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reply posted on 7-5-2012 @ 09:13 PM by RandomEsotericScreenname
reply to post by CrimsonKapital



Whatever, the seemingly engineerd banking and financial crisis overhere does not have much to do with the rising power of Asia.

About the NWO, they are definately trying to centralise power overhere.

The world may be changing but don't think that the fate of our market is not connected to that of Asian markets.


reply posted on 7-5-2012 @ 09:32 PM by jlm912
reply to post by freakjive



Concurred.

Restructure would be a more proper word than rebuild, I think.


reply posted on 7-5-2012 @ 09:52 PM by jlm912
reply to post by CrimsonKapital



I don't want to argue, guy. Manufacturing isn't the only factor of an economy. When it comes to resources and labor power, our economy hasn't really lost anything. Losing manufacturing isn't a decline of economic quantity, it's a failure in economic structure.


reply posted on 7-5-2012 @ 09:53 PM by TheMatrixusesYou
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Alright. Someone has to start calling BS on this type of argument.

You can't argue that eye for an eye bit, because the circumstances are different. You argue that entire countries take actions that everyone within that country is informed about. America is the most propagandized nation on earth. We've been hoodwinked into thinking all kinds of things so the big wigs could get done whatever they wanted. There are criminal elements all around that exploit both the Americans for their approval and other counties' citizens for the big wig's personal gain.

Stop saying things like America's chickens are coming home to roost. We didn't vote on exploitation, nor did we know it was going on. The idea seems so crazy that even now it seems hard to grasp. 99 percent of the people on earth are good people. They want to live well and they want to do right by their neighbors and families.

Your anger at an entire nation needs to be checked and to do that takes a little more courage than the average person normally uses. Use your brain to decide what's right and wrong and have the courage to believe something that might be against the grain.

That's how you improve the world.


reply posted on 7-5-2012 @ 09:56 PM by TheMatrixusesYou
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I would argue that it's not a failure at all, but a completely conscious decision towards a definite well thought out end. Don't make the mistake that these things happen by accident. Just about everything they show on TV is a complete fabrication.


reply posted on 7-5-2012 @ 09:57 PM by CrimsonKapital
Originally posted by TheMatrixusesYou
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post by CrimsonKapital



Alright. Someone has to start calling BS on this type of argument.

You can't argue that eye for an eye bit, because the circumstances are different. You argue that entire countries take actions that everyone within that country is informed about. America is the most propagandized nation on earth. We've been hoodwinked into thinking all kinds of things so the big wigs could get done whatever they wanted. There are criminal elements all around that exploit both the Americans for their approval and other counties' citizens for the big wig's personal gain.

Stop saying things like America's chickens are coming home to roost. We didn't vote on exploitation, nor did we know it was going on. The idea seems so crazy that even now it seems hard to grasp. 99 percent of the people on earth are good people. They want to live well and they want to do right by their neighbors and families.

Your anger at an entire nation needs to be checked and to do that takes a little more courage than the average person normally uses. Use your brain to decide what's right and wrong and have the courage to believe something that might be against the grain.

That's how you improve the world.


I beg your pardon but at which country am I supposedly angry with?
I am not angry at any countries, this thread is about the rise of the East and how Westerners feel that the collapse of the West will create a nwo.


reply posted on 7-5-2012 @ 10:00 PM by Mkoll
reply to post by CrimsonKapital



Okay I was thinking in the future not in the past. As you mentioned the empire I am a part of by birth and not choice is on the way out. What comes from the remains will either be freer and more open or crueler and more repressive than the current regime. You seem to want to perpetuate this fraudulent nation-state game with your team on top, so does that really make you personally more enlightened and powerful than us "deluded (though we are) westerners"? If your team takes the lead then there will be just as much oppression and injustice in the world and you are implicitly fine with that, as long as it is coming from a different geopolitical angle that supports your preconceptions.

With that kind of thinking you are just empowering a different clique of oligarchs

And going by the logic that I and my fellow citizens are personally responsible for all the wrongs this country has done then I guess it is the exploited Chinese worker's fault that the Chinese worker is exploited, and it is his fault that they are polluting their land to an historic degree. It is the Chinese citizen's fault for Mao's Long March, for his Great Leap Forward which resulted in enormous famine. It is also the Chinese citizen's fault for the cultural revolution, Tienanmen square, the war with the Russians, the Korean War, the mass censorship of the internet, and many many more things. So yeah. Those are all your bad I guess.
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reply posted on 7-5-2012 @ 10:04 PM by jlm912
reply to post by TheMatrixusesYou



Given.

My definition in "failure" was more along the lines of it failing to benefit the general public.
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