OWS vs Tea Party - AKA You VS Yourself!

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Flatfish

 

For the record, it was LaRouche who had the Obama Hitler posters. Wanna see? While we are on the subject of LaRouche, that guy is really a mixed bag. He tried to form his own labour party, and the symbal was the fist, same as the Communist Party and incidentally the OWS logo on the early posters as well. And you know what? He ran for election in the Democrat Party many times. He has flirted with socialist organizations and strangely enough backed Reagan's SDI. An odd combination.

In 1967 LaRouche began teaching classes on Marx's dialectical materialism at New York City's Free School, and attracted a group of students from Columbia University and the City College of New York, recommending that they read Das Kapital, as well as Hegel, Kant, and Leibniz. During the 1968 Columbia University protests, he organized his supporters under the name the National Caucus of Labor Committees (NCLC). The aim of the NCLC was to win control of the Students for a Democratic Society branch—the university's main activist group—and build a political alliance between students, local residents, organized labor, and the Columbia faculty.[17

en.wikipedia.org...

So just because some LaRouche ppl showed up at a Tea party doesn't mean they ran it or are a major constituent. I Noticed that the communist party is roaming about the OWS crowd quite a bit. Do they run it?

Oh I see now, It was all Lyndon LaRouche's fault. Please! There for a while, it was so bad that I thought Glenn beck had Hitler Tourette's syndrome. Every other word out of his mouth was Hitler as if he couldn't even control it.

Ugie is right. If people could step away from their political party alignments, they would see this is true. Seems to me some people thrive on the bipartisan bickering. Continuing down that path will get us nowhere.

WE are OWS
WE are THE TEA PARTY
WE are ALL DISENFRANCHISED
WE are THE 99%
WE are THE 53%
WE REFUSE to be FRACTURED OR MARGINALIZED BY DIVISION

OUR MESSAGE IS CLEAR, WE ARE UNITED…..

OUR LEADERS WILL HEAR US, WE WILL AFFECT CHANGE….

THIS IS A CALL TO THE TEA PARTY AND OWS TO UNITE
CONVERGE ON WASHINGTON, DC
TAKE THE NEXT STEP AND ORGANIZE A NATION WIDE STRIKE

WE THE PEOPLE,
AS IT WAS INTENDED,
AS IT WAS DESIGNED,
UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL



Well said. and I think this is a mindset that will, ....must... endure. Deviate from the message and Fall out of favor. By that I mean, if the Tea Party or Occupy members in political places go their political ways and deviate from the cause, the followers will abandon the Hijacked causes in NAME, both the TP & OWS. The CORE movement will remain and continue, for what was written by the above member. These are as core as the ten comandments are to Church-goers. Anyone who is disgusted with the EVIL can become active with whatever it's ultimatly called, move forward and demand accountability. And force it into the light of day. I hope the politico's who use this movement for self gain are thrown to the curb, there's no room for people manipulating this for their greed and benefit. BUT as long as it remains fairly pure in resolution, I'm for supporting this movement, and I really don't care what it's called. This change.... 2012... seems it's not quite what we expected, I think its more a throwing off of the shackles and chains of tyrants and evil overlords. And really nothing to do with Mayan calandars, comets or rouge planets, instead it's about the quality of life that has been stolen from us by the 1%. Their evil runs Deep.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
The OWS also seem to be targeting the US, as if there are no other financial arenas involved. I don't see anyone talking about London or Tokyo or the Chinese. How about what the Chinese have done. They devalued their own currency in order to out-compete us.
Why is it that the US is always the Big Bag Wolf? What about the other Bilderberg players? This is Intl intrigue.

Because the US corporations purchased our Government and then our government sold us out, along with corporations downsizing and moving their factories overseas to exploit the poor by paying them peanuts while leaving THOUSANDS of Americans out of work.

