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posted on May, 25 2012 @ 06:42 PM
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You're right, there are a lot of hatred filled animals out there trying to destroy honest good men.

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We conceal no truth, just trying to dispel your malicious and blatant lies.




posted on May, 25 2012 @ 06:52 PM
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I was not meaning as in one person asking a mason there going on's but just in general. People know of you but nothing about you.

My good friends father in law is a mason here in NZ and he has asked but was just told it's mostly about rituals which has me asking what for?

The name calling etc. i guess just comes with being under the secret society category but yes I don't have first hand knowledge only second hand intel and teachings which fuels my opinion towards the masons and i apologize if i offend.



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by protocolsoflove
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A star for you endwise


I believe that many who claim ignorance in the craft are feigning such and have much more strategy than some would let on. Notice how desperate the efforts are here to keep these truths concealed and to keep the waters murky with back and forth off topic arguments.

Then again for those like us who are capable of rational free thought, with oaths bound only to god and not any mortal man, the truth is plain to see.
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Thank you and very well put. I did not think of it that way but now it is clearer.



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 07:15 PM
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George washington was a freemason and lead the civil war to liberate his ppl. how is that satanic?


How is leading a WAR not satanic? I don't think that as a manifestation there can be anything more satanic on a planet than a war! War is HELL. Hell is satan's playground.

To liberate SOME people in expense of OTHER people (whom you cold-bloodedly murder, as if their lives have no value) is definitely satanic. To liberate ALL people would be heavenly.

Georgy was no saint.
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posted on May, 25 2012 @ 07:17 PM
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My grandfather was a Shriner, a third-degree mason. I've never firgured it out and probably never will, but I do know that there is a network of men/wormen who live like this. They get kicked out of churches for it, and ridiculed for it by the fundamentalists, but from what I see, they are essentially good people, trying to do something good for their community.



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 07:27 PM
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About masonism.. well, I do not claim to know everything about it. But according to my humble research and investigations (and yes, I even read the whole whitewashing-attempt at wikipedia - I recommend it to see some incredible attempts at explaining something shady into something divinely wonderful), there is definitely something fishy about it all.

The rumor is that only the very highest of the high know the TRUE motives and attitudes, the meaning and the purpose of the masonic rituals and the whole lodge system and everything about freemasonry. The lower you are in hierarchy, the more you are deceived. The lowest in the hierarchy are fed total bs about things, and they keep repeating this to the public, and then no one knows what to think anymore. The lower in the hierarchy are more like 'useful idiots' or 'well-meaning victims' than truly evil people, in my view of the matter. And it's information is very carefully guarded and protected, and one only gets more and better information by 'advancing' levels, and going through 'initiations' (which probably resemble the real initiations that were done in ancient Egypt, but I'd suspect with an evil twist), tying oneself more and more to the 'brotherhood', until it's practically impossible to ever set oneself free and disclose these things to the public.

But I don't know all this for a fact, it's just what I have concluded and gathered together from bits and pieces, research and investigations, etc.

Still, even if I and everyone else who has ever critisized any lodge in any way or freemasonry in general is 100%, completely and utterly wrong, it doesn't still remove the question:

What is freemasonry really for? Why would anyone become a freemason, just to do some charity and get a ring? If there are no real, individual benefits (that would be impossible to get without freemasonry), why would anyone join?

Freemasons have power. There are freemasons in very powerful places in the world. Thus they can 'grant' things, like earthly riches or power to individuals. Hence it's attractive, especially to the selfish and corrupt kind.

Now, IF this is not true, and freemasons do not have power, don't do anything evil, don't affect anything important - then isn't the whole thing just childish roleplaying game for overaged children? Isn't it then just sillyness and goofiness that shouldn't be so prevalent in the "power circles" of the planet?

No matter how you look at it, if you have a logical mind, there is something fishy about the whole thing. And no whitewashing attempts by the 'useful idiots' can ever remove this fact.



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 07:32 PM
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Yes, the point is spiritual development.



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by sdocpublishing
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Yes, the point is spiritual development.


This doesn't answer anything.

Why would spiritual development need freemasonry? Why would you need freemasonry for spiritual development? Doesn't the spirit develop all the time anyway, through life experiences? Ah, I guess that's the difference between 'spiritual evolution' and 'spiritual development'.

