Originally posted by somerandomuser
This is established science.
RF communication IS an established science. One I've got degrees in. I design this sort of thing. A neuron isn't going to be a real great radiator
of ELF due to it not being about 200 miles long. The efficiency of an RF antenna is very much related to how it matches the wavelength of the RF being
detected or radiated. In this case, the length you've got to work with is the length of an ion channel in a cell membrane. Pretty short, compared to
a radio wave that's going to be thousands of km long. As in, ain't happening.
Point me to the scientific articles - I read his magnum opus and stopped when I saw that he didn't have a clue about what he was writing about.
However, you're going to have a number of things to contend with here that are just basic physics. One, a cell isn't going to be a really great
receiver or radiator of ELF radio waves, just due to size discrepancy. Two, an ELF radio wave is really really BIG, mushy, and low energy. You can't
"focus" one, and it can't carry much in the way of data due to Nyquist limits. This makes it sort of painful to use in terms of "mind control" or
Originally posted by Bedlam
Again, interesting, but detection works upon pattern analysis, just like any form of BCI. ELF waves are not attenuated by brain matter, not even
several hundred meters of rock will attenuate it.
As for not generating ELF waves because, as you put it, "it takes more than that to produce propagating radio waves". I would refer you Maxwell's
equations and the scientific article referenced in Deepthought's work showing the detection of ELF waves emanating from a human.
Being a comm system designer, I'm pretty sure I know old Maxwell pretty well. Again, you're familiar with the copious amount of linkage you
generated, and having read "physics part 1", I didn't have the heart (or stomach) to go farther. Point me to the link containing his ELF wave
detector and I'll peruse it - but I'm not reading all of that, mainly because I'm pretty sure what I'll find. He's going to show that he's come
up with some barely functional means of detecting either the e field or h field, and then he's going to hand wave it with some obfuscatory terms and
say 'presto, and thus you can detect it from a satellite'. Only it doesn't work that way.
Yes, they do and he presented a scientific article showing that this is the case.
Not if he's calling in ELF as his magic cureall. Again, ELF is a really scaaary bugaboo, but it has no real capacity for carrying info due to Nyquist
limits, and it can't be targeted, due to the size of the wave.
Thanks for the reply, but you either failed to read the material, or you failed to understand it. Either way, not a single comment you have made has
Well, actually they all have. Point out the non-factual one. I'll wait.
Seriously, too, you should cite your counter-examples. No one, well, certainly not me, wants to read all that to ferret out the point you want to
make. I know that it's typical ATS to post a few dozen links and say "voila, go read all of this if you dare, meanwhile I'll make some posts that
vaguely refer to some information in there and you've got to dig through it all to discuss it" - it's a way of discouraging commentary. If I do go
read it all (blech) then your next move will be to say "No, I meant the OTHER reference he made" still without pointing out which specific one you
want to use as your exemplar.
In the meantime, I leave you with some specifics:
1) Nyquist criteria, in which you will discover that the bandwidth limit for conveying data over a radio wave is limited to less than 1/2 that of the
carrier, if you're using simple AM modulation, and really not much better if you're using multiple states per symbol such as QUAM. In the case of
ELF, which is going to be only a few dozen Hz to begin with, this is going to pretty much eliminate "thought transference" or whatnot.
2) Shannon's theorem, which tells you that Nyquist was being optimistic. If the channel's not perfect, it's more like 1/10 the carrier, which is
what Navy used to use for ELF data.
3) Resolution limits - in general you can't focus EM (including ELF) to less than a wavelength, and in reality it's worse due to diffraction
effects. Even if you had a parabolic dish a few tens of thousands of kilometers in diameter to focus your ELF, it's going to be a spot size in the
thousands of kilometers. Not neuron sized.