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posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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Changes Coming to Conspiracies in Religion
"There is something feeble and contemptible about a person who cannot face life without the help of comfortable myths and cherished illusions."
Bertrand Russell

The Preface to the New King James Version (NKJV) reads, "A special feature of the New King James Version is ITS CONFORMITY to the thought flow of the 1611 Bible. . . the new edition, while much clearer ARE SO CLOSE to the traditional. . ."
Really?
Thomas Jefferson didn't care too much for the Bible, in fact, he wrote his own New Testament.
The Jefferson Bible
The Religious Affiliation of Third U.S. President - Thomas Jefferson

Of all the books in the King James Bible, there isn't one handwritten original that is knwon to exist. We don't even have the first copies of the originals, what we do have, is copies of copies of copies of copies, and what people remember who read the texts. The writers in Ancient Times had a looser standard for accuracy in their writings, or copying texts. Sometimes they wrote in other, more famous authors' names. They would add, subtract, alter, or outright remove "historical" events/place names/dates in the texts as they, or their Masters saw fit. Sometimes, blatant fiction was mixed together with truth, (Mishmash) and some of the scribes wrote texts in the name of Church enemies, to discredit the writer entirely. Then the forged text could be used against them in later times, if need be. This in itself speaks of a hidden agenda.
A Conspiracy!

The “Q Document” was used by the Roman Emperor Constantine to wholly construct the New Testament, the characters within the stories, and the writers of the stories. I believe that members of the Royal Family of Piso were the composers of the New Testament, and that the apostles were in fact Piso family members.

The main reasons for the New Testament being written was, in my humble opinion:

1. As a means by which to preserve and continue the continued practice of servitude to a Royal Family.

2. To create and make Law of the Land an official religion to quell all of the dissent of the time in Roman controlled lands, and in Rome herself.

So, Emperor Constantine and crew devised a male-dominated religion, complete with an all male Godhead, (Trinity) which he aptly named, "The Roman Universal Church". The New Testament’s fabricated story about Jesus’ “Virgin Birth” was included mostly because Constantine had earlier declared himself of Divine Origin, and also of the stories of Mithra. In later times, mostly in Spain and Germany, this all male domination in the religion caused over one million women to be executed by torture and burning.

Flavius Constantinus (Constantine) (272-337) is wholly responsible for the New Testament we have today. Constantine, after his Father died, had suddenly became King over Gaul, Britain, and Spain, and was quite upset at all of the political/religious dissent and infighting, mostly over the many Gods and differing beliefs. In those times when one stated he was a Christian, it may mean he had belonged to one of many different sects. Christian historians give not so much as a hint of the fighting going on, and the trouble brewing for Constantine.


How the Gospels were created

Constantine then instructed Eusebius to organize the compilation of a uniform collection of new writings developed from primary aspects of the religious texts submitted at the council. His instructions were:

"Search ye these books, and whatever is good in them, that retain; but whatsoever is evil, that cast away. What is good in one book, unite ye with that which is good in another book. And whatsoever is thus brought together shall be called The Book of Books. And it shall be the doctrine of my people, which I will recommend unto all nations, that there shall be no more war for religions' sake."
(God's Book of Eskra, op. cit., chapter xlviii, paragraph 31)

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The somewhat esteemed Catholic Encyclopedia supports the theory that the Gospels of Christianity were written no earlier than the 4th Century, saying: ”the earliest of the extant manuscripts of the New Testament, it is true, do not date back beyond the middle of the fourth century AD”
Friends, that is 400 years after the so called Jesus supposedly died. Most Historians began the practice of dating all religious manuscripts with a 2nd. Century date, no matter that real date.

The practice of Christian forgery certainly has a long history, but the evidence of the practice of Christian forgery appeared in the 4th century, with the creation of the New Testament and the man known as Jesus.
But is any of it true? The writers of the New Testament used the words "true" and "truth" 170 times, but that in itself does not mean it was truth.


THE RYLANDS PAPYRUS FRAUD

So much in New Testament history hinges on the Rylands Papyrus (P52). After all, this is supposed to be the earliest fragment of the New Testament that we possess. In every standard Introduction to NT, it is said that this tiny piece of writing, which contains only 118 legible letters, is dated "at about 125 AD".

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P52 Oldest New Testament Based on a papyri Fragment
There are said to be between 180,300 and 180,600 words in the King James New Testament, of course various translations have more/less words. How did all those words come from this one papyri fragment, if someone didn't just make most of it up out of thin air?

