Why Does the Left Try so hard to Justify Terrorists in the Middle East?

reply to post by Flint2011




Show me.

Or is it that you have a problem distinguishing between

your philosophy, beliefs, perspectives

vs

your personhood?

I haven't attacked anyone's personhood.

IF you have such a hard time distinguishing between the two, then perhaps you are wearing too much on your sleeve or have too hard a time detaching what you ARE from what you do or say.

Given the gentleness with which I responded to you and the harshness of your reply . . . I can only shake my head incredulously.

HI,
honestly its rhetoric on both sides.....if you defend them you are a liberal.....if you are against them you are a republican....so I cant be against them and a liberal or defend them if I am a republican....If I were to "cross the streams" bad things would happen???
PEOPLE defend them because they want their ill will to stop,,,and its not because they are jealous of our freedom....lol...
PEOPLE are against them because they want their ill will to be in vain.....not because they are crazy and actually advocate bombing the world over...............no they dont its a show........

so this thread is actually feeding the rhetoric on both sides because it makes the assumption that liberals always do this when really you dont know the political views of the people asking for understanding of our given opponent...you can guess...but you cant really know unless a large group of people sets out to ask everyone if they defend them and if they are in fact liberal.....

so......you are asking a flawed question...the answers cant be much better from that point....

reply to post by captaintyinknots


Questions you have not answered of mine are you ready?

Why do you continue to support the terrorists (radical Muslims) as defined by your own government, military, and country?
What do you think reshaping geopolitics means to extreme Muslims and known terrorists?
Do you believe that the 3000 innocent people deserved to die on 9/11?

Exactly the liberals want us to take the blame for the terrorists actions ok but so what? They will still attack us and try to kill us if we don't do anything about it.
So what's the solution wait it out and see if they grow up out of their extremist ways? Do you know how long that would take?

So are you the same person who would like to look at the world through Hitler's eyes? or Stalins? How about Bin Laden's or Gaddafi?

So again, I ask what is the right solution to deal with the problem without wars, education, or diplomacy?

Fine then let them kill themselves so sorry for trying to help backwards living people and to promote a peaceful loving world isn't that usually what liberals want tho?

You don't think that their society is inhumane?

Do you believe that dictatorships should have the freedom(?) to govern their countries, when it is known what they do, they don't allow their people any freedoms, and they finance hated filled propaganda type groups to spread a false message around the world?
If war, education, and diplomacy is not the answer what is?

Leaving them be to kill themselves and do more 9/11s because its collateral damage from before? The left feels that the Right does what they do based on the Christian Religion and yet, when talking about Muslims extremists they find any other excuse but religion to try and justify their actions. Why?

and my personal favorite that you skipped over:

Why should I try to see it through their eyes when it is so obviously clear that they are fueled with religious mythology and are brainwashed to hate the western world?

Now I am waiting for you to answer all these questions without twisting words, blaming America, or answering with questions. If you do one of these things for any of my questions above, do not expect a response from me!

reply to post by BRITWARRIOR


Yes you are actually providing some facts instead of trying your hardest might to defend terrorists

reply to post by newyorkee


I think you can see for yourself that this thread has almost proved my point with a few members on here who like to twist things out of perspective. Pretty much labeling themselves terrorists based on actions of past generations before admitting who other terrorists are, today.

reply to post by Morg234


On the contrary, he might spend loads of time in there cause he seems to love the Muslim world with all his heart! It may be what originally sparked his compassion for them, "all these people attacking the poor terrorists. Cries...Cries...Cries..."

reply to post by Flint2011


Unfortunately you really hardly ever get to choose your enemies, the government will always tell you who is the enemy especially if we are to continue this ever increasing government crap, "Oh now citizens might be terrorists too!"

reply to post by newyorkee


I concur. You put it in words I could not. I commend you and agree completely. Thank you for your exchange here. It is appreciated.

Let me run back to my Lefty, liberal, hippie, terrorist/Muslim loving, overly sensitive corner and hide now.

reply to post by jjf3rd77

Now I am waiting for you to answer all these questions without twisting words, blaming America, or answering with questions. If you do one of these things for any of my questions above, do not expect a response from me!

Do you often watch paint crawl while you wait for such things? LOL.

Much appreciate your logic. I think you make good points.

. . . for those with ears to hear and eyes to see . . .

which seem to be increasing rarities in our world and era.

reply to post by jjf3rd77

Well, as I stated in my OP. I think the modernized west wants a quick transition from extreme radical islam ruling the politics of the Middle East to proper Education and the freedom of democracy. You have to admit that democracy would be tons better than what those people have to live under today!

Logical and reasonable points.

I just don't believe that's what the PTB want.

They WANT AND ARE ENGINEERING A MUCH WORSE TYRANNY. But they are determined to wipe out the old tyrannies first. And, it appears that they plan to use Islam as a way to wipe out the old religions etc. before they then wipe out Islam and require all to worship satan directly.

reply to post by The Sword

Why do people like YOU have to make generalizations about people like ME?

