reply to post by autowrench
Okay...let me try and adress this one stage at a time.
And I suppose if I related to you the story of the night my Grandfather came to me, from the Afterlife, (he passed in 1962) and took me in his car for
a ride and we talked all into the night....what would you say to that? And suppose I were to tell about a night when an ET Being came and took me to
another planet, and told me all about the Afterlife, and my rather large family on another world. What would you say to that? You don't have to
answer me, but I wish you would. And please, do not insult my relatives of ET friends. I could tell you things that would literally blow your human
Well, nice that you call me friend. Do I dismiss or berate any experiences you are relaying to me here?
could never call anyone "Jesus", and it is clear that was not his name. The letter "J" is 500 years old, not 2000, and there is no Vowels at all
in the Hebrew Language. And, for the record, the Hebrew do not believe in Christ like Christians do. Does that surprise you?
Agreed. Yeshua would be a correct interpretation of the name. Was the name on the ossuary box in Hebrew, Greek, or Latin?
It's weird how the name Jesus has come to be in existence. It is a bizarre transliteration of the Greek 'Jesus' (Hey-suss). Why wasn't the name
correctly translated as Yeshua or 'Joshuah' as understood by modern minds?
Hebrews don't believe in 'Messiah' (correct translation of 'Christ') or 'Moshiach' the same way 'Christians do? Well, It would appear that
many of the Jews or Hebrews at the time didn't believe in Christ/Messiah/Moshiach the way the Jesus/Yeshua did either.
They had their own concept of what a Messiah/deliverer would be which abrogated any sense of resposibility over their own lives in terms of a
They were/are looking for a Moses type figure. If you choose to go by Old Testament literature, well hey....they had the manifest presence of GOD in
the wilderness by day or by night (a pillar of cloud or a pillar of fire,) but that STILL wasn't enough to cut it. It's a HEART ISSUE.
And no, it doesn't surprise me.
May I suggest you that you speak only for your own self here? I define a sheep as a follower. Also a believer in a certain dogma. That sound about
right to you? I do not believe in any dogma of any religion, I believe in what I know to be real. And I most certainly am not, and never was a
follower, that stuff got me thrown out the military.
You say you were in the military? Sheep are followers?
Then CLEARLY, I am not speaking for myself here. DOGMA is a man made word. It's where we put our own frills and patterns on a design that is outside
of us and isn't dependant on us to define it.
'You most certainly are not, and never was a follower, that stuff got me thrown out the military'.
Do you have any idea how much of an oxymoron that statemnt is?
You don't follow, have never been a follower, therefore you chose to join/pledge alleigance to a system that does all your thinking for you?!?
Who is the 'religious' one here that has woken up and come to their senses?
The more you try to distance yourself from a 'thought pattern', 'dogma', 'ideaology', the more you find yourself in one based on the principle
of 'opposng camp', 'rebel', 'atheist', 'agnostic', 'nihilist', etc.
People don't just use labels to define what they are. They also use them to define what they are NOT.
Like it or not, the label sticks on you, just as you have put a label on me that I would consider as unfair and ignorant as you probably perceive me
to be for having just said that.
For those who have spent any time in high-control religious groups, it is realization that you can still have a rewarding inner walk with Deity beyond
the restrictive, lifeless repression you experienced in the group. The fear factor and sexual repressions alone can drive a person mad.
You have either chosen to ignore everything I wrote earlier, or are attempting to quantify me with a box you refuse to put yourself in, with claims I
must be fearful and sexually repressed.
That is an intellectually 'below the belt' punch to use, and that is the only statement you've made so far that offends me.
I didn't find Jesus in a church, a seminar, a pub, a whorehouse, a beach, a combat zone, a grammar school, a crime scene, a museum, the discovery
channel, a telescope.......
I am genuinely sorry you aren't getting this, and It's a pity you choose to perceive me as living a restrictive, lifelles repression of an existence
that is based on a 'group'.
How have you manage to miss all that?!?
Didn't Satre say 'Man is condemned to be free?'
Is everyone in chains of their own doing (including you,) or are some 'above all that?'
By nature I am chained, by choice I am free.