Cyprus starts drilling in contested area in defiance of Turkey

reply to post by stumason


just checked K-295 is from pacific fleet not northern fleet.

but it seems with all military exercises happening I dont know what to say.

Latest :
Turkish ship begins oil exploration off Cyprus

Turkish frigates and warplanes on Tuesday escorted a research ship to begin oil and gas exploration off the divided island of Cyprus, retaliation for a similar move by the Greek Cypriot government, the research ship's captain said.

The research ship, Koca Piri Reis, began its research Monday but Turkish and Turkish Cypriots officials refused to reveal the ship's exact location on Tuesday amid unconfirmed reports that it was close to an area where U.S.-based Noble Energy Inc. started exploring oil and gas deposits under license from Greek Cypriot government.

The captain of the ship, Umut Yenice, told the state-run Anatolia news agency that the ship reached its destination about 50 miles (80 kilometers) off Cyprus on Monday without the giving the ship's coordinates.

80 km off Cyprus is basically less than 20km from Turkey. So Turkey is in the right... For now.

The Turkish ship is more ``off Turkey`` than ``off Cyprus``...

Originally posted by Vitchilo
80 km off Cyprus is basically less than 20km from Turkey.

So Turkey is in the right... For now.

The Turkish ship is more ``off Turkey`` than ``off Cyprus``...

edit on 27-9-2011 by Vitchilo because: (no reason given)

That's if the ship's location is north of Cyprus, if it is, let's hope this false "Victory" for the Turks will lead to the end of this useless agression from their navy.

reply to post by Konstantinos


Yep. I hope both side quit their crap. Turkey should recognize Cyprus.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
reply to post by Konstantinos

 

Yep. I hope both side quit their crap. Turkey should recognize Cyprus.

LOL They should, but we both know they won't. Especially now that they have no more interest in joining the EU.

reply to post by Drunkenparrot


i would like to add something and sorry in advance for my bad english
i'm from greece and i can tell you that provocation like the one going on right now in cyprus have happened before vut haven't made the news...
the last decade turkey is constantly provoking greece by invading on daily bases greek air space
they even started claiming greek islands as their own and have issued warnings to the inhabitands, the actually took one small island by force back in 1996 called imia, so i would say that yes war this time is a stong possibility,


Like most of greece people, i don't hate Turkish people.i hate their war-loving goverment and our corrupt goverment
we will be dragged into a war that nobody wants....

reply to post by 23432


your comment is really sad... i met people i cyprus that had that have lost everything in the hands of turkey's arrogance,
you talked about Turkish Cypriots right... if some guy took over your house with force for no reason, you would give him later on the right to do whatever he want's with t?

reply to post by simone24gr


and don't expect your big slavic brother Russia to come and save you when Turkey conquers you again.you have spat in Russia's face by being part of NATO alliance against Russia.

Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
reply to post by simone24gr

 

and don't expect your big slavic brother Russia to come and save you when Turkey conquers you again.you have spat in Russia's face by being part of NATO alliance against Russia.

Wow, where do I begin in correcting this post?

#1 "Slavic Brother"? What are you talking about? Greeks are not Slavs, we are only spritual brothers with Russians as we are both Orthodox.

#2 I don't ever recall Russia helping Greece out, so why would Greece expect or ask for their help?

#3 NATO was formed to oppose the Warsaw Pact, and the Soviet Union. Since the fall of communism and formation of the EU it is generally agreed that NATO's existence is questionable.

#4 Russia's relations with Greece are probably the warmest in comparison with any other NATO member, keep in mind there's a pipeline going through Greece that feeds Europe Russian natural gas.

#5 Greece would not be the one asking for any Russian help, Cyprus would be. Since Cyprus is not a NATO member, your comment about the begrudged Russian attitude is invalid

Back on topic, I believe that if the natural gas deposits are confirmed, and Russia is asked by Cyprus to intervene against Turkey in exchange for drilling rights, they'll come thundering in as fast as possible.

Israel asks airbase in exchange for air defense

According to the news website OnlyCy, the Israeli government reportedly asked the Cypriot permission to use the “Andreas Papandreou” airbase in Paphos in exchange for ensuring the air defense of the Republic and changing the military balance in the region.

The Israeli proposal is a significant upgrade of military relations between Israel and Cyprus, and certainly any decision taken by the Cypriot government will change the military balance in Cyprus.

Very dangerous move, if approved.

Turkish ships are coming and going from “block 12”

From the early morning hours of Tuesday, the Turkish research vessel “Piri Reis” along with two Turkish warships, come and go from block No12, located at the sea area where on behalf of the Cypriot government the U.S. company “Noble Energy International” is carrying out research to locate gas.

“Piri Reis” is closely followed by the Turkish frigate “Giresun” and corvette “Bartin”.

At this time the boats are moving in the boundaries of block No12 engaging in a war of nerves.