Why there are no records of Jesus Christ?

Well, if an event, or events, are not written about until many years has passed after the fact, memories are distorted, or false, or missing entirely, and a lot of what happened is lost. Also, the Gospels and Acts were not written by eyewitnesses. It was, however, was written by frauds who misrepresented themselves as eyewitnesses.

Arrius Calpurnius Piso was a Roman General, and it was he that captured the city of Jerusalem for Rome in 66 CE. I have come across some evidence that this Arrius Calpurnius Piso is none other than Flavius Josephus himself, the famous Jewish Historian who supposedly wrote two paragraphs on the miracle man Jesus. I am not in any way certain of this, but it does make sense. The name turns up nowhere on any site dedicated to Roman history, Latin studies, or anywhere having to do with serious research on Roman History. It is known that Julius] Caesar was an in-law of the Piso family. His wife, Calpurnia, was a Piso. I have also read a little on Arrius Calpurnius Piso being Philo of Alexandria in reality, also. The man certainly got around.
THE SYNTHESIS OF CHRISTIANITY

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posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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As Paul explained in his letter to the Corinthians, either Jesus rose from the dead, or he and other "eyewitnesses" are
in fact "false witnesses".

"And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. 15. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise". (1 Corinthians 15:14–15)

Peter, also, states that either the events (like the trans-figuration) occurred just as described by the "eyewitnesses", or they
are "cunningly devised fables".

"16. For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty". (2 Peter 1:16–18)

James was stoned to death. Paul was beheaded. Peter was crucified. Did these men go to their deaths knowing they were dying for a lie? Or was the real agenda to cement the lie as truth for all time?

Mithraism was very popular in the Roman Empire with many Emperors. (including Constantine) Mithraism had seven sacraments, the same as the Catholic Church, baptism, and communion with bread and water. Mithraism had a strong impact on Christianity. Mithras was the son of Ormuzd, and as a God of Light himself, he engaged the powers of darkness, Ahriman and his host, in a bitter struggle. Mithras triumphed and cast his adversaries into the nether world. Mithras, too, raised the dead and will find them at the end of time. He, too, will relegate the wicked to hell and establish the millennial kingdom. The roots of Mithraism go back to Zoroastrianism, a Persian religion that became popular in Greece c. 390 BCE. It placed Mithras in the role of a deity equal to the Sun God. Its priests were Magi; the same Magi said to have visited Bethlehem when Jesus was born.

Zarathustra, a Zoroastrian Magi, had predicted a coming Messiah, and the birth of Jesus may have been assumed by Paul to be this Messiah's possible arrival.
www.avesta.org...
www.zarathushtra.com...

I believe Paul mistook the Jewish "Messiah" to mean the Christ. Constantine and the Piso's seized on this when the N.T. was created, here was a Messiah that fit most all major religions of the time. Constantine merged the cult of Mithra with that of Christianity that was developing in Rome. He declared himself a Christian after supposedly witnessing a large cross in the sky, but at the same time maintained his ties to the Mithra cult. Up until the 4th Century, Mithraism and Christianity were separate, but after Constantine, the two cults were blended to form the new faith that was to conquer most of the world.
St Paul - History, Biblical Epistles, Gnosticism and Mithraism
Influence of Zoroastrianism on Judaism and Christianity

Rome’s 2,000 year-old deliberate mis-truths about Jesus’ life and teachings are being furthered along by wealthy people.... for greed, by close-minded people, due to their spiritual immaturity, and by Fundamentalist leaders of today’s Christian churches. Why? For monetary gain, and their personal, and a need for recognition in a secular world.

"Nothing in Christianity is original. The pre-Christian God Mithras, who was called the "Son of God", and the "Light of the World", was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb, and then resurrected in three days. By the way, December 25 was also the birthday of Osiris, Adonis, and Dionysus. The newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and myrrh."
From "The Da Vinci Code" by Dan Brown


What was the church trying to hide?