I do NOT condone terrorism.

PERHAPS . . . .

Only perhaps . . .

PERHAPS WHEN

more non-Muslims see the 30% of Muslims not participating in nor giving any support to violent Jihad . . . AND INSTEAD working hard to neutralize those 70% of Islam members who do . . . .

AND WHEN

Muslims rewrite the Koran to remove the 109+ orders, injunctions etc. to visit violence on all non-Muslims to the point of their extermination . . . .

it would be more reasonable to hope for some change in our non-Muslim perspective.

reply to post by BO XIAN


I think if the tables were reverse and it was the Muslims who dominated the world like so many of the left seem to want, Christians would become the terrorists and blowing themselves up screaming Jesus at the top of their lungs!

They don't want violence, but violence is a part of human nature that we can never get rid of. This must be why the Dems are always whining or blaming others. They act insane when their wishes for society are impractical dreams! That's why I am proud to be a practical-thinking CONSERVATIVE! I don't get upset when an unattainable dream spirals out of control!

reply to post by The Sword

If we hadn't meddled with their affairs decades ago, we wouldn't have terrorism or terrorists!

1. That's grossly naive, imho, in terms of the founding docs of Islam. See my post above with links to the violence ordered, commanded in the original documents of Islam.

Here's more such documentation:

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

A few samples from the Koran:

The Quran:

Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.



Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."



Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

A few samples from the Hadith:

From the Hadith:



Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."



Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.



Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'



Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)



Abu Dawud (14:2527) - The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious



Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

2. "Meddling with their affairs" doesn't have a great deal to do with it. They are DUTY BOUND AND COMMITTED TO SEEKING OUT EVERY LAST NON-MUSLIM AND EXTERMINATING THEM, regardless of whether we bother them, or not.

3. And all that has nothing to do with the Marxist globalist oligarchy who are merely USING ISLAM to destroy the old order to allow them to enforce their new worse tyranny on the planet.

reply to post by jjf3rd77


Your right education is the answer, perhaps you should educate yourself instead of spouting the same old tired bo*l*cks on the internet. You have clearly formed your opinion by listening to another ill informerd individual. and have tarred every lefty with the same brush, in turn making yourself appear as a typical right wing paranoid fool.As for Lefties loving Terrorism, wrong again, I'm a lefty and I have no sympathy for political or Religious terrorism, once you turm to violence your opinion is illigitimate. America has no Left wing, It's all different extremes of Right, try reading more. I have yet to meet or talk to an American who actually knows what communism is. I f I sound rude at all I don't mean to, but outburst such as yours generally make me want to vomit.

reply to post by jjf3rd77


That's an interesting hypothesis.

A chunk of Christians are pacifists to the death.

Others are prone to prayer and fasting in behalf of GOD DEALING with the baddies.

A vast percentage are very prone to DEFENDING their families and communities from external assaults.

A much smaller percentage would quite possibly take the fight to the evil doers seeking the Christians' exterminations.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

So why did you feel the need to write two more posts in two hours after I clearly stated I'd be back in the morning?

When have you stuck up for terrorists? When you say crap like this it clearly means you don't like Freedom or basic human rights. OH the poor terrorists! Leave them alone!

And why are they the only terrorists? Why do you not consider outside armies INVADING countries and forcing capitalist ideals on those people to be terrorism?

Clearly freedom annoys you!

You calling them terrorists is no different then their dislike of you for your 'freedom' (which, by the way, is an asinine argument).

And then when you say crap like this it makes me think you are a brainwashed idiot thus disproving all the points you were making before about not labeling or how this war is not religious.

don't you think before any attack by a muslim, the thought that goes through their head is 'i have to admit, it would be better if these people embraced allah"?

In your humble opinion:

And let's be clear, these wars have nothing to do with forcing democracy. By its very definition, democracy cannot be forced. It is about spreading capitalism.

Can you PROVE this to me? Go ahead I dare ya!

Sticking up for more terrorism:

Exactly! Its about what we believe is right, therefore we don't label it terrorism (even though, by definition, what america is doing is very much terrorism).

Why is it that you so easily accept that your way is superior?

Another question answered with a question. You like to do this a lot! There is overwhelming evidence to support that democracy is a much better system than loose governments run by religious nut jobs.

Sticking up for terrorists or Radical Islam take your pick:

You justify the american actions because "you gotta admit, democracy is better that what they have",

You accuse me of sticking up for America the terrorists

The onlt person justifying terrorist actions in our exchange is you, and you have done it adamantly.

so I will ask no more questions here.

If only that were the case. Now I am going to write another post to you about all the questions that I have asked you and you didn't answer so please wait patiently.

edit on 24-12-2011 by jjf3rd77 because: (no reason given)

1)how do you take my asking qusetions as supporting terrorism? Show me one single comment that states as much. Posting my question and stating that you inferred something from it means nothing other that you don't get it. I have not ststed support for EITHER side here. This is simply more lying from you.

