Why men are in trouble

This is probably only one of many factors, but I think at least part of it is the reversal of traditional roles. In the past, women were stuck in the cliche of staying at home and performing domestic duties and the husband would go out and work. Today that not only isn't necessary anymore, but it's often not even desirable (by either party!)

I'm male. I was in a relationship with a woman for many years, and during that time I had a lot of chronic health issues. I couldn't work, and she could. She worked, and I stayed home and cleaned, cooked, did laundry, handled paperwork, etc. so she could just relax when she got home. And yes, that left a crap ton of time for me to partake of one of my passions, which just so happens to be.. you guessed it.. playing videogames. What else was I going to do? And I never felt insecure about this role or had a problem with it. She didn't either, because we respected and accepted one another as we were.

Equality - true equality, not just getting back at men - means treating one another with mutual respect, compassion, and tolerance, and affording one another personal liberty to do whatever we want with our own lives. The notion of traditional gender roles is old hat in my opinion. In my view it should no longer matter who's more educated, who works more hours, who gets paid more, or how much time an adult of either gender chooses to dedicate to pursuits that bring them joy (including the frequently vilified in this thread videogames.)

We're all adults. We're supposed to be equals now. We're supposed to be liberated. So lets be liberated and stop judging one another, and simply live our lives with respect and compassion for one another. I know I certainly don't feel the least bit insecure or inferior working fewer hours and playing videogames as long as I pull my weight in some way, shape, or form in a relationship. And neither should any woman for that matter! Equality isn't about replacing one set of societal standards with another. It's about having the freedom to make your own, regardless of gender.

My two cents. Peace.

The government want women in the workforce so they can bring up YOUR kids.
Thats why they increase the cost of housing, cost of living and rates, so you have to work and make the government your childs primary carer.
Women have lost all perspective, they see there identity in work. Achievement and love come from their workplace, not the family. That why the kids of today are the kids of today.
Yes men have lost the family perspective as well.

I haven't had time to read the whole thread. So, forgive me if I repeat somethings.

We have to get past looking at the mother leaving the house or fewer father's around. Both are horrible conditions of our new society. However, there are external issues that effect this more than people realize.

The first is the chemical castration of males. I know a lot of people are scratching their heads. Let m give you the base to start from. Look up the effects of pesticides on sexual dysfunction. Then, follow it from there. There are pesticides that are proven to reduce testosterone levels. There are others that actually cause the body to have problems indentifying it's gender and regulating the body to deliver the proper hormones. Thes has caused a serious change in the behavior of males.

Another issue along the same lines is the increasing amount of heavy metals and pharmacutecals in the water supply. Heavy metals can build up in the brain and cause people to become more sluggish, passive, and change other mental and physical actions. In other words they can deprive a person of the ability to act in ways commonly considerred manly. Pharmacutecals cause a problem because they actually can cause an increase in estrogen levels in men. With more men having a higher estrogen level they begin to act less like the classic male.

Add that in with the problems on the home front and from the media and things turn bad quickly. It gets even worse when you get bombarded by images of Alpha Male extremes on tv. Suddenly the choices are androgynus Emo guy, gangsta guy, Jersey Shore Douche, Sports Obsessed Douche, Alpha Jerk, and Fat Idiot, Where are the Ward Cleavers on tv or in the movies? Where are the fathers that read the paper, love their kids, and are firm with moral choices? It has all disappeared so that boys are fed extreme stereo types. They either have to be the fat idiot, the overly sensitive basket case, or an "Alpha Idiot." The well rounded man has disappeared as a public image.

There is so much more I want to type to tie all of this together. I just don't have all of the time and resources to compile my thoughts. I will say that men are in danger of being marginalized. A lot of things are working to change the male role in modern society. It is happening fast compared to the millenia of evolution in the opposite direction. It leads to a sense of confusion, vulnerability, and a sense of being adrift alone for some young males. Without an idea of what they should really be, or expectation of their place in the world, many are trying to find solice in distractions or material possesions that they believe will make others percvieve them as a "man."

Like I said there is so much more to write and I just can't lay it all out coherently right now.

reply to post by doctornamtab


Well technically women aren't as smart as men....so i would like to put you right on that one but don't worry,women aren't too far behind men when it comes to intelligence.

Women catching up is not a good thing and women working is not a good thing! look behind the agenda as to why womne are being PUSHED to where they are now.

Men and women are capable of doing differet things and men do somethings better then women and women do somethings better then men so no,men and women should not be equal in every asepct of society.

The few things left which are challenging to males is either (extreme) survivalism or religion, both can lead to close encounters with death. This enables men to get in contact with their male power, without having to receive recognition from other males or females. Survive the insanity religious experiences can induce and there's true power over one's mind, make it in the wild without anyone or anything to assist and city life becomes peanuts.