Get it now? Good.

but, the TP are protesting government, the college kids in OWS are protesting corporations and banks, yes central banks are bad, but the other banks are what gave the money to jobs, to give the college kids their laptops and iphones/ipods. without capitalism, the thing a lot of people seem to hate on ats, you wouldn't have the very computers your using to spread fascist hate

reply to post by ugie1028


Great post, but you're stating the obvious. The Left or I should say the Democrats have already taken over OWS. Happened last week and started just days after OWS started. The DNC, Soros and Soros funded organizations like MoveOn, Obama backed Unions like SEIU and Left Wing groups of every description have co-opted the OWS and now own it.

It was bound to happen because the original OWS had no central message, no organization and was a free for all with some protesting without any cause at all they could communicate.

You will also find the membership of the Tea Party do not consider themselves part of the Republican Party and are equally angry at both Parties. What I see with them are independently minded, self-motivated people demanding to be heard while under constant assault from the Left, while being claimed by the Right.

I find the contrasts to be very interesting in all this.

The Tea Partiers are generally small business owners, self-employed or gainfully employed people. Some of those who had the most to loose and were hurt the worst by the Recession and Bush/Obama politics. Their events are well organized, have clear messages, non-violent and they even leave the place clean after.

The OWS group are generally very young, unemployed, living off handouts while demanding even more handouts or part of some of the most radical groups and ideas from the fringe of the Left. Their events are utter chaos, involve violence, drugs, the destruction of property and are trashing the locations they are at.

I don't think I see any sign that the OWS movement will ever be anymore than utter chaos without a real message. It's a giant Party of sorts with all the bells and whistles. The protestors are urinating and defecating in public, having sex in public, drinking, openly using drugs, trashing the area's they are in and engaging in general mayhem.

What will happen is that the Unions, MoveOn, Soros, the Communists organizations and Socialist groups will take the whole thing over (they already have) and not much of the original will remain. Even Moore and Van Jones have taken over parts of it and no doubt Alex Jones will find his part in it. A disorganized group with no clear message will be easy pickings for that bunch. They have always targeted the young, the illiterate and the criminal fringe. It's their home turf.

The Tea Party will be with us for a long time while the OWS crowd will break up back into the dozens of disparate groups it was born from and still is.

Nothing ever changes really. This is the 1960's all over again.

reply to post by SeventhSeal


The two things they can't buy, steal or scam us out of is the thing they are most afraid of - OUR VOTE and OUR SPENDING POWER! They desparately need both.

UNITE with ONE VOICE, ONE WALLET - AND ACT!

Originally posted by seabag

Originally posted by SeventhSeal

Originally posted by ugie1028
reply to post by bigvanhorn

 

Yes I agree, the tea party was taken over by mr beck and Palin and any credibility they had went down with them!

its sad that these movements of thousands can be taken over by a hand full of people and then turned upside down.

I will see this happening to OWS unless they all change their game plans and dont let any kind of political pundit into their circle. its by the people for the people! Not by the people, for a few greedy politicians.

Don't forget it was taken over by homophobic, racist, bigoted, moronic, uncivil, illogical human beings known as Republican voters as well. They are extremely bitter individuals who can not get over the fact a black man is in office, oh and him being a Democrat is also a kick in the balls.

These people were Not around protesting Bush, so don't try to pretend they were. They were happily in front of their television sets with Fox News on telling them "Everything is Ok." Now Obama is in office, "Everything is ruined."

F these people.

Name calling is just a technique liberals use when they can’t defend their policies. Please try to defend the record spending of you messiah! Please defend socialized medicine that we can’t afford. Please defend wealth redistribution. Please defend the over regulation of corporations.

You liberals are all the same. You have unsustainable ideas and you belittle anyone who doesn’t agree. The reality is that you can’t show me on paper how this country can pay for all of the things you want. Liberal policies destroy the free market….then again….that is also your agenda, right? You have no knowledge what it takes to create jobs or you wouldn’t support all of the things that kill jobs. Read the constitution and you will understand how America is supposed to work. If you don’t like it …..PLEASE move to another country!

You're going to feel silly for typing all that after I tell you this:

I'm a free market pro capitalist (but I do believe in regulations, if you want to discuss that, let me know) Libertarian.

