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Originally posted by ugie1028
Look forward and kick the door down that’s blocking you from making a real change.
Originally posted by thedeadlyrhythm
that being said, i think the left will have a much harder time co-opting the ows movement to its own ends. the ows movement is equally fed up with both parties, and they realize that any political support is just that: political. they saw first hand the 'change' many of them voted for. they all know the system is corrupt. we won't get fooled againedit on 11-10-2011 by thedeadlyrhythm because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Open2Truth
"The control of a large force is the same principle as the control of a few men: it is merely a question of dividing up their numbers." Sun Tzu, The Art of War.
And divide us they have. Fighting - between political parties, ideologies, religions, classes, countries, sexes, ethnicities - has become such an accepted way of life that it is seen by many as an inevitable and necessary part of the process for change. It is far from it. It is the one sure way to ensure that nothing of great import changes at all. And that benefits none of us.
S&F for an insightful thread and glimpse at the bigger picture.
Originally posted by Flatfish
First I would like to inquire as to why you sourced WIKI in this thread? The OP sounds a lot more like an opinion than it does sourced material.
Originally posted by ugie1028
reply to post by bigvanhorn
Yes I agree, the tea party was taken over by mr beck and Palin and any credibility they had went down with them!
its sad that these movements of thousands can be taken over by a hand full of people and then turned upside down.
I will see this happening to OWS unless they all change their game plans and dont let any kind of political pundit into their circle. its by the people for the people! Not by the people, for a few greedy politicians.
Originally posted by ugie1028
Originally posted by Flatfish
First I would like to inquire as to why you sourced WIKI in this thread? The OP sounds a lot more like an opinion than it does sourced material.
Just to quickly answer the first part before I read the rest.
I posted the wiki links just for those who have no idea what OWS was or what the tea party was. its just information readily available if people wanted to do a little bit of research on them. I kinda just included a shortcut... make it easier on the user.
EDIT: rest of reply
I know a few OWS protesters that have been there since day one. I have already been there twice and have an inside look into whats going on there. I have interviewed a few people, I have interacted with them. I have asked my friends what they thought of it (the ones on the ground there.) etc.
and yes i do get it, and i do see similarities with both groups. I don't understand why people think a protest like this one is different from the tea party protests. they are basically protesting against the same people in power regardless of what ideology they have. yes ideologically speaking they are different, but the end goals still the same... they want the bastards who ruined the economy to be flushed out and to hold them accountable.edit on 10/11/2011 by ugie1028 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Flatfish
I think that the main objective of the Tea Party is pretty obvious now that everyone has gotten the chance to see them in action. Obstruct, obstruct , obstruct or whatever it takes, no matter what the cost, to insure that Obama is a one term president, even if it means bringing this nation to it's knees to get it done. IMO, nothing could be more anti-american!
The Tea Party is Not me, never was me and never will be me. On the other hand, I have no problem associating myself in favor of the OWS movement.
Let me add that IMO, any attempt to paint the two movements as "one in the same," is nothing more than an attempt by the Tea Party to hijack the OWS movement
Originally posted by SeventhSeal
Originally posted by ugie1028
reply to post by bigvanhorn
Yes I agree, the tea party was taken over by mr beck and Palin and any credibility they had went down with them!
its sad that these movements of thousands can be taken over by a hand full of people and then turned upside down.
I will see this happening to OWS unless they all change their game plans and dont let any kind of political pundit into their circle. its by the people for the people! Not by the people, for a few greedy politicians.
Don't forget it was taken over by homophobic, racist, bigoted, moronic, uncivil, illogical human beings known as Republican voters as well. They are extremely bitter individuals who can not get over the fact a black man is in office, oh and him being a Democrat is also a kick in the balls.
These people were Not around protesting Bush, so don't try to pretend they were. They were happily in front of their television sets with Fox News on telling them "Everything is Ok." Now Obama is in office, "Everything is ruined."
F these people.
Originally posted by seabag
The Tea Party is Anti-American?? You can’t be serious!! Name calling is just a technique liberals use when they can’t defend their policies.
Originally posted by seabag
What's bringing America to its knees is the fact that Obama has spent more money in 3 years than all Presidents from Washington to Bush Sr. combined. Liberalism has never worked. It always leads to more oppression, more poverty, and more dependence on government while discouraging personal responsibility. The current destruction of America is a direct result of liberalism and secularism. Obama’s unconstitutional health-care bill, his massive deficit spending, and the looming threat of more taxes and regulation have led us to economic collapse. Conservatives understand that big spending liberal, socialist policies are unsustainable and do not work. The sooner you realize that a social utopia is complete fantasy, the sooner we can get people back to work.
In 1967 LaRouche began teaching classes on Marx's dialectical materialism at New York City's Free School, and attracted a group of students from Columbia University and the City College of New York, recommending that they read Das Kapital, as well as Hegel, Kant, and Leibniz. During the 1968 Columbia University protests, he organized his supporters under the name the National Caucus of Labor Committees (NCLC). The aim of the NCLC was to win control of the Students for a Democratic Society branch—the university's main activist group—and build a political alliance between students, local residents, organized labor, and the Columbia faculty.[17