IN 1415,THE CHURCH OF ROME TOOK AN EXTRAORDINARY STEP TO destroy all knowledge of two Second Century Jewish books that it said contained ‘the true name of Jesus Christ.’ The Antipope Benedict XIII firstly singled out for condemnation a secret Latin treatise called ‘Mar Yesu’ and then issued instructions to destroy all copies of the Book of Elxai. No editions of these writings now publicly exist, but church archives recorded that they were once in popular circulation and known to the early presbyters. Knowledge of these writings survived from quotations made by Bishop Hippolytus of Rome (176 –236) and St Epiphanius of Salamis (315 – 403) along with references in some early editions of the Talmud of Palestine and Babylonia. The Rabbinic fraternity once held the destroyed manuscripts with great reverence for they were comprehensive original records reporting the ‘Life of Rabbi Jesus ’.
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King James' dream to be the first King of both Scotland and England was realized in 1603, upon the death of Queen Elizabeth. When he ascended to the English throne that year, he had already been king of Scotland for 36 years. He was now known as King James VI of Scotland & I of England. I have read that the Catholic religion was an enemy of King James, in more ways than one.
The Gunpowder Plot A ROMAN CATHOLIC ASSASINATION ATTEMPT ON KING JAMES I



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 11:55 AM
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In 1604, King James commanded what many consider to be the greatest piece of religious and literary work in the world, the "Authorized Version". It is also known as the Authorized King James Bible.
54 men were appointed to the translation committee. According to the translator's notes in the preface of the King James Bible, the Roman Catholic religion was dead set against translating the Bible into the common tongue.
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The Mysterious Rosicrucian Who Was the Father of the American Republic


THE MEN BEHIND THE KING JAMES BIBLE

DOCTOR JOHN RAINOLDS, Puritan, spoke at Hampton Court of the need for a new translation. Called the most learned man in England, Rainolds worked with the Oxford group that translated the Old Testament, but he died before the new Bible was completed.

RICHARD BANCROFT, Bishop of London, as a high churchman opposed Rainolds' Puritan proposals yet moved with energy for the new Bible when the King approved. After the death of John Whitgift, Bancroft was rewarded with the Archbishopric of Canterbury.

GEORGE ABBOT, among the New Testament translators at Oxford, followed Bancroft as Bishop and became Archbishop in time to oppose the tyranny of Laud. His engraved portrait is from the title page of his book, A Brief Description of the Whole World, as published in 1656.

LANCELOT ANDREWES, Dean of Westminster, chose many other translators and led the Westminster group translating from the Hebrew. Andrewes had been a chaplain to Elizabeth; he was a friend of Bacon and Spenser, and young John Milton wrote his elegy, when, in 1626, he died.

THOMAS RAVIS, Dean of Christ Church and later Warden of New College, was head of the New Testament translators at Oxford. A high churchman, Ravis opposed Puritan teachings. He signed the document that asked promotion for another translator, Dean Thorne.

SIR HENRY SAVILE, considered the handsomest of the translators, had tutored Queen Elizabeth in Greek and mathematics. Provost of Eton, then Warden of Merton, he worked with the Greek group at Oxford, where he lectured on the Greek philosophers and Euclid.

THOMAS BILSON, Bishop of Winchester, worked with the Cambridge translators and was one of the two final editors. His high church views and zeal for the Establishment balanced the Puritan leanings of Miles Smith, who followed him in the see of Winchester.

DOCTOR MILES SMITH worked in the Oxford group that translated the Old Testament from the Hebrew. He also served as final editor of the whole translation and wrote the eloquent preface, which was part of the 1611 edition.
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Sir Francis Bacon headed up the translation team of the King James Bible.

Francis Bacon was partly, if not entirely, responsible for an amazing undertaking,
1. The Shakespearian Plays
2. The creation in its present form of Freemasonry
3. The translation of the King James Bible into its present well-known Authorized Version.

Sir Fransis Bacon had a very good friend and confidant in John Dee.

In his lifetime Dee amassed one of the largest libraries in England. His high status as a scholar also allowed him to play a role in Elizabethan politics. He served as an occasional adviser and tutor to Elizabeth I and nurtured relationships with her ministers Francis Walsingham and William Cecil. Dee also tutored and enjoyed patronage relationships with Sir Philip Sidney, his uncle Robert Dudley, 1st Earl of Leicester, and Edward Dyer. He also enjoyed patronage from Sir Christopher Hatton.
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John Dee and Francis Bacon

In his Secret Destiny of America, Manly Hall, Bacon's most understanding modern scholar, refers to the appearance in America, prior to the signing of the Declaration of Independence in 1776, of a mysterious Rosicrucian philosopher, a strict vegetarian who ate only foods that grew above the ground, who was a friend and teacher of Franklin and Washington and who seemed to have played an important role in the founding of the new republic. Why most historians failed to mention him is a puzzle, for that he existed is a certainty.
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posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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I've made mention before of a strange story that applies.