When more and more men choose not to go out and chase women, it's not the men who are in trouble, it's the women. A woman in denial could argue men are simply not up to her standards, males would just rather play videogames than try to please her and meet her standards.

reply to post by Revolution9


I think you need to get in touch with reality! men are supposed to be men and back in the Victorian dys,things weren't as you have described.You are just going along with the anti masculine ways of today when in fact we should not be changing who men are by drugging them to be couch slobs because masculinity is what has brought about this great world despite a few hiccups in between the building process.

reply to post by Partygirl


This would be because liberals and feminists went out of their way to destroy men and the way they think. To blame this on men suddenly would be a mistake.

EVEN SO the premise of the thread is something that I do believe is happening, and probably one of the most important issues of today's world.

I think..men have withdrawn from our role in society. we are routinely villified for the ills of society, when women do just as much dirt. when it comes to marriage, well, ask any guy with kids about the divorce. it's routine for the wife's attorney to claim physical and sexual abuse in order to get a bigger payday, ruining the man's life. child support: even when it's discovered the kid ISN'T HIS, cause wifey #ed the gardener, husbands have to pay. look at the media: how many commercials have you seen where the wife is this saintly figure, and the husband a bumbling idiot? it's a staple for sitcoms too. AND, boys, for decades now, have been raised to NOT BE BOYS AT ALL. drugged, feminized, every natural male impulse BLOCKED. and women sit around on their "waiting to exhale' vacations with their girlfriends whining about how there's no good men. lol

I'll tell ya: I'm 42, not married. somewhat successful in a field where NO success is the norm. I'm a gamer. I think guys have been beat on so much we use games to just relax and find some enjoyment. violent games especially, since our masculinity has been so targeted for destruction by women who fear it, with the full support of society at large, including the courts and law enforcement. ask yourself why casey anthony is free today. her being female(and white and attractive) has a lot to do with it. women, you've endured a lot of discrimination over the centuries. we want you as equals. problem is, instead of co-existence, you've decided to eliminate the competition. self-defeating, I think.

reply to post by intrepid


''What you are saying isn't a viable business model.''
That could be why theres a business going bust all the flaming time nowadays.

Originally posted by Revolution9


What on earth do you mean, "man up"? You mean like stay in that prison of perception and worn out concept of what the Victorians thought men were. Is the only way to "man up" to be a wife beater, heavy drinking, no eloquence, not in touch with one's soul kinda guy?

I dunno what he means, but I can give my own perspective.

I don't wanna cry.

I don't wanna be "sensitive".

I don't wanna "get in touch with my feminine side" - why, I'd have to slap myself! Hard!

I don't want to be married to a woman that thinks she's a man. If I wanted that, I'd just marry another guy and be done with the BS.

To be honest, it seems that's what a lot of women are looking for these day, so they need to just bypass me and keep looking.

That's prolly why I'm not married any more. Got no interest in manly women. If I wanted to be a girl, I'd have the operation.

If "sensitive guys" are what they're looking for, just move along - I ain't interested in those kinds of women, either., so the feeling is mutual. I got stuff to do, like grunting, scratching, hunting, and fishing. Ain't got time to be a girlie and help you pick out the proper shade of chartreuse for the curtains.

Who says a man is a "wife beater"? Where I come from, the girls beat guys like that up - often. Ain't no "man" about a guy that hits women. Takes a wussie to beat up on women, and luckily in my neck of the woods the girls ain't scared to beat right back, and put those wussies in their proper place. If you want to fight, go find another man to pick on, just like the big boys do.

reply to post by DrunkNinja


Its a fact that businesses do it but do you honestly believe they are going to admit it?

reply to post by GringoViejo


You are a bit of a weak man aren't you.

As a woman, I have an education and lots of skills, but I only want to work for my family. That IS success for me.

My husband is very much a manly man and wants to work- has always worked until his company stumbled and had to lay off 7/8 of the workforce.

Now because I have more education, I am pretty much going to be forced to go to work to support the family.

My husband doesn't want to do 'woman things.' And he won't. I am good at those things. This is what women's liberation has brought us? Our families and freedom suffer?

For women's lib to really work, we need an economy that can support everyone getting an education that wants one, and plenty of jobs for every educational level.

More than anything else, IMO, we need BUILDERS. Men build. Our economy is not building jack. Men are like birds with their wings clipped these days.

The bottomline is that if you want to destroy a civilization from within then you must condition the men and twist everything around.Feminism was a social contruct to destroy the fabric of our once great civilization and as they say ''why change a winning team''? so people who tolerate this evil are going along with a social construct and are a political tool.

Don't believe me? just look at the agenda behind this mess and you will see.I'm not saying women should be stuck in the house all day or should never work(because women are better then men in certain aspects)but we need to bring about balance between us again so we can have the greatness we once had.
Who sad women doing their natural role(look towards the animal kingdom to see the same roles)was oppression anyway? its men who are supposed to provide and fight for their women and kin........i'll call that a form of oppression but hey,its a mans natural role.