Why would the spirit need a human (or demonic) organization to develop? Something doesn't sound right about that. What a simplified non-explanation you gave me, thanks a lot.

Anyways, to answer a couple of interesting points some people wrote:



This is what is hiding in the square and compass, just connect the missing lines and it forms:

The Seal of Solomon, a talisman of magick, used to conjure and control demons, the sign of Molech also the talisman of Saturn. Wanna see what's on the front side of this ancient pagan seal?


This is actually like a piece of a puzzle, fitting perfectly what I have felt all along, not only about freemasons, but about the 'pentagram' vs. the 'david's star', which looks a lot like the seal of solomon.

You see, pentagram is an innocent symbol, that simply describes the balance of the five elements. The chinese call one of these elements "metal", but ancient mystics, Druids and many Eternal Father's humble and devoted servants (that were burned in inquisitions etc. as witches, because they dared to heal people effectively, just like the 'alternative medicine' nowadays - though the western medicine is really the alternative, as it's history is not many hundreds of years long, but the chinese medicine, for example, spans thousands of years - but I digress) called it "ether".

This word is one of the forbidden taboos these days - dare to mention "ether" or "aether" (or any of it's variations) in any other meaning than the 'generally accepted ones' (radio waves + a substance), and people will label you all kinds of things immediately.

In any case, my theory is that these healers, mystics, druids, etc. knew intuitively, through meditation and other means the same things that the chinese have known for thousands of years, and they used this information about the balance of the five elements a lot in their healing work etc.

But the uninitiated inquisitors and other powerhungry manipulators at the time didn't understand such pentagram figures - and thus condemned it 'the work of the belsebub!'. That's probably the origin of how that innocent and harmless description of how the five elements work (it's really very informative, if you use it right) came to be known as some kind of 'satanic symbol', but the ONLY way to make it so, was to somehow try to make it look VISUALLY like a satan's goat face with horns and a bear etc. (what a childish gimmick, but people bought it).

While the true evil symbol, as I have thought for a long time now, went pretty much unnoticed and even celebrated as the david's star. Just a nice little star symbol, no harm in that, etc.. yeah. Except that it has the number SIX in it, and a number of other interesting features. Pentagram is the number FIVE - how can you call that evil? But the number SIX - that's pretty self-explanatory. This only confirms how messed up EVERYTHING about this planet and the human-created information mess is. It's all corrupted, twisted, distorted and changed from the truth to lies.

Now that I read your post about the seal of solomon, it all makes -perfect- sense. The masons can whitewash their goofy (and evil) organization as much as they want, but this is pretty clear now. I'd like to have more of your information, and try to make something out of it all ..

Please note, that I do not have 100% certainty almost about anything, and the older I get, the less sure I am about things, and seem to have to constantly re-evaluate things, and sometimes I find errors in my previous data/thinking.

Still, there is something interesting about this - there can't be this much smoke (and mirrors) without there being a real fire underneath somewhere...Illuminating (pun intended) the path to truth.



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 08:12 PM
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The guys here seem like gatekeepers in a way. So far, these recent posts have been the most penetrating of the mystery schools and freemasonry.



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 08:23 PM
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Animal souls


This is a tricky subject. Everyone seems to have their opinion about this, and many people don't want to even think about this much (which is understandable, because many people eat flesh on this planet, like barbarians that they are, and they don't want to admit being barbarians, so they just don't want to think about souls or pain of the animals they mercilessly eat, eventhough their bodies do not even completely support meat as nutrition, especially cooked meat that lacks all the (tiny amount of bad quality) nutrients that it might otherwise have).

Some simply conclude that animals have souls, but they are not as intelligent as humans, others try to struggle to explain what is _THE_ definitive difference between humans and animals, and so on. Sometimes certain animals even feel like 'they are almost human'.. it can feel like an animal individual is reading one's mind, even.

Well, let me introduce a theory that takes all these possibilities into account, and explains this whole mess so that no one should have confusion afterwards (but knowing people's ability to accept new information even as a possibility, I predict the confusion will stay).