I knew a co-worker years ago who was in Seminary School. He was a mega-IQ type and quickly rose to a position where he was chosen to do some sort of extremely sensitive project having to do with Scripture. Very soon after he dropped out of Seminary.

Try as many of us did to get him to explain this strange decision he always refused to talk about it.

What I'd give to know what it was he saw.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 11:58 AM
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Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal/But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal. - Matthew 6:19-20


The reason I post this is because it echoes a thought that I firmly believe in.

We have mastered the material; it is now time to master the spiritual. This quote speaks of laying treasures upon the earth where the passage of time may take its toll. "Earth" is the material, and "heaven" is the spiritual. We are told to hold close to our hearts that which is immaterial, that which is of the soul and not of the hand.

This is what we should be doing now. We control the weather, we can travel in space, we can create and prepare various forms of sustenance and medicine in labs without any need for nature. We have power over life and death itself.

What we need to do now, is focus on spirit. If we do not focus on spirit, we will forget that which is important, and we will destroy ourselves.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 12:02 PM
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United States Presidents
and The Illuminati / Masonic Power Structure.


1590's - Sir Francis Bacon, beginning in the early 1590's, began the detailed plans by which North America would be colonized. He was the supreme adept in the Rosicrucian Society, and established the super secret Knights of the Helmet [Ibid., p. 123-129], a society established along the lines of Rosicrucianism. And, finally, Bacon was responsible for the modern birth of Freemasonry, as detailed by Masonic author, George V. Tudhope, in his book, Bacon Masonry , ISBN 1-56459-108-5, reprinted by Kessinger's Publishing. Thus, we can see that the occult activities of our original occult Forefathers mentioned above was merely the outworking of an occult plan originally conceived "thousands of years before Columbus ever sailed"! Our Masonic forefathers were merely following the details of the occult plan as envisioned specifically by Sir Francis Bacon in the 1590's, operating according to the vision provided him by his Guiding Spirit.
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Rosicrucianism

Rosicrucianism is a secret society of mystics, allegedly formed in late medieval Germany, devoted to the study of ancient mystical, philosophical and religious doctrines and concerned with the application of these doctrines to modern life. The order, which has many different traditions and variations, adopted the Rose Cross or Rosy Cross (a cross with a rose at its centre) as its symbol, which has several variations, several meanings depending on its source, and many layers of symbolism.

The inspiration for the order dates back to three anonymous manifestos published in Germany between 1607 and 1616, the “Fama Fraternitatis RC” (“The Fame of the Brotherhood of RC”), the “Confessio Fraternitatis” (“The Confession of the Brotherhood of RC”), and the “Chymische Hochzeit Christiani Rosencreutz” (“The Chymical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz”). The manifestos presented the legend of a German doctor and mystic philosopher, referred to initially as "Frater CRC" and later identified as Christian Rosenkreutz (or Rosenkreuz), a name meaning "Roses Cross". Rosenkreutz was alleged to have lived from 1378 to 1484, learned alchemy and esoteric wisdom in the Middle East under various masters and, on returning to Germany, founded a secret order known as the Fraternity of the Rose Cross.

Some believe Rosenkreutz to be a pseudonym for a more famous historical figure, perhaps Sir Francis Bacon......
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Francis Bacon and the James 1st Bible

The first English language manuscripts of the Bible remained in Bacon ’s possession for nearly a year.During that time :

...he hammered the various styles of the translators into the unity,rhythm, and music of Shakespearean prose,wrote the Prefaces and created the whole scheme of the Authorized Version. 6

He also encoded secret information into both the Old and New Testament An ancient document recorded that the true history of early Christianity was known to the initiates of the Order of the Knights Templar,having originally been

...imparted to Hugh de Payens by the Grand-Pontiff of the Order of the Temple (of the Nazarene sect),one named Theocletes, after which it was learned by some Knights in Palestine.

Regarding the months of editing work applied to the Bible by Bacon,his biographer,William T.Smedley, confirmed the extent of the editing :

"It will eventually be proved that the whole structure of the Authorised Bible was Francis Bacon’s. He was an ardent student not only of the Bible, but also of early manuscripts.St Augustine, St Jerome,and writers of theological works,were studied by him with industry."

