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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
I know for a fact that what gets passed off as "christian doctrine" has zero connection to the scripture it claims to be associated with.
That is the sort of thing you find in the forged books claiming to be by Paul, such as the one the quote comes from, which is 2 Thessalonians.
Scripture itself said that people would 'hold onto the traditions'
passed down and that it's fine.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Lots of stuff happens on Earth after the harpazo. Don't have a clue what you're talking about, sorry. And my cult leader is Jesus.
OK, then describe one or two.
Do the people who are raptured (according to your philosophy) ever come back?
Why do you embed Chuck Missler videos into your posts?
Why do you have a link to a Mark Driscoll video in your signature?
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
Why are you saying I'm right and just continue on as if it really means nothing?
You're right, the throne of grace is not judgment for those of us in Christ shall not see judgment. Doctrine is established for right living. Christ sacrifice is established for our salvation. This is Christianity.
Why don't you admit that the Throne of Grace that Hebrews is talking about has nothing to do with your final judgement other than that you need to approach it at some point during your life, if you are to have any hope at the end of your life. There is nothing to indicate that it is referring to the judgement when it is talking about the Throne of Grace. ". . . whenever we need help." has to be talking about during our lives, so it has to mean something besides judgment.
You seem to be following a dogma set out by someone that you must follow.
Someone has told you how to understand it, is all I can figure, and the stature of the one telling you these things compels you to believe what he said, in the face of plain scriptural evidence telling you otherwise.
What I am describing here is the very definition of a cult.edit on 4-4-2012 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
I have no one but God and take no man's word for what scripture actually says without reading and studying for myself.
I'm looking at a new book coming out called The Popular Handbook on the Rapture: Experts Speak Out on End-Times Prophecy. There is a chapter called, What is the Rapture, by Tim LaHaye. He never mentions, as much as I can see in the GoogleBooks preview, that it should not be called the Rapture. In fact he goes on and on talking about the "rapture". I have to think that someone is telling you not to call it "rapture" and that you are complying with the wishes of your cult leader who I would guess is Chuck Missler. There are probably a couple hundred books on Amazon with the word "rapture" in the title. No one seems to be concerned about this potential "confusion" other than your boss, and I have to guess that the purpose is to have a mark of distinction like the mark of the beast, or something, to tell everyone who your owner is or who you are the slave to, by going around saying Harpazo, sort of like a secret handshake among Mason's where you know you are with your fellow cult members because you both speak the same language.
Don't call it the "rapture" . . . Call it the Greek "harpazo".
What position do you mean, that you take a particular approch by way of a philosophy of interpretation? OK, you said that . . and, so? I'm not concerned about what label you put on a philosophy of interpretation.
I've already explained my position on this numerous times.
So then according to your philosophy there is no prophetic nature to Revelation and the only things that need to be fulfilled are all somehow contained within the Old Testament?
Third, yes, we come back with Christ when He returns to fulfill the Davidic covenant Gabriel promised to Mary.
None of those are as frequent and constant as the Missler ones, and the other is very constant, being in your every post.
I also link Dr. Perry Stone, Damon Thompson, Dr. Ron Carlson, Dr. David Reagan, Ravi Zacharias, Dr. Jason Lisle, Ron Phillips as well. Why not ask about any of them?
That is just a fake definition you made up to not include yourself. A cult obviously is something you choose to enter, so you cant include the phrase "unquestioningly". Anyone would question the cult at first approach, consider it, then make a decision that it is ok. What makes it a cult is that you accept the person as an authority figure where his opinions weigh heavier than anyone else's, for different reasons but one being that you have habitualized yourself to prefer the opinion of a know entity. If you found yourself often in disagreement with that person and regarded his opinion as not any better than anyone else's then you would not have a cult-member relationship with that person.
And furthermore, cult members follow one enigmatic authority without question, and to the exclusion of all others.