I stumbled into this theory, when I was trying to ponder about whether animals have Karma or not. I mean, why would cows and pigs (for example) suffer the horrible fate they invariably do, in the slaughterhouses.. that are hidden from the everyday view of the masses? Do they have so much bad Karma? (actually, I still do not have an answer to this one)

This is just a theory, and I only take it as a feasible possibility, or more like 'very likely possibility', but if there's a better theory, I would like to reconsider.

It's all about the journey of the soul. Let's say there's a Divine Being. It was once all there was - in fact, it formed the whole Universe out of itself, and that was simply sparkling bright light with an intelligence. But my guess is that omnipotence+omnipresence+omniscience can be quite boring, because it's so perfect. One comic strip artist then once wrote in his book, that the Omnipotent being can only want 'death', because it has experienced everything else - or more accurately, can experience anything else at will, very easily, and it's boring. Only non-existence would be a 'new and exciting experience' for an Omnipotent being. In his theory, that's how 'big bang' happened - the Omnipotent Being killed itself.

My theory is a bit different - in my viewpoint there's another alternative - killing oneself is not necessary. Just simply SPLIT yourself in many parts, only one (or half) of which is conscious (and omni-everything), and the other half has forgotten and is completely clueless. That way you can experience what it's like to be only 'somewhat potent' and 'not very scient at all', and most definitely 'locally present' only. But at the same time you would retain the omnipotent half to help the other halve's journey. And once the other half has gone through the whole experience rainbow you have created for it, it's now brighter and richer and more exciting, "elevated" or "developed", which is very satisfying. And, now it's the other halve's turn! (Of course this is a simplification, my theory is really more complicated)

So, this being the case, the Omnipotent being divides itself into small, "independent", very amnesic parts.

At first, a 'newborn soul' that's "separated" (though not REALLY separated) from the father-being, needs to learn the basics of the physical dimension, of which it has absolutely zero experience. So at first it incarnates as very large and simple things, like mountains, oceans, forests et cetera - very slow, simple, large manifestations that do not require much movement etc.

The second stage would be plants, bushes, trees, and so on, and throughout plantlife, until the soul has been incarnated many times and has learned enough to be born into something more challenging.

Third stage would be then groups. Groups of insects, schools of fish, even certain birds. This means that ONE soul is "divided" into many in a group (which would explain the way schools of fish and flocks of birds can move "as one"). In other words, it's like a 'group soul' that these animals have.

Fourth stage would then gradually lessen the number of animals in a group, until the last stage is achieved..

Fifth stage would be "twin" animal group. For example horses, dogs and such. This is a peculiar stage compared to the others, because if the other animal dies, the soul now occupies fully only one of the animals. Which means it has now reached the "individual soul" stage. If it's the last incarnation as an animal, before human, it means that the soul -becomes- a human at this point, while still living inside an animal! This explains why some animals feel like real individuals, while others do not!

--- to be continued --



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by stormson

Originally posted by SubPop79
What is even the point of being a freemason? If it is just some bull# club you can say you are a part of, is there any point?



the point of masonry is to join a group that helps others. check out the shriners hospital.

when you join masonry, you adopt a set of values, chief of which is to help others. you also join a long heritage of great men. also, the masons have a philosophy to help "good men become better men". ive seen masons show up on an old persons door step with a wheelchair they needed. no charge, didnt tell her who got her the chair, just left it with good wishes.

youre free to leave at anytime, so long as you keep the "secrets" (however, since you can find everything on the net already, there are no real secrets). do you know why you have to keep the "secrets"? to prove youre a man of your word. nothing more.


Yeah the good ole club. too help others of course. BUT ALL MOST BE DONE IN SECRECY!


Only darkness(synonymous with evil) festers with secrecy, but they don't tell the majority of masons. It is something very few get to experience. You have to earn the trust to be told earth is run by reptillian demons and grey aliens.

It is no coincidence it is an elitist global club that one must generally also believe in some supreme architect. Freemasonry is not just about aliens and demons though, it is also about financial systems domination by private central banking mafia. It is really no coincidence socialism was a failure throughout the world as greed is the middle word of freemasonry. freegreedmasonry!

They create conflicts to depopulate, they create racism, they push for capitalism, conceal ufos&aliens, push for destruction of the middle class....cause they believe in lucifer/antichrist/satan. The eternal foe of christ, god and they holy spirit.