At the completion of the editing, Sir Francis Bacon and King James I had a series of meetings to finalise editorial matters associated with the new Bible. It was at this time that King James ordered a ‘Dedication to the King’ to be drawn up and included in the opening pages. He also wanted the phrase ‘Appointed to be read in the Churches’ to appear on the title page.This was an announcement clarifying that King James had personally given the church ‘Special Command ’ for this particular version of the Bible to be used in preference to the vast array of Greek and Latin Vulgate Bibles current at the time. His reason was personal, as King James had previously instructed the revisers to ‘defend the position of the king’ in their restructuring of the texts.This was seen as an attempt to distance the Protestant Bible from the Catholic version.The Protestant versions of the Bible are thinner by seven books than the Catholic version and the variant churches have never agreed on a uniform Bible. Source
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posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 12:07 PM
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To sum up, it seems the King James (KJV) Bible which Christians read, and admire from a literary standpoint of view.... because of it's beautiful English was written in that form by non other than Sir Francis Bacon, who invented and perfected that writing style of English expression.

"The first edition of the King James Bible, which was edited by Francis Bacon and prepared under Masonic supervision, bears more Mason's marks than the Cathedral of Strasburg".-Manly P. Hall, from a lecture Rosicrucian and Masonic Origins 1929
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I have come to a solid conclusion that Francis Bacon edited the Authorized Version of the KJV Bible printed in 1611 at the behest of King James. Now it is widely known that Rosicrucians, and Freemasons are held to be Pagan by most of Christianity.
What does it mean when Christianity's most reverently held book was "edited," probably completely rewritten by a known Rosicrucian? The first English language manuscripts of the Bible remained in Francis Bacon’s possession for nearly a year. There seems to be mounting evidence, from a great many many sources, that Francis Bacon had a great deal to do with the King James Bible. Yes, he didn't write it, but it does look like he edited it, no doubt to add his own Rosicrucian symbolism and secret codes. This is why the KJV is so hard to make sense of in a lot of places.
I think ALL Christians should study, research, and make sure that what they are reading as a Holy Book is in fact a Holy book.

Some Pagan items adopted by Christians

THE NKJV AND THE TRIQUETRA

WHAT ABOUT THAT MYSTERIOUS MARK?

NKJV Omissions
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posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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Well, my response to that is that they know what the Bible is really saying, but they updated it so that when it became decrypted, it was more accurate.

Remember, it was the Rosicrucians who said that the cross was a representation of the overlap between man and the divine. One bar up, and one bar across. Earth and heaven. The Divine Duo.

And personally, I like that view. It's much less subservient.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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What I'd give to know what it was he saw.

Do you really want to know? Remember, once known, never forgotten. Do as I did, make the Bible a research project, look up the words in Hebrew and Greek to see what they mean, cross reference it to other books, documents, codex's, texts, make part of your research the Occult Teachings, and Theosophy, put it all together and mix well. Then research deeply the Gods of the Bible, and cross reference those with other Gods, monsters, myths, and fables.
After about 20 years or so, it will begin to gel for you.
Or, just read what others have spent years researching, which is much easier.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by Hessling
I've made mention before of a strange story that applies.

I knew a co-worker years ago who was in Seminary School. He was a mega-IQ type and quickly rose to a position where he was chosen to do some sort of extremely sensitive project having to do with Scripture. Very soon after he dropped out of Seminary.

Try as many of us did to get him to explain this strange decision he always refused to talk about it.

What I'd give to know what it was he saw.


Oddly enough, I had a similar experience with an in-law. He sidesteps any efforts to get to the crux of the matter.

Someone once told me, "Be careful messing with peoples programming and paradigm. It's dangerous."

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posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 01:16 PM
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I hear you. I have a step brother who lives in Michigan, he was a minister in an Assemblies of God church for 5 years after college. I emailed him some links a few years ago, to help his education along, and about a month later, he quit the church. He refuses to talk about it. His wife, my sister-in-law, told my one the phone that he had even apologized to the congregation for lying to them. They moved away to a new city, and he changed his phone number and email address. I haven't seen him in about 6 years now.



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Thank you for reposting my friend



Let's hope this one will stay up.

Excellent work and research



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by autowrench
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What I'd give to know what it was he saw.