This is only a cult teaching which ignores the many biblical references to judgment. It is rejecting the very definition of a judgment and making it into an awards ceremony. This is your cult's attempt to subvert morality and is no surprise considering its purpose is to destroy Christianity and the church, and the very name of Jesus.
We will not approach the judgment throne other than to hear our names called in the Lambs book of life.
This is some sort of interpretation from Revelation which is rather inexplicable in itself. I realize there are some people who take the book as some point-by-point description of future events and is in fact a message from Jesus to John, whoever that is, and it is prophecy that has to happen just as written, but I have to be realistic about it and figure it is someone who desired greatly that the Roman Empire is punished by God, so the way he figures it is going to come about is by having the Final Judgment happen now, instead of this nebulous, far-off, distant hypothetical (or even completely spiritual) event, and create a version of it and move it into the nearby, soon to happen future. The main point of the story is the beast, and why and how it manages to operate. It is the same age-old question, "Why does God allow bad things to happen to good people?". The writer of Revelation takes imagery from Babylonian mythology and the cosmic warrior god, Marduk and the chaos beasts from before creation, and has them fulfill their purpose, which is to bring down judgment and the end of time. The purpose for all that is to make a new and better creation, one where the gods have had time to sort out their affairs, and the new creation will not involve those bad gods, and the result will be orderly and not containing evil like it does now.
Those whose names are not found will stand before the judgment throne giving account of everything they've ever done as there are other books that will be opened besides the book of Life.
. . . sins that war against . . .
That is a false doctrine.
Jesus now sits at the right hand of the Father on the very throne of grace. Christ became sin for us. Where there is forgiveness there is no more condemnation, no more judgment. Don't you get it? Those of us in Christ will never see judgment, we are no longer condemned being washed clean by the blood of the lamb.
There is a chapter called, What is the Rapture, by Tim LaHaye. He never mentions, as much as I can see in the GoogleBooks preview, that it should not be called the Rapture.
"Removal of Christians from the face of the earth to make way for Old Testament Judaism, complete with temple animal sacrifices" cult religion.
I'm not concerned about what label you put on a philosophy of interpretation.
Schools of Alexandria and Antioch
See also: Catechetical School of Alexandria and School of Antioch
Beginning as early as the third century, Christian hermeneutics began to split into two primary schools: Alexandria and Antioch. The Alexandrian Biblical interpretations stressed allegorical readings, frequently at the expense of the texts' literal meaning. Primary figures in this school included Origen and Clement of Alexandria. The Antiochene school stressed instead the more literal and historical meaning of the text. Theodore of Mopsuestia and Diodore of Tarsus were the primary figures in the Antiochene school.
So then according to your philosophy there is no prophetic nature to Revelation and the only things that need to be fulfilled are all somehow contained within the Old Testament?
That is just a fake definition you made up to not include yourself.
cult
[kuhlt] Show IPA
noun
1.
a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2.
an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3.
the object of such devotion.
4.
a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5.
Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
Are you sure that one of your YouTube video theology classes never mentioned a preference for the term, Harpazo over the word, Rapture?
I myself suggested not using the terminology because people get really confused and will claim it's not true because the word "rapture" doesn't appear in the English version of the Bible.
John Darby taught that nonsense??
Being Pre-Tribulational, or not, is irrelevant when we are talking about the question of what happens to the Christians some time after they are raptured. Dispensationalism believes that the Jews are the only people God made a covenant with, so Christians do not fit, and so are taken off the earth so the Jews can enjoy the promises made just for them, without any of those pesky Christians picking up the crumbs that fall on the floor from the table.
Pre-Tribulational Dispensationalists believe Jews will come to saving faith in Christ during the last 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70th week.
Are you sure that one of your YouTube video theology classes never mentioned a preference for the term, Harpazo over the word, Rapture?
I would suggest studying up on Darby since he is the founder of your cult.
We have the same Bible dude, but different approaches to interpreting it.