Again most masons are simply naive and get a thrill out of secrecy so they join. They never learn the real secrets I suppose cause they don't earn the member trust to graduate up the ranks. The illuminati controls stuff which is an adjunct of freemasonry. I am not here to smear freemasonry, I am simply calling them accomplices to crime which is true.



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 08:44 PM
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Animal Souls continued


So, while generally, animals cannot act against their programming (instincts), while humans have a free will (and Karmic effect that comes with it), animals do not.

This is the thing that separates humans from the animals - animals do not have INDIVIDUAL souls, and thus no free will, and thus no Karma (I know it's really a name of a law, but I try to simplify things).

It doesn't matter how intelligent an animal is or how dumb a human is. Even a retarded braindamaged comatose human is still a human, and the most ingtelligent trick poodle is still an animal.

Except of course when it occurs that the other animal dies, while it being their last incarnation in animal bodies - so the animal becomes effectively a human in an animal's body. This explains those animals that CAN break their programming and act against their instincts (like a horse that can take a calculated risk to run through fire to save itself from a burning barn - normally, a horse can't do this, because it's an animal and must obey it's fear of fire). And why some animals feel and seem so 'human'. Because they are.

Of course there are stages in human spiritual evolution as well, but that's a bit more difficult and complicated to explain. And I am sure I didn't number or explain the stages correctly - as they say, there's supposedly seven (7) stages in everything. And if six is really the number of the beast - meaning, number of the animal - then a human can still be stuck to the purely animalistic level, without ever really advancing to the true human level. I think this is how humans are controlled, and this is what humans of this planet are powerfully brainwashed to do - keeping them as animalistic (beastly) as possible. Fighting, lusting, worshipping their physical body and it's lusts and desires - the so-called "sensual pleasures", and so on.

It would be very hard to control 7 billion initiated, enlightened Zen-masters, no matter how satanicly clever you are in forming your new world order. That's why the controllers want to keep humans attached to the satanic symbols - to keep them from advancing to the seventh level.

Have you noticed the skull and crossbones almost EVERYwhere? It has been a shocking realization to notice it in every imaginable thing from children's pillows (a "cutesy"-version of that nazi death cult satanic moloch symbol) to pop-idol's costumes and everyday items.

How did humanity let this happen? Like it's NORMAL to walk around in all black clothes with the skulls&crossbones pirate (and I mean the actual pirates who robbed people at sea, slaughtered them and practiced voodoo - yes, they were the original voodoo occult practicers, not the black people in New Orleans, for example - but history has been changed and facts distorted and omitted) symbol in the middle of your chest!

You can make it a game - walk around in any major city, watch a lot of TV, play some video / computer games, read some magazines, watch some movies - and see how many of these symbols you can find. I bet the amount will shock any knowledgeable individual.

In any case, this is the theory that I think is the most likely truth about animal souls - and it probably does have seven stages, though I only listed five (six, if you count the human, heh - but I assure you, it was not intentional) - the point was to just try to somehow explain the main jist of the theory, not to try to be numerologically accurate.

There are still lots of mysteries even with this theory, but it sort of helps me to form a good basis for realizing the differences between humans and animals, and why it's ok to kill insects, but why it's not ok to kill humans, etc. I mean, something has to be killed so that others may live. But I do not consider eating an apple actually killing a being, more like joining the apple's energy into mine. However, I couldn't eat a dog's stomach muscles or cow's chest muscles and think there's no harm done. I know pain has been caused, and an innocent being has been brutally murdered at that point. It could even have been an invididual soul - a human soul in animal's body!

Which means that some meat-eaters might actually be cannibals already..

I suggest vegetarian or vegan diet, for piece of mind, and for ceasing to cause animals suffering and brutal, painful murders.

You can note that I left out whales and dolphins and such. Well, I have interesting theory/knowledge about that. I cannot group them with humans OR animals.

You see, the Jesusfish-symbol comes from Jesus being born in the beginning of the era of the Pisces (but if he was really born in december, then he was a Sagittarius). But the symbol of Pisces was originally two DOLPHINS, not two fish!

Now, why two? Why not just one? You know how dolphins can sleep with only the other half of their brain, and then switch, when the other half wakes up?

