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And please, this is simply philosophy. Anything Eternal is therefore by definition timeless.
This seems to contradict your earlier statement that you came to this conclusion through studying philosophy.
P.s. I did come to what I believe on my own through prayer for understanding and studying. All you're offending is the air, not me
Are you saying that any refutation you are going to give, you already gave?
. . . I well provided ample and adequate scripture in refutation of your faulty premises . . .
OK, so where in all of that does it give an exemption from the verses that say all will have to go through a judgment?
. . . Our Father told us He would never leave us or forsake us if we would but draw nigh unto Him. Christ is the way, the truth, and life. Jesus is my Lord and I joy in God for him. . .
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
And please, this is simply philosophy. Anything Eternal is therefore by definition timeless.
Can you quote some ancient philosophical work which says something like this?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
We will stand before the Great White throne (in reve after the thousand year reign) but not in condemnation.
No, Christians are not at that judgment, we have to appear before the Judgment (bhema) Seat of Christ. GWTJ is a judgment that if you're at you're going to Hell. It's a sentencing for the "dead", that's why those judged there are judged by their works.
The Bhema seat is in heaven immediately prior to the marriage supper, and the 2nd coming.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
He speaks of the day the "virgins" are called out and only five wise have filled their lamps with oil (the holy spirit) whereas the others miss the Groom's return because they are out trying to find oil for their lamps in that midnight hour.
All Christians have the Holy Spirit, it would be impossible to be convicted if not.
Secondly, we don't fill ourselves with the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ does. Oil is referred to as those who are looking for Him to return, the unwise virgins are not, that's why they don't have oil, light on, and awake looking for Him.
It signifies them napping when He comes, not alert and ready to leave. They don't think He is coming at that hour. But both the unwise and the wise are called "virgins" so they are saved, some are waiting, some are not.
Some Christians are waiting expectantly for His return, some are not. There is also a crown to be given for those who are taken and waiting.
There are many Christians who don't want Jesus to come back just yet because they love this life.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
Dewey, the people in this scripture are boasting of themselves about their works to Jesus . . .
Again, none of this has to do with why I was quoting this from Mathew 7. I was saying that people presenting themselves as Christians and saying the name, Jesus, can and will be working to subvert Christianity my teaching against righteousness. This is why the passage starts out by saying, ". . . only the one who does the will of my Father . . ."
If the book of life is opened at that time plus other books then I can see how one, Dewey to be exact, could argue that those written in the book of life will be there along with those who are judged by their works out of the other books.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
And please, this is simply philosophy. Anything Eternal is therefore by definition timeless.
Can you quote some ancient philosophical work which says something like this?
This seems to contradict your earlier statement that you came to this conclusion through studying philosophy.
P.s. I did come to what I believe on my own through prayer for understanding and studying. All you're offending is the air, not me
Are you saying that any refutation you are going to give, you already gave?
. . . I well provided ample and adequate scripture in refutation of your faulty premises . . .
OK, so where in all of that does it give an exemption from the verses that say all will have to go through a judgment?
. . . Our Father told us He would never leave us or forsake us if we would but draw nigh unto Him. Christ is the way, the truth, and life. Jesus is my Lord and I joy in God for him. . .
The fact that you believe that you will receive a positive verdict does not nullify the reality of a judgment.edit on 12-4-2012 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
Actually in the parable they do awaken and have oil to light their lamp but have no extra crux of oil wherewith to continue watching throughout the night. Oil is symbolic of the Holy Spirit (atmu) and not all have faith unto watching and waiting for the return of Christ. Go out and ask some Christians what they hope for? Do they want Jesus to come sooner than later. You may be surprised. Nevertheless, many will be caught unaware.
I don't care about a crown.
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
There are many Christians who don't want Jesus to come back just yet because they love this life.
And is there a problem with loving life? We suck if we aren't looking forward to it ending? Some of us have a lot of joy and plenty to live for.
Carpe diem.
