OWS vs Tea Party - AKA You VS Yourself!

The Tea Party: WIKI

The tea party was a political movement started a few years ago by grass roots movements across the United States. These groups of people were fed up (pun intended) with the massive amount of federal spending going on within government including the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and basically anything that the government spent their money on. These people were high spirited people who organized a march to Washington DC to show how frustrated they were with the current form of government that is still in place. These people were of all race and creed. They were not primarily right wing, or left wing or center. They were you; they were me and anyone else in between.

However since its base insisted on cutting spending, being fiscally responsible, and yes even wanting to end THE FED they were labeled as right wing. The republicans in Washington DC (And the right wing media) took full advantage of this movement and use it (And still do use it) as a means to describe what the right wing should be (and use these ideals as their own to get elected.) The so called leaders of the tea party movement say they share the same views as this group but in reality – DON’T! (You have been used!)
This movement was started by the people, for the people but has been taken over by the right wing and used as a political tool to get elected by the same tea party members.

Occupy Wall Street: WIKI
A recent political movement started by many small groups across the country using social media as a means to communicate with their peers. This group isn’t protesting the government, but the hub of the US financial system known as Wall Street. This movement was started because they believe Wall Street has gambled away their future. They believe that the 1% of the US or world’s population control 99% of the wealth. These people are idealistic, and seem to be willing to sit through a winter to make their point. They believe that social programs will benefit society. They believe that the elites should share the wealth and let everyone have a slice of the pie. They disagree with capitalism PERIOD! They believe capitalism as well as the Wall Street elitists have purposely crashed the economy to the point where they have all the wealth and the people don’t. Some there want the FED to end, some don’t care; hell even some people want the fed to print more, WAY more and believe it would fix the economy!

These people are not all socialists. The initial bunch of protesters were, but it has grown to where it includes everyone on the political spectrum; Left/right/center. They are all there right now! (At least within the media) they are seen as left wing liberals. In the end, this movement was started by the people for the people.

So far this is pretty much my summary of both movements. Notice a similarity though? Notice that both of these movements feel the same, yet are completely different (From an ideological point of view.) but one in the same because ‘we the people’ have basically had enough of our broken system. The tea partiers wanted to limit government because all the spending would bankrupt this country. OWS is fed up with the global elitists that control, hoard, and have a stranglehold on all the wealth in the world while leaving the 99% behind.
Isn’t it strange? Yet are from completely different political ideologies, But they are really one in the same; you, your neighbor, your ATS friends in the US and abroad. We are both affected by the government spending that has sunk the world in an economic hole, and Wall Street and the central bankers are doing NOTHING to seal this hole.

Strange both movements want something out of this based on their ideology (Left/right & center) yet you have to think for a moment… who is the left? Who is the right? And who is dead center? I would have to say its everyone at this point.

We have to take a step back and realize the trap we setup ourselves in. Soon the OWS protest/movement will be hijacked by the left, like the tea party was hijacked by the right. Don’t you see it’s the same people who pull the strings on these movements? These supposed movements of change are allowed to happen only to be used against you and yourself . You thought the tea party is stupid but not OWS? What about vice versa? You see if you think along those lines you are just arguing and disagreeing with yourself. Both movements were started by everyone… but since it has a label (left or right.) you immediately disagree instead of taking a better look at the big picture.

Now that The idea has been planted into your head, what do you do next? Support both sides? No not going to work? Join one side and not the other? Sure you can, but that won’t help. Realize that both movements are one in the same VIA changing who is in power in the financial sector and government? YES! I believe that’s where both sides can agree on.

Maybe you should stop fighting both sides… fighting with yourself… Look forward and kick the door down that’s blocking you from making a real change.

EDIT: Thanks Open2Truth for proof reading my thread!

reply to post by ugie1028


Very inspiring ugie. In the end we will always have labels on us to fit the scapegoat nicely, but they can't hide the truth forever. When people get pissed and start to ask questions to why things are so messed up the way they are, not even the 1% can stop the wrath of the 99%. $&F

reply to post by Stop-loss!


Thanks for the reply SL!

Its more like the 1% cant stop distracting the 99% anymore because of labels. Because the 99% no matter how you slice it will cover ever single layer in the political spectrum... while the 1% try to make the 99% fight themselves.... we all have the same goal in the end anyway.

Thank you very much for this thread.

However, the people who agree with you don't need this information
and
The people who need this information will never agree with you.

It is sad but there are so many people (especially on this web site) who are so deeply ingrained into the left/right paradigm that they have little hope of ever freeing themselves.
They are just dug in too deep.

I could be wrong but I have yet to ever see anyone do a total 180 and admit/realize they they have been wrong in
their polarizing views and change the way they approach polarizing topics.


Edit to add:
The last line of this post originally finished with,

"You either 'get it' or you don't".
Implying that people who are of a polarized mindset don't "get it"
and people who have outgrown the need for a polarized mindset do "Get it".

Then I realized after I posted it that this statement was in itself POLARIZING!!!!
You either get it or you don't???
Agghhh, this polarizing mindset ensnares even the most astute obsevers of this phenomenon sometimes.
So, in the interest of fair play I am outing myself and letting everyone know that I am human too.

reply to post by Screwed


No problem.

and yes, i agree, those who get it, will, those who don't, wont. It will take an event to wake these people up to the reality that they are going to and will be used. Look into the past... see how groups such as this one were used against themselves.

its always a fight for the crumbs while the money changers/central bankers/elitists tell you who to fight who while they run to the bank (pun again intended and continued from the OP)

But hell... ill try my best to give my point of view which i think is more if not the most accurate compared to those who are on the left/right side of things... its just a label... give it up... its just a tool that's used against you.