------- to be continued -----



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 08:51 PM
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Yeah the good ole club. too help others of course. BUT ALL MOST BE DONE IN SECRECY!


Only darkness(synonymous with evil) festers with secrecy, but they don't tell the majority of masons.


first of all it is done in secrecy because the church persecute masons and the knowledge they wished to preserve of the truth of man's spiritual nature and more.

secondly if you read genesis you will see
"In the beginning all was dark and void" Then the lord created light.

this suggests that darkness is being closer to God than light since before there was light there was darkness. your perception has been screwed up by the powers that be if you would entertain such a thought as that you have fallen for the same trick as many.

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posted on May, 25 2012 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by protocolsoflove
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The guys here seem like gatekeepers in a way. So far, these recent posts have been the most penetrating of the mystery schools and freemasonry.


Well, in a FREE forum (which the FREEmasons probably don't like), there's no way they can.. there are no gates here, so let them try to "keep".

Anyways, to continue about the dolphins-theory..

.. so the dolphins can let the other half of the brain sleep, while the other stays awake, so they are 100% of the time asleep, and 100% of the time awake! (if I have understood it correctly, that is)

This is of course because water can be a dangerous element, with so many enemies around, and needing to breathe, a dolphin can't be fully sleep, or it might just drown.

But more importantly, HOW can it be? If we understand that sleeping means the soul detaching from the body to 'recharge' it's energy for the next day, while roaming in dreams and perhaps even the astral world sometimes, keeping connected to the body by the "silver line", then .. how does the half of a dolphin's soul rise from it's body, while the other half keeps going in the physical body?

Remember that the Pisces sign (which is originally dolphins, not fish, there are even egyptian hieroglyphic drawings to this effect - two dolphins, facing the opposite directions) has two fishes, not just one. Why two?

An intelligent reader has probably already realized what I am driving at - but yes. I think .. dolphins have TWO souls, not just one!

That may be the next step for human spiritual evolution - and that's why a human cannot (yet) be born as a dolphin.. requirements are not yet met.

Think about it - first there is a very 'generic' soul (mountains, forests, etc.), then a 'group' type soul,. then 'one soul with two bodies', and finally 'one soul, one body'.. wouldn't the logical extension of that line be "one body, two souls"?

Isn't it logical? I think it all fits, and it's the only way I can explain how a dolphin can let the other brain half sleep while the other is awake, and then switch .. you can't sleep at all, if you can't get out of the body. That's what sleep IS, after all. So something MUST be released from the dolphin's body when the dolphin sleeps...

Well, in my opinion it makes sense, your experience may vary.

But this (slightly incoherent and messy) explanation concludes the theory about Animal Souls - in my opinion, it explains it all in the best way that any theory so far has ever had - at least to me. But perhaps there is a better theory, and I am always willing to refine and search, reinvent, re-examine and re-learn things, and to learn something new.. so if someone has a better theory, please write it somewhere and let me read it, I plan to welcome it gladly.

For now, this is what I think about "do animals have souls or not".



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by 0mage



Yeah the good ole club. too help others of course. BUT ALL MOST BE DONE IN SECRECY!


Only darkness(synonymous with evil) festers with secrecy, but they don't tell the majority of masons.


first of all it is done in secrecy because the church persecute masons and the knowledge they wished to preserve of the truth of man's spiritual nature and more.


So why don't mason persecute the church then and expose the vatican for what they are?

I hope you are already aware of how corrupt roman catholicism has been since its inception. It is the reason we have protestanism and its many branches.

Of course all mainstream religions have changed over time and have become meaningless...i would say evil!


secondly if you read genesis you will see
"In the beginning all was dark and void" Then the lord created light.

this suggests that darkness is being closer to God than light since before there was light there was darkness. your perception has been screwed up by the powers that be if you would entertain such a thought as that you have fallen for the same trick as many.


I was never really religious, but I do believe in spiritualism. What we call angels and demons are actually multidimensional aliens that visit earth and some probably reside here covertly. I also believe humans did not evolve from cave man by themselves, I believe these cavemen breed with the fallen ones(from garden of eden) and the result is what we see today.



