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Why do you continue to support the terrorists (radical Muslims) as defined by your own government, military, and country?
What do you think reshaping geopolitics means to extreme Muslims and known terrorists?
Do you believe that the 3000 innocent people deserved to die on 9/11?
Exactly the liberals want us to take the blame for the terrorists actions ok but so what? They will still attack us and try to kill us if we don't do anything about it.
So what's the solution wait it out and see if they grow up out of their extremist ways? Do you know how long that would take?
So are you the same person who would like to look at the world through Hitler's eyes? or Stalins? How about Bin Laden's or Gaddafi?
So again, I ask what is the right solution to deal with the problem without wars, education, or diplomacy?
Fine then let them kill themselves so sorry for trying to help backwards living people and to promote a peaceful loving world isn't that usually what liberals want tho?
You don't think that their society is inhumane?
Do you believe that dictatorships should have the freedom(?) to govern their countries, when it is known what they do, they don't allow their people any freedoms, and they finance hated filled propaganda type groups to spread a false message around the world?
If war, education, and diplomacy is not the answer what is?
Leaving them be to kill themselves and do more 9/11s because its collateral damage from before? The left feels that the Right does what they do based on the Christian Religion and yet, when talking about Muslims extremists they find any other excuse but religion to try and justify their actions. Why?
Why should I try to see it through their eyes when it is so obviously clear that they are fueled with religious mythology and are brainwashed to hate the western world?
Now I am waiting for you to answer all these questions without twisting words, blaming America, or answering with questions. If you do one of these things for any of my questions above, do not expect a response from me!
Well, as I stated in my OP. I think the modernized west wants a quick transition from extreme radical islam ruling the politics of the Middle East to proper Education and the freedom of democracy. You have to admit that democracy would be tons better than what those people have to live under today!
Why do people like YOU have to make generalizations about people like ME?
I do NOT condone terrorism.
If we hadn't meddled with their affairs decades ago, we wouldn't have terrorism or terrorists!
Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.
Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.
From the Hadith:
Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.
Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'
Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)
Abu Dawud (14:2527) - The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious
Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
reply to post by captaintyinknots
So why did you feel the need to write two more posts in two hours after I clearly stated I'd be back in the morning?
When have you stuck up for terrorists? When you say crap like this it clearly means you don't like Freedom or basic human rights. OH the poor terrorists! Leave them alone!
And why are they the only terrorists? Why do you not consider outside armies INVADING countries and forcing capitalist ideals on those people to be terrorism?
Clearly freedom annoys you!
You calling them terrorists is no different then their dislike of you for your 'freedom' (which, by the way, is an asinine argument).
And then when you say crap like this it makes me think you are a brainwashed idiot thus disproving all the points you were making before about not labeling or how this war is not religious.
don't you think before any attack by a muslim, the thought that goes through their head is 'i have to admit, it would be better if these people embraced allah"?
In your humble opinion:
And let's be clear, these wars have nothing to do with forcing democracy. By its very definition, democracy cannot be forced. It is about spreading capitalism.
Can you PROVE this to me? Go ahead I dare ya!
Sticking up for more terrorism:
Exactly! Its about what we believe is right, therefore we don't label it terrorism (even though, by definition, what america is doing is very much terrorism).
Why is it that you so easily accept that your way is superior?
Another question answered with a question. You like to do this a lot! There is overwhelming evidence to support that democracy is a much better system than loose governments run by religious nut jobs.
Sticking up for terrorists or Radical Islam take your pick:
You justify the american actions because "you gotta admit, democracy is better that what they have",
You accuse me of sticking up for America the terrorists
The onlt person justifying terrorist actions in our exchange is you, and you have done it adamantly.
so I will ask no more questions here.
If only that were the case. Now I am going to write another post to you about all the questions that I have asked you and you didn't answer so please wait patiently.edit on 24-12-2011 by jjf3rd77 because: (no reason given)
Text 2. "Meddling with their affairs" doesn't have a great deal to do with it. They are DUTY BOUND AND COMMITTED TO SEEKING OUT EVERY LAST NON-MUSLIM AND EXTERMINATING THEM, regardless of whether we bother them, or not.
America has no Left wing, It's all different extremes of Right
New International Version (©1984)
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
New Living Translation (©2007)
What sorrow for those who say that evil is good and good is evil, that dark is light and light is dark, that bitter is sweet and sweet is bitter.
New International Version (©1984)
Both hands are skilled in doing evil; the ruler demands gifts, the judge accepts bribes, the powerful dictate what they desire--they all conspire together.
New Living Translation (©2007)
Both their hands are equally skilled at doing evil! Officials and judges alike demand bribes. The people with influence get what they want, and together they scheme to twist justice.