"The control of a large force is the same principle as the control of a few men: it is merely a question of dividing up their numbers." Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

And divide us they have. Fighting - between political parties, ideologies, religions, classes, countries, sexes, ethnicities - has become such an accepted way of life that it is seen by many as an inevitable and necessary part of the process for change. It is far from it. It is the one sure way to ensure that nothing of great import changes at all. And that benefits none of us.

S&F for an insightful thread and glimpse at the bigger picture.

I don't see the two as that much different from each other either in regards to their goals, even though their roads are different.

reply to post by ugie1028


The Tea Party was created by Ron Paul.
The people on wallstreet are not anti capitalist. The problem is we no longer operate under free market capitalism. The game is rigged.
They have stolen the wealth. They have imploded our economy by design. They will continue to steal our money.
The Federal Reserve does need to be abolished considering it goes against our constitution and that we didnt have a central bank in this country until 1913 because our founding fathers were strictly against the idea.
The media refused to even cover this until they got the green light. It went on for weeks until msm actually covered it.

reply to post by ugie1028

A very clear, well-written piece that, in my opinion, sums up the issue at hand in a truthful manner. It is so rare to find something like this that I saved it to my PC.

Reading it reminds me of how many lies Americans go through these days, so many, that something as obvious as this can get clouded up and even suppressed by people unwilling to believe the truth.

Thanks.

You vs Yourself?

Sorry, I'm not a Tea Partier, I believe in equality for all, I am for women's rights, I am anti war whether its a Republican OR Democrat in office, etc.

The Tea Party is still the biggest joke in this country right now.

reply to post by ugie1028
Just vote for Ron Paul and all this crap will be sorted out and our country will be pulled back from the edge of destruction. Otherwise, don't whine and cry about your lives because you will definitely have yourselves to blame. Don't misunderstand me, I have little faith in Americans who I am one of but don't claim; this country deserves exactly what it gets and has gotten and I truly can't wait to get out from amongst you.

Originally posted by e11888
reply to post by ugie1028

 

The Tea Party was created by Ron Paul.
The people on wallstreet are not anti capitalist. The problem is we no longer operate under free market capitalism. The game is rigged.
They have stolen the wealth. They have imploded our economy by design. They will continue to steal our money.
The Federal Reserve does need to be abolished considering it goes against our constitution and that we didnt have a central bank in this country until 1913 because our founding fathers were strictly against the idea.
The media refused to even cover this until they got the green light. It went on for weeks until msm actually covered it.

The Tea Party was also murdered by Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck. When those two jumped on the bandwagon and made millions off of the the tea party movement it to me was over. Its just another way to divide the people.

Wow - you and I posted almost identical threads at the same time.

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reply to post by darkbake


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reply to post by bigvanhorn


Yes I agree, the tea party was taken over by mr beck and Palin and any credibility they had went down with them!

its sad that these movements of thousands can be taken over by a hand full of people and then turned upside down.

I will see this happening to OWS unless they all change their game plans and dont let any kind of political pundit into their circle. its by the people for the people! Not by the people, for a few greedy politicians.

I was actually hoping for a Braveheart-style battle between them (tea vs ows), but maybe they'll meet in the battlefield and shake hands instead, like the Irish in that movie. In any case, I'd join if I was guaranteed a high position in the next government, but since I'm not, I will be apathetic. . . . one of the the 99% who are apathetic vs the 1% who protest.

at least this story is catching on. other people are getting this idea too.

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I just hope a LOT more people wake up to this soon.

the original tea party died the second it was bought and bandwagoned by the gop likes of palin/beck/etc

i work in churches and hear extremely ignorant 60-somethings talking about the tea party, showing an extreme lack of knowledge about history, blabbing repeated talking points from limbaugh/oreilly/beck, and hating on socialist obama every single day. while ows and the infancy of the tea party may have something in common, there is no common ground left.

that being said, i think the left will have a much harder time co-opting the ows movement to its own ends. the ows movement is equally fed up with both parties, and they realize that any political support is just that: political. they saw first hand the 'change' many of them voted for. they all know the system is corrupt. we won't get fooled again

I agree with the general idea that a movement with a principled position can get taken over by existing political forces and the tea party is a good example.
However, there are a number of differences between TP and OWS.
Due to the almost anarchistic nature of OWS, I don't think OWS would accept it if somebody from the left tried to take over the movement.
Second it will be pretty hard for somebody close to the Democratic Party to take over, when the Democratic Party is in government at the moment - OWS is pissed off with Wall Street yes, but by extension they are pissed with the current administration because they haven't done anything about the power of Wall Street. Ergo the OWS is pissed off with Democratic Party and its officials.

Also I don't think that the typical profile of an OWS protestor includes believing the media, whether that is CNN or Fox. On the other hand the TP, fell in with Fox pretty early.

reply to post by ugie1028


I saw an interview where about a dozen protestors were asked what the protest was about. The same answer was given by only 2 of the protestors. Those 2 said, "I'm not sure"...

Reminds me of the crying toddler who, when asked by his parent, "What's wrong?", the child replies, "I don't know."

There's a lot of protestors and just as many agendas on the streets of New York right now. Obama is the one who gave all the banks the money and yet he claims to support the protestors. My guess is that the mass majority of the protestors voted for him and would do it again.

...ignorance begets ignorance...and a protest without a clear agenda is really just a riot...