Do you really want to know? Remember, once known, never forgotten. Do as I did, make the Bible a research project, look up the words in Hebrew and Greek to see what they mean, cross reference it to other books, documents, codex's, texts, make part of your research the Occult Teachings, and Theosophy, put it all together and mix well. Then research deeply the Gods of the Bible, and cross reference those with other Gods, monsters, myths, and fables.
After about 20 years or so, it will begin to gel for you.
Or, just read what others have spent years researching, which is much easier.


Make sure you didn't leave out this:

Flame Letter in the Tent


You are defined by your word, but judged by your deeds, so you will never escape the error of your ways. The best advice I offer you is to have a greater measure of good in your repertoire.
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posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:09 PM
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I am saving for later. I love this subject. There are allot people who don't realize that when talking about versions of the bible, how different each can be. To many they are just the same junk in different words. The thing is who ever decides what goes in is almost writing the future by rewriting the past. I expect the ORIGINAL was closer to an original account of earth's history that we don't know. A single word can change a story into completely different one.

Think of it this way. You know how in genesis it says God made heaven and the earth. It is supposed to say REMADE! To know from what was it REMADE? What was before? You should look to an excluded book altogether called Enoch (and a mechanical translation) from the original Hebrew or Aramaic is the only thing that will suffice the curious reader. Same thing in Genesis, when it says the earth was barren and void, the words "barren and void" should be changed to include the context of barren after judgment. Or "judged unfavorably and punished". As in it was not barren and void and after a severe judgment from God it was made so as its punishment.

You see how ancient Hebrew cant be translated all wily nilly. You should also accept that even the New testament was originally written in HEBREW not Greek. Greek was the language of the empire. The Jews only used Greek since it was widely understood. We only have the oldest version written in greek. It should also be noted that Constantine was trying to appease the old roman citizenry by including allot of pagan symbology and traditions in what was a new religion to them.

Expect to see me once I read what you got so far and see if I can add some more. In the mean time S&F. Nice.


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posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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Personal experience, study, and simple “genetics” lead those who were predestined to Yeshua.

Nothing that is written will ever lead anyone who is not capable of knowing to “The Way”.

My local university geneticists and social scientists would agree that you either have the “God Gene” or you do not. (of course their conclusions are not of a complementary nature)

All those so-and-so begat this person who begat this person on and on and on…. Is an argument and not so subtle clue as to who the “Chosen People” are. To know Yeshua you must be of the “blood line”.

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. John 10:27

I rarely read the NT. Mostly I study the Tanach. The “churches” that you reject as mind control cults are just as you believe them to be. Stay away from them. Do not reject Yeshua based on your encounters with “tares”.

…while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares also among the wheat, and went away. Matthew 13:25

There was no “NT” when Yeshua preached. Those who knew Him did so by what they knew from their study of the Tanach and because they were born the “Children of God”. If the NT offends you…. Then I would suggest that you focus your study on the Tanach. The story of Yeshua and His life and death will make the Tanach complete and acceptable, clear, coherent, comprehensible, intelligible, justifiable, logical, lucid, pellucid, plain, reasonable, recognizable, simple

Understand…..



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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I kind of enjoy how your links like to point out how the evidence supports Jesus Christ, and rather skims over the stuff that could possibly complicate the validity of the tales.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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All those so-and-so begat this person who begat this person on and on and on…. Is an argument and not so subtle clue as to who the “Chosen People” are. To know Yeshua you must be of the “blood line”.


I got this far and stopped reading. You, sir, are full of it.

Sorry, but I don't believe anyone is excluded simply because they were unfortunate enough to not be the product of the first guy their mother shagged...



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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Do not reject Yeshua based on your encounters with “tares”.


And to the instances prior to said Yeshua, along with planets outside our own solar system... We'll just reject them.

You fail to understand we're of the same substance. DNA images light... Light being a demodulator.



posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:46 PM
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well the covenant was broken. The age old claim of God´s chosen people is no longer valid if you go according to what the bible says. The Jews were punished and banished from Israel. That is why allot of Torah Jews don't support Zionism since it goes against what the bible teaches. It says they will return to Jerusalem and end the Diaspora when the messiah has arrived. That they should not rebel in the foreign lands in which they live and not try and use violence and war to retake Israel. The messiah will have the temple rebuilt to its full glory not man, etc.

www.jewsagainstzionism.com...

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posted on Apr, 23 2012 @ 02:51 PM
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Everyone wants to wait for the Messiah. Meanwhile, our race kills everything in its path for dominion.

Sounds about right.






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