reply to post by seabag
First of all, I try not to use words like "right/wrong" or "good/bad"
So there is nothing "wrong" with your position.
The only thing I would ask you to do is to evaluate why you feel it is necessary to control others.
This is what it ALL comes down to.
The people who are subverting humanity and using polarizing tactics to divide us are using an age old tactic
of Divide and conquer. Everyone wants to control everyone else and no one wants to control themselves.
So I would ask you how does it hurt you that I may want to smoke crack in the comfort of my own livingroom?
The persecution and prosecution of victimless crimes is one of the BIGGEST control mechanisms we have in this world. Christians are being slaughtered
in Egypt because of the same mentality.
I call it the
" I don't do it and I don't want YOU to do it either" syndrome.
Ask yourself WHY????
Don't tell ME why
If you are honest with yourself I'll bet you'll find that it offends YOU.
If you are honest with yourself I'll bet you'll find that it is morally objectionable to....YOU.
If you are honest with yourself I'll bet you'll find that YOU don't like it.
If you are honest with yourself I'll bet you'll find that it doesn't REALLY hurt anyone but YOU and YOUR sensabilities.
One of the hardest things I have ever done is allow people to be themselves and do what THEY want to do regardless of what I think they should or
should not do.
What this means is that I have had to fight back the urge to call the police on the neighbor who has a meth lab in his garage. He is providing a
product that other people want and are willing to pay for. they are consenting adults and it is not up to me nor the government to decide what they
can or can not put into their bodies. Just because it isn't MY thing doesn't mean that I won't fight for YOUR ability to do it.
Whatever your beliefs are and however you live your life is ok with me as long as you are not mean or hateful and don't HURT others intentionally.
So let's take a couple of quotes from you and let me pick them apart using my logic.
It’s not ok in a civilized society to smoke crack on your couch as long as you don’t bother someone else.
Why? Who is it hurting??
Honestly answer that question.
Think about it for a while, don't just hit me back in two minuites with a response.
really be honest with yourself and ask yourself the question "Who is it hurting".
If you answer the way most people with your mentality would answer you will say something on the order of
" It hurts society as a whole" or some other such nonsense.
But, does it really?
Or does it just piss you off?
It’s not ok to marry 3 women as long as they all agree.
I would agree with you to a point on this one though.
My wife and I just had this discussion the other night.
I am all for a man having as many wives as he wants (why in the hell you'd want to put up with more than one woman is beyond me though
when you expose innocent children to this lifestyle choice is where I draw the line and it starts to piss ME off. But even then, I don't know that I
would be in favor of passing a law against it as long as the children are well cared for.
There are certain limitations that we, as a society, have imposed on ourselves to keep some level of civility and order.
"Civility" and "Order" are subjective words.
When I read sentences like this I read something totally different.
There are certain limitations that we, as a society, have imposed on ourselves to keep some level of
-As a conservative I believe nothing is free, everything must be earned, and there should be no handouts except in the most extreme cases
(mental retardation, complete physical debilitation, etc). I believe in limited government and self reliance
there are plenty of things that are free. I am sorry that you think that EVERYTHING MUST be earned.
If you ever want to come to St. Louis I'll put you and your family up in my house FOR FREE!
Hell, I'll even take an afternoon out of my not so busy day to show you guys the city.
It will be free lodging which is one of the most expensive parts of going on vacation.
You didn't earn it monitarily but you earned my respect as a fellow ATSer who is able to engauge in intelligent debate without being an asshole.
If you guys are running low on money while you are here because you bought too many souveniers for the kids
you're more than welcome to whatever I have in my fridge. I think I have a couple of ketchup packets and an empty gallon of milk. but we'll figure
Limited government is great but limited humanity is not.
Just because you don't have a job doesn't give me the right to turn my head and let you starve.
When we do that we have lost our humanity.
You may be "RIGHT" in that the person in question didn't "earn" that food but,
would you rather be "Right" or would you rather be "Human"?
edit on 12-10-2011 by Screwed because: (no reason given)
12-10-2011 by Screwed because: (no reason given)