2)I personally love freedom, and it doesn't annoy me at all. Show me where I have stated as much, or admit, again, that you are a liar.

3)so basically you are saying muslims are subhuman and are not subject to thoughts, fear, and anger. There's that ignorance and racism again.

4)I don't need to prove that it is about capitalism over democracy. Its common sense. Democracy CANNOT, by definition, be forced. Therefore, all that's left is capitalism. Not too complicated for an adult to figure out.

5)my pointing out that terrorism is a subjective term and can, and is used as suxh is not sticking up for anything. It is pointing out the idiocy of so many that buy into semantics. So there's another lie on your part.

6)overwhelming evidence to support that democracy is better? Funny how you won't admit that you have never lived in a muslim society. Wonder why that is? Because it proves that all you know about it is from a western perpective, and therefore, biased? Hmmmm

7)ill say it again: the only one sticking up for acts of terror in this exchange is you. I comdemn all who would use aggressive violence to force their way. You condone it, so long as it agrees with your view. So yeah, you do support it.
Not anywhere in all of this drivel did you even come close to answering my questions or provig your accusations. So again, I state oit flatly. You lie. You are a liar.

reply to post by jjf3rd77


Its not really about Religion, its about Jews and Christians.

Similarly, its not really about Feminism, otherwise they'd love Condi Rice and Sarah Palin.

Its not really about equal rights, otherwise they'd promote flat tax.

Anything they tell you is meant to look good while masking hatred. They are truly the wolf in sheeps clothing and the biggest danger the world faces today.

Text 2. "Meddling with their affairs" doesn't have a great deal to do with it. They are DUTY BOUND AND COMMITTED TO SEEKING OUT EVERY LAST NON-MUSLIM AND EXTERMINATING THEM, regardless of whether we bother them, or not.

Exactly - the simple brutal truth that is simply too uncomfortable to hear for the average person.

And the simple brutal truth that Islamic spokesmen will avoid admitting at all costs - because your ignorance of it, is the only way for them to achieve it.

reply to post by Shminkee Pinkee

America has no Left wing, It's all different extremes of Right

By "left wing" I mean the globalist/Marxist/socialist philosophical orientation, values, choices, strategies, methods, goals . . .

1. The left wing has been in charge, rather rigid !!!!CONTROL!!!! of the education system for most of at least 60 years.

2. The left wing has been in charge, rather rigid !!!!CONTROL!!!! of the scientific journals for most of at least 60 years.

3. The left wing has been in charge, rather rigid !!!!CONTROL!!!! of the newspapers for most of at least 60 years.

4. The left wing has been in charge, rather rigid !!!!CONTROL!!!! of the movies for most of at least 60 years.

5. The left wing has been in charge, rather rigid !!!!CONTROL!!!! of the TV productions, news programs, entertainment, cartoons, and science programs for most of at least 60 years.

6. The left wing has been in charge, rather rigid !!!!CONTROL!!!! of the political system--Administrative, Congress and more than 50% of the Federal courts for most of at least 60 years.

7. The left wing has been in charge, rather rigid !!!!CONTROL!!!! of a growing percentage of the religious landscape for most of at least 60 years.

8. The left wing has been in charge, rather rigid !!!!CONTROL!!!! of large corporations for most of at least 60 years.

9. The left wing has been in charge, rather rigid !!!!CONTROL!!!! of the horrifically destructive taxation system and goals for most of at least 60 years.

10. The left wing has been in charge, rather rigid !!!!CONTROL!!!! of major chunks of the grossly corrupt and tyrannical labor movement--particularly in most key states--for most of at least 60 years.

11. The left wing has been in charge, rather rigid !!!!CONTROL!!!! of the energy distribution system for most of at least 60 years.

12. The left wing has been in charge, rather rigid !!!!CONTROL!!!! of the medical profession and industry for most of at least 60 years.

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It's mystifying to me how anyone who considers themselves to be informed and the least bit bright could have missed all that over so many decades.

Maybe there are more people living under rocks--maybe in deep bunkers--or caves, than I thought. /humor off

Or is it that the DAFFYNITIONARY is in use . . . where

left = right
right = left
black = white
white = black

good = evil
evil = good

???

ISAIAH 5:20

New International Version (©1984)
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

New Living Translation (©2007)
What sorrow for those who say that evil is good and good is evil, that dark is light and light is dark, that bitter is sweet and sweet is bitter.

Micah 7:3

New International Version (©1984)
Both hands are skilled in doing evil; the ruler demands gifts, the judge accepts bribes, the powerful dictate what they desire--they all conspire together.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Both their hands are equally skilled at doing evil! Officials and judges alike demand bribes. The people with influence get what they want, and together they scheme to twist justice.

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reply to post by JohhnyBGood


I think anything but liberal feel good mentality makes them uncomfortable. It's funny because, they want a large government but yet, they refuse to believe reasons that the government states why they are in the Middle East waging wars that are apparently also so-called terrorist acts! And yet they attack conservatives for wanting a smaller government and questioning government's actions.