspiracyBuff
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So Albert Pike and Aleister Crowley were not masons then?


Albert Pike was a mason, Crowley was an Irregular mason. He was not part of a recognized group. Kind of like if you started a club, called it masonry, and then let in someone like Proctologistoflove. It would be called masonry, but it would not be the same.



posted on May, 26 2012 @ 12:30 PM
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which hoax? B. Cooper, or A.Pike?



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