Did you just call Obama my Messiah too? Amazing. His supporters are just as moronic as those who are in the wacky Tea Party rallies calling him a Nazi/Fascist/Communist/Socialist/Marxist/KENYAN!!

reply to post by ugie1028



Well put, we all need to come together and know our true enemy. For our enemy is powerful and for our enemy has been playing us like a rusty trombone this whole time. The media will put a spin on OWS as expected just as they did with TP. They claimed that TP was republican based simply because it stood up to Obummer... we were led to believe they were a bunch of racist bigots. And now they show pics of a few people holding Obama signs at OWS hence they must be all Democrats in the mind of the gullible viewer. As well as "unamerican anarchists" for simply going against the grain.Obvious propaganda is Obvious. Awareness is the antidote, Awareness scares the handlers.. thinking people make them uneasy. The media plays on the stupidity of it's viewers... NO MORE! Left & Right. the left hand does not know what the right hand does. We have all been polarized, divided, conquered... NO MORE! People need to bear in mind this is no longer about politics greed is blind to partisan issues. It raped us all.

S&F

Originally posted by Screwed
Thank you very much for this thread.

However, the people who agree with you don't need this information
and
The people who need this information will never agree with you.

It is sad but there are so many people (especially on this web site) who are so deeply ingrained into the left/right paradigm that they have little hope of ever freeing themselves.
They are just dug in too deep.

I could be wrong but I have yet to ever see anyone do a total 180 and admit/realize they they have been wrong in
their polarizing views and change the way they approach polarizing topics.


Edit to add:
The last line of this post originally finished with,

"You either 'get it' or you don't".
Implying that people who are of a polarized mindset don't "get it"
and people who have outgrown the need for a polarized mindset do "Get it".

Then I realized after I posted it that this statement was in itself POLARIZING!!!!
You either get it or you don't???
Agghhh, this polarizing mindset ensnares even the most astute obsevers of this phenomenon sometimes.
So, in the interest of fair play I am outing myself and letting everyone know that I am human too.

edit on 10-10-2011 by Screwed because: (no reason given)

Thank you, Screwed, for such an awesome post! I present myself to you as someone who has, in fact, done a total 180 in my views of the two party system. Over the past year, I've undergone a dramatic "paradigm shift" in my beliefs. And the information I've found and the discussions I've read and/or participated in here on ATS are what sparked my dramatic change.

For nearly my entire life, I self-identified as a raving Democrat. I can't begin to count how many times in the past I have denigrated Republicans, the entire GOP, and everything they stand for. I can remember instances when I've gotten into crazy screaming matches with total strangers based solely on a comment one of us made about something political within earshot of each other. I've made the choice to refuse to do so any longer, because I've realized that the entire Dem/Repub thing has become the engine by which TPTB divide us to keep us in line, extricate our money from our pockets, and distract us from the true problems and issues of our time.

Granted, there are some things I believe in that most would call "liberal", but by setting myself free from the label of "Democrat," I've realized that there are in fact quite a few things I believe in that most would label "conservative." More importantly, I no longer take for granted anything I see, hear, read or experience of a political nature. I've created a sort of filter for myself that I use regarding political information and situations, kind of a personal bull***t meter, in order to remind myself to turn away from the old paradigm. Old habits die hard though, so I've had to be very mindful and conscious and have been very careful to constantly "check my head" to make sure I'm looking deeper than just the polarizing "Us and Them" model that we're fed all day and night long by the MSM and society.

Quite simply, the notion of "Us and Them" is a manipulative LIE. Because, in truth, I now understand that the only way we're going to come out of this mess we are are in is to realize that we are all US!

You can't possibly know how much I needed to read that post.
Thanks for sharing.
It is nice to know that it is possible for people to do a complete 180 and
embrace a totally new paradigm.

If I may ask, what was it that finally allowed you to even begin the process?
Did you get to a point where you could no longer deny what was going on?
Did you just wake up one day and realize it was all a sham?
I guess what I am getting at is at some point I would think there was a coming to terms with your ego
and it must have been really hard to set your ego aside and take your mind off of auto pilot and begin to navigate yourself.