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by 0mage


first of all it is done in secrecy because the church persecute masons and the knowledge they wished to preserve of the truth of man's spiritual nature and more.

secondly if you read genesis you will see
"In the beginning all was dark and void" Then the lord created light.

this suggests that darkness is being closer to God than light since before there was light there was darkness. your perception has been screwed up by the powers that be if you would entertain such a thought as that you have fallen for the same trick as many.


If you look into physics you will find all matter is light. Take the light away and you don't exist.

As far as some of the recent posts.

My research into masons led to them being an arm of the Vatican. And the Vatican being the continuation of the Roman Empire. And the Roman Empire to being the true evil unseen controllers of the world.

Of course this is very condensed in general form to relay the underlying perspective.
I have read hours and hours worth into this and open minded rational scrutiny lead me to this from the information i could find.

Any one else end up down this path??
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posted on May, 25 2012 @ 10:11 PM
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I'm not saying this is where my information came from. But towards the end of this video it really gets into who started the Freemasons. The Jesuit General. 10 and a half minute video. really gets into free masons at 8:00


www.youtube.com...

Long full documentary on this information
www.youtube.com...

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posted on May, 25 2012 @ 10:18 PM
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The conspiracy goes way beyond rome, but the vatican appears to control all the important religious secrets, just like washington controls all the military secrets, just like london controls all the business secrets.

Zionism does not imply the creation of israel, it implies jewish domination of the world based on the protocols of the learned elders of zion. That is why they crucified jesus, control all the big banks, control precious metal markets, primarily work for themselves, control investment banking.

It is a capitalist and religious conspiracy which pushes right wing politics. You will rarely(if ever) see atheists or agnostics becoming masons. Socialism and communism are bound to get demonised by this group who burn the midnight oil conspiring to keep the world under elitist hands.



posted on May, 25 2012 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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The conspiracy goes way beyond rome, but the vatican appears to control all the important religious secrets, just like washington controls all the military secrets, just like london controls all the business secrets.

Zionism does not imply the creation of israel, it implies jewish domination of the world based on the protocols of the learned elders of zion. That is why they crucified jesus, control all the big banks, control precious metal markets, primarily work for themselves, control investment banking.

It is a capitalist and religious conspiracy which pushes right wing politics. You will rarely(if ever) see atheists or agnostics becoming masons. Socialism and communism are bound to get demonised by this group who burn the midnight oil conspiring to keep the world under elitist hands.



That is why Socialism and Communism ARE demonised, because they sound great on paper but throughout history have only ended in elitist control. We are not capitalist, we are mostly corporatist which is the economic system used to move in socialism/communism/fascism(power/control hungry big government).
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posted on May, 25 2012 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by yellowsnow

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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The conspiracy goes way beyond rome, but the vatican appears to control all the important religious secrets, just like washington controls all the military secrets, just like london controls all the business secrets.

Zionism does not imply the creation of israel, it implies jewish domination of the world based on the protocols of the learned elders of zion. That is why they crucified jesus, control all the big banks, control precious metal markets, primarily work for themselves, control investment banking.

It is a capitalist and religious conspiracy which pushes right wing politics. You will rarely(if ever) see atheists or agnostics becoming masons. Socialism and communism are bound to get demonised by this group who burn the midnight oil conspiring to keep the world under elitist hands.



That is why Socialism and Communism ARE demonised, because they sound great on paper but throughout history have only ended in elitist control. We are not capitalist, we are mostly corporatist which is the economic system used to move in socialism/communism/fascism(power/control hungry big government).
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Chances are if it looks good on paper it is also correct in practice. Corporatism is the main branch of capitalism and is the only system which allows for corporate control of everything. Under socialism(mixed economy) and communism(public economy) there is no corporatism, thus also no capitalism. These are basic terms which you should know already if you are going to criticise something and be believed.

You cannot move from state capitalism, which is what we have in america, to either socialism or communism. They are polar opposites and thus totally incompatible. I feel exhaused repeating this stuff every day on ATS or YouTube. Some people speak from ignorant positions and do great injustice to the world.

Big government and small government is almost irrellavant. You should look WHOS INTERESTS ARE BEING PROTECTED! common sense 101. The fact government is big and destructive is like adding insult to injury. I agree we need a much smaller government(less wasteful) but this of secondary importance.





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