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Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by JohhnyBGood
The irony here is that we simply refuse to be ignorant of our own ill-actions.
I suppose when you throw the atheist aspect into the mix, you no longer have a god to blame or justify your actions with. You have only your own decisions.
The irony here is that we simply refuse to be ignorant of our own ill-actions.
I suppose when you throw the atheist aspect into the mix, you no longer have a god to blame or justify your actions with. You have only your own decisions
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
The Jihad is strong in Muslim countries.
They want to ignite a religious war against any non-Muslim believers. Now, of course not all Muslims want this just the extremists, and unfortunately there are a lot of them.
Another lame excuse the left gives is that we shouldn't hurt the terrorists because then we should hurt all extremist groups or none at all.
We can't kill an idea no and I agree with that, but we can kill the leaders of the movement and show them how wrong they were to attack our country in the name of their religion.
The jihad/extreme Muslim idea is to kill Americans to spread Islam just like we do the same thing to spread democracy.
Muslim extremists attacked us on 9/11 in the name of their God spreading their religious mythology onto others! That is a FACT! Stated by numerous politicians, religious leaders, and International Government Agencies.
Psycho-babble doesn't work on terrorists who hate our country based on their religious mythology and our ideals!
Many of the countries believe our type of education is American or European Propaganda and don't want it taught in their school systems. So, it's their own fault on that one too!
The left finds it difficult to reason with right wing religious Americans, how do you expect to talk to extreme Muslims who want to kill America and everything it stands for? You just cannot talk to these people.
Why shouldn't the US, go into those countries and try to "educate" them about democracy?
If we want them to grow up out of their extreme traditions, this has been pretty much the only way to do so. Force the lesser of two evils onto the people and see what happens. Of course it's not ideal, but if we were living in an ideal world, there would never be any fighting over religion. Hopefully with advances in social networking and the internet those people will begin to wake up and see the error of their ways.
Romancing the Jihad
Why are so many on the Left enamored with Islamism?
Ask those on the Left what values they champion, and they will say equality, tolerance, women’s rights, gay rights, workers’ rights, and human rights. Militant Islamists oppose all that, not infrequently through the application of lethal force.
So how does one explain the burgeoning Left-Islamist alliance? I know: There are principled individuals on the Left who do not condone terrorism or minimize the Islamist threat. The author Paul Berman, unambiguously and unashamedly a man of the Left, has been more incisive on these issues than just about anyone else. Left-of-center publications such as The New Republic have not been apologists for radical jihadists.
But The Nation has been soft on Islamism for decades. Back in 1979, editorial-board member Richard Falk welcomed the Iranian revolution, saying it “may yet provide us with a desperately-needed model of humane governance for a third-world country.” Immediately after Sept. 11, 2001, longtime Nation contributor Robert Fisk complained that “terrorism” is a “racist” term................
Originally posted by AdAbsurdum
Ah I see you have returned with out proof for your claims. Must mean you are happy being a liar. To each his own but hey you made my trip to your thread real easy so thanks for that.
Originally posted by jonnywhite
reply to post by jjf3rd77
Some people are predisposed to always support the underdog. The muslims are the underdog because they're not living in developed nations and yet possess much (desired) oil.
That is the primary reason.
The next reason is that many people who feel this way are not practicing christianity or judaism, so they have no religious compulsion to oppose islam (which can be very motivating).
They also feel that religious terrorists are too stupid to be evil. In other words, if you kill someone for a non-religious reason then you're EVIL! But if not then you're insane. It's a different reaction.
The last reason is... the creation of Israel in 1948 was largely driven by zionist motivations. People in this crowd feel that palestine should have been split in a two-state solution. A civil war was already mounting, so the solution must be inclusive, they pleed. Instead, what happened is that the two former resolutions were abandoned and they went with Israel, a one-state solution. Hundreds of thousands of palestinians became refugees overnight. Almost immediately, it was followed by a decleration of war from nearby Arab states. This war still continues to this day.edit on 22-12-2011 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Originally posted by AdAbsurdum
Ah I see you have returned with out proof for your claims. Must mean you are happy being a liar. To each his own but hey you made my trip to your thread real easy so thanks for that.
I don't have to explain myself to you, I've written everything down in my OP. If you don't believe me why not find more excuses to justify terrorists acts ok? I will happily defend my position! I would think that most people know what terrorists are without having to think about it.edit on 22-12-2011 by jjf3rd77 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by AdAbsurdum
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
If you don't believe me why not find more excuses to justify terrorists acts ok?]
Oh look more lies! You should really stop insulting the intelligence of the people who read this forum. The members of ATS are smart enough to see that you just tried to frame my position in bad light via intellectual dishonesty.
As for you defending your position, stamping your feet and stating you don't have to show proof isn't a defense it is just hilarious.edit on 22-12-2011 by AdAbsurdum because: (no reason given)
that doesn't answer the question at all. Why don't you consider the people invading nations to force anideology terrorist if they aren't muslim?
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
reply to post by captaintyinknots
Well, for us the UN and most of the modern world supported GWB's actions at first then things got out of hand and America went on high terror alert on everybody that looked at us wrong or insulted us! And that's our fault.
Originally posted by charles1952
I'd like to offer my own favorite reason, and I'd really appreciate criticism.
So why does the left approve of the Muslim path? I think there are two influences. One, the left doesn't like Christianity, neither do the Muslims, so why not be friends?
Two, the Muslims find a group they disagree with and use any possible method to get rid of their opponents. .