Either way it was very inspiriing to read your post because what it means is that it is possible for some of these
hard core polarized people who can't see past their self inflicted labels to actually come to terms with a very unfamiliar reality.......

UNITY!!!!

reply to post by Stop-loss!

A recent political movement started by many small groups across the country using social media as a means to communicate with their peers. This group isn’t protesting the government, but the hub of the US financial system known as Wall Street.

I would suggest that Occupy Wall Street is not a political movement at all. It opposes and actively pushes back any attempt at political/religious hijacking. So far, so good. This group IS protesting the government, insofar as this government for at least 20 years has gone deaf when it comes to the will of the people.

Humanity has reached a most critical juncture in the vast history of planet earth. Collectively, we are fighting for our very existence as viable living entities on a planet that has been pillaged and plundered. The greatest sign that Occupy Wall Street is the movement to surpass movements in the past is precisely the fact that political pundits are struggling to contain it in some sort of category:

Okay, they must be bored hippies.
Oh, wait, no, they’re Socialists!
Wait one! A Ron Paul T-shirt? But, but, but…..
Oops, no, they’re anarchists!
Oh no…Oh, Man…military vets? WTF?
Oh ,I know. Obama arranged this, right?
OMG! Wait! They must be Communists!
Okay, who bribed the Granny Brigade…
No, strike that, they must just hate rich people?

They search pleadingly: “What is the message?” “Who is the leader?”

The One Voice of the Silent Majority is its only leader. It cannot be categorized, contained, or infiltrated to benefit the old left-right paradigm. It is an idea whose time has come—birthed from infinite ideas. The Butterfly is emerging from its cocoon at last.
The message to America and to the world is this: We have come to reclaim our collective power to be greater than the sum of our parts. This transformation will work its power long after the marches are over.

reply to post by earth2mayavision

Okay, they must be bored hippies. Oh, wait, no, they’re Socialists! Wait one! A Ron Paul T-shirt? But, but, but….. Oops, no, they’re anarchists! Oh no…Oh, Man…military vets? WTF? Oh ,I know. Obama arranged this, right? OMG! Wait! They must be Communists! Okay, who bribed the Granny Brigade… No, strike that, they must just hate rich people?

I could not have said it better myself, and these labels are the same crapola i see being regurgitated on ATS by these anti OWS folk. Why are they so angry at peaceful protesters? They really really really want to appease their handlers after years of conditioning... "make those damn protesters go away" like they are bothering them, unless they are the same people in those buildings being shouted at.

Now that The idea has been planted into your head, what do you do next? Support both sides? No not going to work? Join one side and not the other? Sure you can, but that won’t help. Realize that both movements are one in the same VIA changing who is in power in the financial sector and government? YES! I believe that’s where both sides can agree on.

Don't even try to compare the OWS with the TPM. Not even close.

Yesterday at the OWS site there was a person who took a dump on a Police Dept. cruiser. That's right, he defecated on a police car!




Today the Occupy people in Boston were chanting "We wont leave until you give us jobs!".
That's right, they want others to Give Them Jobs!

The OWS is a joke and an embarassment. Why would anyone want to be associated with them?

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
You vs Yourself?

Sorry, I'm not a Tea Partier, I believe in equality for all, I am for women's rights, I am anti war whether its a Republican OR Democrat in office, etc.

The Tea Party is still the biggest joke in this country right now.

Originally posted by mishigas

Now that The idea has been planted into your head, what do you do next? Support both sides? No not going to work? Join one side and not the other? Sure you can, but that won’t help. Realize that both movements are one in the same VIA changing who is in power in the financial sector and government? YES! I believe that’s where both sides can agree on.

Don't even try to compare the OWS with the TPM. Not even close.

Yesterday at the OWS site there was a person who took a dump on a Police Dept. cruiser. That's right, he defecated on a police car!




Today the Occupy people in Boston were chanting "We wont leave until you give us jobs!".
That's right, they want others to Give Them Jobs!

The OWS is a joke and an embarassment. Why would anyone want to be associated with them?

and there you have it, nothing is ever going to change......you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

(correction - it all will change once the system collapses, and everyone loses)

reply to post by Screwed

Originally posted by Screwed
Thank you very much for this thread.