And is there a problem with loving life?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
Actually in the parable they do awaken and have oil to light their lamp but have no extra crux of oil wherewith to continue watching throughout the night. Oil is symbolic of the Holy Spirit (atmu) and not all have faith unto watching and waiting for the return of Christ. Go out and ask some Christians what they hope for? Do they want Jesus to come sooner than later. You may be surprised. Nevertheless, many will be caught unaware.
Yes, it is symbolic of the Holy Spirit, but not in all cases. The context here is they are not prepared to leave like the other VIRGINS are. They didn't expect Him to return for them that night.
Both groups are "virgins", that should be the hint.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
I don't care about a crown.
I would if I were you, they aren't for us, but for Him, to give back to Him in praise.
His presence is all I want.
If your focus is a crown then good for you.
It's not just semantics.
You have your panties in a jihad about semantics, Dewey. We will stand before the Great White throne (in reve after the thousand year reign) but not in condemnation. That's all I know to tell you.
Just looks like you are tumbling things together. Where did you get this formula for your potion? Someone has to be feeding this to you. If you came up with this on your own, then can you explain the process you went through to arrive at this?
. . . The Church in Thyatira is given rulership over the nations. Elsewhere God says He will no more pass over Israel. Only 144,000 out of the tribes are even chosen for a particular scenario . . .
Which are all past, historical events.
False. He speaks of His return as quick like lightning that shines from east to west. He speaks of the day when two will be standing in the field and then one will be gone. He speaks of the day the "virgins" are called out and only five wise have filled their lamps with oil (the holy spirit) whereas the others miss the Groom's return because they are out trying to find oil for their lamps in that midnight hour. He speaks of the day he returns with his angels, sending them out to gather together those who belong to him.
I read people who are not cult members. If someone has a particular philosophy they promote on an all-or-nothing basis, that is a cult.
Believe what your cult leader tells you , I'll trust in Christ, the Word of God unto faith, hope, and unfeigned love.
Originally posted by HeFrippedMeOff
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
Actually in the parable they do awaken and have oil to light their lamp but have no extra crux of oil wherewith to continue watching throughout the night. Oil is symbolic of the Holy Spirit (atmu) and not all have faith unto watching and waiting for the return of Christ. Go out and ask some Christians what they hope for? Do they want Jesus to come sooner than later. You may be surprised. Nevertheless, many will be caught unaware.
Yes, it is symbolic of the Holy Spirit, but not in all cases. The context here is they are not prepared to leave like the other VIRGINS are. They didn't expect Him to return for them that night.
Both groups are "virgins", that should be the hint.
I don't understand what your contention is. The harpazo isn't the culmination of everyone who will eventually be saved; nor is the harpazo the culmination of all those who have ever possessed the holy spirit. It's a special gift for those who actually want it enough to believe in scripture and watch. Again, what is your contention with me?
What he was claiming was calling on his name, while the righteousness required to have in order to enter had been neglected, thinking that a relationship with Jesus was all that was needed.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
His presence is all I want.
Yeah, me too. We'll be in heaven, constantly in His presence. Crowns are rewarded for faithfulness, and they are our gift back to Him. They aren't for us, they won't be sitting on the mantle in our mansion so we can look at them every morning over hot heavenly coffee.
The crowns are for us to throw at His feet in praise. Wouldn't you be pissed if your hands were tied and you couldn't shout for praise in worship service at church??
(Oooops, you might be a Presbyterian or a Baptists and that already happens by church tradition of the elders, if so forget the last question. They refuse to teach their laity about the 7 types of Davidic praise and worship.)
edit on 12-4-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
And please, this is simply philosophy. Anything Eternal is therefore by definition timeless.
Can you quote some ancient philosophical work which says something like this?
Impossible, it wasn't discovered until 1916.
Einsteins General Theory of Relativity (E=mc^2)
Confirmed 14 different ways by Physicists down to 19 decimal places.
Or in layman's terms, "FACT".