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Originally posted by charles1952
There's a question being batted around, "Why don't you call Americans terrorists if they are using violence to spread the ideology of capitalism?" May I offer a thought?
The answer is because we don't believe Americans are using violence to spread any ideology. We believe that Americans are using violence to prevent the spread of violent behavior coming from Islamic countries.
You might not agree that that is a good reason, but you asked for our reason, there you are.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by jjf3rd77
You are fine with a group bombing and killing in other nations to push an ideology, so long as
A)they are not muslim
And
B)they are pushing the ideal within which you have been indoctrinated.
don't you think before any attack by a muslim, the thought that goes through their head is 'i have to admit, it would be better if these people embraced allah"?
you seem very ok with it. You justify the american actions because "you gotta admit, democracy is better that what they have", yet you scream "TERRORIST!" At other doing the exact same thing, only they do it to us. You are a classic case of arrogance in this matter.
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by jjf3rd77
You are fine with a group bombing and killing in other nations to push an ideology, so long as
A)they are not muslim
And
B)they are pushing the ideal within which you have been indoctrinated.
don't you think before any attack by a muslim, the thought that goes through their head is 'i have to admit, it would be better if these people embraced allah"?
Of course I am not ok with bombing anybody, but I understand the motive. You can't educate these people or talk to these people they won't listen! So what's the solution wait it out and see if they grow up our of their extremist ways? Do you know how long that would take? OK or we can sit back while their dictators suppress basic human rights and kill their own kind? Seems justified to me!
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
You seem very ok with it. You justify the american actions because "you gotta admit, democracy is better that what they have", yet you scream "TERRORIST!" At other doing the exact same thing, only they do it to us. You are a classic case of arrogance in this matter.
I am giving up on getting an actual answer here, so I will ask no more questions here. But you have certainly shown your hand-you think america is better, and has a right to force its way onto other nationss, but those nations that do the same to us are terrorists.
Try to see the forest from the trees my friend
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
You seem very ok with it. You justify the american actions because "you gotta admit, democracy is better that what they have", yet you scream "TERRORIST!" At other doing the exact same thing, only they do it to us. You are a classic case of arrogance in this matter.
I am giving up on getting an actual answer here, so I will ask no more questions here. But you have certainly shown your hand-you think america is better, and has a right to force its way onto other nationss, but those nations that do the same to us are terrorists.
Try to see the forest from the trees my friend
Why are you justifying the terrorists so much? Why should I try to see it through their eyes when it is so obviously clear that they are fueled with religious mythology and are brainwashed to hate the western world? I don't want to live that way! And yes, I am proud to be American! The deeds we do may not always be right or ideal but than in an ideal world there would be no fighting over religious beliefs. These people kill their own and dehumanize their entire society based on their religious beliefs. If the US didn't interfere I think things might be even worse there just look at Africa!
So are you the same person who would like to look at the world through Hitler's eyes? or Stalins? How about Bin Laden's or Gaddafi? Compared to these people I don't see America as evil or so bad at all!
We might have a discussion over that point. I think one could argue that it is a war being fought on the enemies' home ground. Or, there might be other ways to describe it besides "terrorism."
(even though, by definition, what america is doing is very much terrorism).
I'm not sure I see a fallacy, although we may have different meanings for the word. I agree that "these groups" are doing what they believe is right. For that matter I think every group is doing what it thinks is right.
The fallacy comes in when I pose this question:do you not think that these groups are doing what they believe is right?
Depending on how you look at it, there are at least three different answers. 1) The US believes its land, people, and interests are being attacked, so they fight back. (Isn't that the same answer Islamic countries use?) 2) If you accept the idea of leaving people alone, the idea of conversion to Islam or death is abhorrent. So we're stopping it. 3) We believe it's important to have a friend in that region, and the Brotherhood and Wahabbis (Spelling?) are out to get them all. Use any or all answers if you'd like.
Why is it that you so easily accept that your way is superior?
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by captaintyinknots
Depending on how you look at it, there are at least three different answers. 1) The US believes its land, people, and interests are being attacked, so they fight back. (Isn't that the same answer Islamic countries use?) 2) If you accept the idea of leaving people alone, the idea of conversion to Islam or death is abhorrent. So we're stopping it. 3) We believe it's important to have a friend in that region, and the Brotherhood and Wahabbis (Spelling?) are out to get them all. Use any or all answers if you'd like.
With respect,
Charles1952
what is your point? Hitler was a nationalist. You are a nationalist.
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
reply to post by captaintyinknots
Hitler caused a holy war with jews! Muslims started a holy war with us. There's the difference. And I think we're going in circles because I never justified our wars. I just understand them. I would think others would too. So again, I ask what is the right solution to deal with the problem without wars, education, or diplomacy?
I know you are arguing the other side, but you are still making my points.
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by captaintyinknots
Dear captaintyinknots,
This is turning out to be a more complicated issue than I thought, perhaps I'm not communicating well because of the time (almost midnight here).
We might have a discussion over that point. I think one could argue that it is a war being fought on the enemies' home ground. Or, there might be other ways to describe it besides "terrorism."
(even though, by definition, what america is doing is very much terrorism).
I'm not sure I see a fallacy, although we may have different meanings for the word. I agree that "these groups" are doing what they believe is right. For that matter I think every group is doing what it thinks is right.
The fallacy comes in when I pose this question:do you not think that these groups are doing what they believe is right?
Depending on how you look at it, there are at least three different answers. 1) The US believes its land, people, and interests are being attacked, so they fight back. (Isn't that the same answer Islamic countries use?) 2) If you accept the idea of leaving people alone, the idea of conversion to Islam or death is abhorrent. So we're stopping it. 3) We believe it's important to have a friend in that region, and the Brotherhood and Wahabbis (Spelling?) are out to get them all. Use any or all answers if you'd like.
Why is it that you so easily accept that your way is superior?
With respect,
Charles1952
you haven't answered, you have dodged, but ill give you one more chance:
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
reply to post by captaintyinknots
What questions have I not specifically answered of yours? I have answered all of them as did other posters too l. Just because you do not like my answer doesn't mean I didn't answer it.