However, the people who agree with you don't need this information
and
The people who need this information will never agree with you.

It is sad but there are so many people (especially on this web site) who are so deeply ingrained into the left/right paradigm that they have little hope of ever freeing themselves.
They are just dug in too deep.

I could be wrong but I have yet to ever see anyone do a total 180 and admit/realize they they have been wrong in
their polarizing views and change the way they approach polarizing topics.


Edit to add:
The last line of this post originally finished with,

"You either 'get it' or you don't".
Implying that people who are of a polarized mindset don't "get it"
and people who have outgrown the need for a polarized mindset do "Get it".

Then I realized after I posted it that this statement was in itself POLARIZING!!!!
You either get it or you don't???
Agghhh, this polarizing mindset ensnares even the most astute obsevers of this phenomenon sometimes.
So, in the interest of fair play I am outing myself and letting everyone know that I am human too.

edit on 10-10-2011 by Screwed because: (no reason given)

Thats a very sweet post but...Have you ever heard that song that says, "you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything"?  

Is taking no side the new Politically Correct thing to do? 

I realize this is a conspiracy site but do you really believe anyone who is right/left has been duped?  

Why do you think people who stand for the right or left are wrong for standing for what they believe?  

IMO, choosing no side does not make you a genius...it makes you indecisive because everyone has a belief system.

"Let's all get along" is not a belief system and you cannot stand for everything.

So you think everyone should put aside right and left for good and do what? Stand together for what?

reply to post by MidnightTide

and there you have it, nothing is ever going to change......you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Show me a picture of where a TPM defecated on a police car. Or, show me where TPM members wear ski masks to a meeting. Or show me where TPM members demanded that someone GIVE THEM a job. I'll wait.

< crickets >

Oh, you can't? There you have it. Bubblegum psychology never works, does it?

Forget the TP and just vote for Ron Paul. He is the only candidate who will get the OWS people what they are asking for. He's been saying what they are saying for over thirty years.

reply to post by Logarock

Originally posted by Open2Truth
"The control of a large force is the same principle as the control of a few men: it is merely a question of dividing up their numbers." Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

And divide us they have. Fighting - between political parties, ideologies, religions, classes, countries, sexes, ethnicities - has become such an accepted way of life that it is seen by many as an inevitable and necessary part of the process for change. It is far from it. It is the one sure way to ensure that nothing of great import changes at all. And that benefits none of us.

S&F for an insightful thread and glimpse at the bigger picture.

Originally posted by Logarock


In division one finds the balance of power, the natural course of a free society. The weakness of unification is that it is far to easy to be led by the few. Divison allows a clearer view of points and intentions, motives and platforms. Unification is to often the cry and hope of tyrants, the dream of demigods.

I said nothing about losing the diversity in opinions, ideologies, etc. I only stated that fighting amongst this diversity is not the answer. We have as a society accepted that if there is a diversity of views, fighting is an inevitable consequence. It is this premise that I reject.

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by MidnightTide

 

and there you have it, nothing is ever going to change......you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Show me a picture of where a TPM defecated on a police car. Or, show me where TPM members wear ski masks to a meeting. Or show me where TPM members demanded that someone GIVE THEM a job. I'll wait.

< crickets >

Oh, you can't? There you have it. Bubblegum psychology never works, does it?

edit on 11-10-2011 by mishigas because: (no reason given)

Obviously you do not understand, as to that person taking a crap on the police car, that could have just been a homeless person - or perhaps it was a person attending the OWS. You can't paint the entire movement on one person, I would also say you can't say the Tea Party is racist just because a few idiots in the movement are.

I don't play either side, and neither should anyone else....but time and time again here on ATS, I see the diehard leftist / right people go on and on about the other side. As the OP stated, both the Tea Party and the OWS have merit, if people could let go of the rhetoric and move forward.



I like the Tea Parties ideals of smaller government and fewer entitlements, but I also like the OWS concept of making Wall Street accountable for their actions. I know both sides hate each other, but take them together and I think you have something.