I have never understood the notion that a woman fully embracing equal rights etc means that they must be successful in the work place or do everything a man used to do. Woman who prefer the traditional role of taking care of her man, the house and the children is looked down upon by many for somehow not embracing her rights and being subservient to men. The women's rights movement was about giving women choices, not making it wrong for them to prefer the traditional role and somehow being a failure if they make the choice to do so instead of being successful in the field of business etc

reply to post by Partygirl


Sooo to be a man you must be have religion? to be a man you must be married? to be a man you must not play video games? To be a man you must be better educated and make more money then a woman?

I will tell what the real problem is.

Its labels.

I don't really see this as a statement on the capabilities of either gender, but on the result of a conscious agenda in the U.S. towards equality. There's alot of us men who wanted this swing as much as women. Now that things are equalling out, let's take the crutches away and see what happens. Can this equality stand on it's own without the special grants and legal pressures on corporate policies that affirmative action has created? That's the real question.

lol CNN.

Seriously it breaks down like this:

1. Religion is pointless, you don't see Jesus/Buddha/Satan/Allah/Pan etc giving you money and food do you? If you want to believe in something believe in mankind and where we are heading. We are God.

2. You don't need a University(College) degree to be happy or successful it's another ploy by TPTB to fully brainwash you. My best friend is only 24 and is earning £112,000 a year after tax running a business with only 3 GCSE's. My cousins work for a PMC and earn £600k for 5 months work in the mid east.

3. Marriage is pointless it's done out of tradition these days rather than needing to. Fact is most relationships fizzle out after marriage. It's just a money grabbing scam these days. Real marriage was back in the early 20th century not anymore. My dad's mum and dad have been married for 47 years, him and his youngest brother came down from Scotland and they never went home they married two sisters. They are 66 and 67 respectively.

4. Women say "where are the decent men?" because they are drawn to unemployed troublemakers who have no ambition. Then when they try something new they are treated far worse then go into a men hating phase. Don't forget most women are to fussy about body weight,faces,penis size etc in a partner. Listening to MSM,TPTB and Zionist controlled media/porn does that to you.

5. This part makes me chuckle so much.
"Today, 18-to- 34-year-old men spend more time playing video games a day than 12-to- 17-year-old boys. While women are graduating college and finding good jobs, too many men are not going to work, not getting married and not raising families. Women are beginning to take the place of men in many ways."

Maybe us men thought "I know, seeing as our forefathers and even today invented EVERYTHING in the world maybe women should get some metaphorical balls and do something for once other than cooking,cleaning,crying and breeding." Most likely because video games are more fun and interactive than the age old movies and books. I've seen the articles that say "Video games are the property of the devil" "Sarah Palin says: I can see Russia from my house" and i burst out laughing. Do you wonder why the only real friend the US has left is Britain?

Thanks for making my day OP.

Originally posted by ImplodeThisExistence
"Everywhere I've gone, the men are men... and so are women." - Shantam Nityama

Destroy this topic unless you can embrace it from a more awakened perspective. I never had the interest to go to college, that # is indoctrination central... Yet women are being guided to dive right in, eh? They sure love it, even though the founders of the movement seriously repented... Just look into who funded the entire feminist movement!

Personally, I can't stand an ounce of feminism and it sickens me to even be around it... Pure poison alright, greatly effecting the human mass consciousness. The feminine itself represents the subconscious, the parasympathetic nervous system, and the right brain... Not to mention the occult. The repercussions of it's state of being are vast.

I wish people would step back and question the true nature/power of the feminine. In it's divine potential, it cannot be boxed in, it cannot be controlled. It has the power to build nations and sustain worlds... Anything can be manifested through a pure womb. Yet, how many truly (sexually) liberated women do you see walking around? Aahhh, if anyone would just open their eyes to how the feminine has been suppressed and contorted throughout history. It's certainly the best way to control and manipulate an entire planetary race, no doubt.

Man have a role to fill as well, that of the initiators of truth. Reawakening the inner warrior. I don't mean being an #ing idiot jarhead and signing up to serve in a corporate war. Stand sovereign and take your share back. Go do you own spiritual sonata and get in touch with the Logos of this Universe.

So, have fun debating these silly topics and one upping one another or conferring differing opinions when you are all largely caught under the same mind control programs. That's the story of ATS, alright.

edit on 7-10-2011 by ImplodeThisExistence because: Grammar, Grammar... Grammar.

Ummm.....Unfortunatly your post just flew over the heads of "the great unwashed".....I mean the ATS unwashed, a very few will comprehend it, those who have bathed in those "waters", yet.........you failed to mention that, the "soul" of the male is "female"...."it even has a womb" (Exegesis on the soul, "the Nag Hammadi Library").....conversely, the soul of the female is male.......NOTE, that i did not say feminine or masculine. Consider also the "why" and you will know what the heart of attraction is, not what it uses, that's obvious, rather what it...is.

YouSir

p.s.............Purely "on topic" mods

Originally posted by shushu
If I'm lost I know how to ask for directions. Do you???

I dunno. I don't get lost to begin with, so I've never had to find out.

Is "maybe" the right answer?