Warships of the United States, Russia and Great Britain are also present in the eastern Mediterranean Sea. According to information at protothema.gr, the “Monterey” American frigate is sailing about 100 miles from the drilling platform, while a British and a Russian warship are also in the area.

Can you say powder keg? And what the hell is Turkey doing near Block 12? Block 12 is SOUTH of Cyprus!

The drilling to continue despite pressure

UNDERSEA research for natural gas will continue regardless of Turkish diplomatic pressure or actions in the eastern Mediterranean, the government asserted yesterday.

“The Republic has weighed all the facts and decided to proceed with exploratory drilling. We are currently in the process of exploratory drilling. Period,” government spokesman Stefanos Stefanou told reporters.

He added that the government has taken a political decision to initiate a second round of licensing in blocks lying within Cyprus’ Exclusive Economic Zone.

Originally posted by simone24gr
reply to post by 23432

 

your comment is really sad... i met people i cyprus that had that have lost everything in the hands of turkey's arrogance,
you talked about Turkish Cypriots right... if some guy took over your house with force for no reason, you would give him later on the right to do whatever he want's with t?

I don't know which comment you are referring to .

I know that the Greek Cypriots wanted to cleanse the Turkish Cypriots and back in 1974 , my cousin was a doctor on the island .
I can assure you that you would not want me to post the pictures of massacred Turkish Cypriots at the hand of Greek Cypriots .

Not a pretty picture at all .

I don't know whether you know it or not but it was the Greek Cypriots who tought that they can kill and/or drive all the Cypriot Turks from the Island of Cyprus .

Have you ever heard about what happened to Turks of Crete ?

My thought is that the emotional responses are fine but the realistic and pragmatic reasoning dictates that the Turks have a right to life & security as much as any other group of human beings .

As long as you keep thinking that the Turks were always the aggressors , then I am afraid you are not really denying ignorance .

Turks didn't take over anyone's house . In fact they have secured the existence of Turks on the island .

Besides everyone knows that lots of Greeks still think western Turkey is theirs .


For god's sake they still refer to Istanbul as Constantinapolis .

And you have the audacity to accuse the Turks " arrogance " .

Nothing could be further from the truth . In fact when friendly , the Turks are legendary with their welcoming .

But if one is not friendly to Turks ; why would one expect anything different from Turks .


According to Greeks way of thinking , the Turks need permission from Greeks to sail into Aegean & Mediterrenean seas .

Arrogance ?

Have you heard about how Byzantines thought of themselves as dog's bollocks and ended up as dog's dinner ?

Originally posted by 23432

I know that the Greek Cypriots wanted to cleanse the Turkish Cypriots and back in 1974 , my cousin was a doctor on the island .
I can assure you that you would not want me to post the pictures of massacred Turkish Cypriots at the hand of Greek Cypriots .

There are Greek Cypriots and Turks.

Originally posted by Hellas

Originally posted by 23432

I know that the Greek Cypriots wanted to cleanse the Turkish Cypriots and back in 1974 , my cousin was a doctor on the island .
I can assure you that you would not want me to post the pictures of massacred Turkish Cypriots at the hand of Greek Cypriots .

There are Greek Cypriots and Turks.

edit on 29-9-2011 by Hellas because: (no reason given)

Thank you for making my point one more time .

Discrimination & Racism is ripe amongs Greek Cypriots and it is all too clear to see .

Perhaps you don't realise it but what you have wrote is actually "Wrong " .

There is no race to discriminate. There are no Turkish Cypriots since there is no country like that. Turkey is and will be the only country recognizing a made up country

Originally posted by Hellas
There is no race to discriminate. There are no Turkish Cypriots since there is no country like that. Turkey is and will be the only country recognizing a made up country

edit on 29-9-2011 by Hellas because: damn quotes

Baloney !!!




Next year approx. 65 countries will recognise the little Turkish Republic unless by some miracle there is a unification on the island .

Till then , you may carry on indulging this silly idea about the non existence of Turkish Cypriots.

I am curious , how do you keep a straight face while preaching that there is no discrimination towards Turkish Cypriots .

Of course if there are no Turkish Cypriots then there are no Greek Cypriots either .

The international recognition mean diddly squat at the moment .

Greek Cypriots will not be allowed to hog all the resources just by themselves .

Anyone can take that promise to the bank and cash it anytime .

Originally posted by 23432

As long as you keep thinking that the Turks were always the aggressors , then I am afraid you are not really denying ignorance .

Turkey invaded Cyprus, you can't argue the agression inherent in that act. Not only did they invade, but the plans for invasion were drawn up well before the attempted coup in 1974 based on the lack of mobilization time of the Turkish army.

Originally posted by 23432
Turks didn't take over anyone's house . In fact they have secured the existence of Turks on the island .

They secured the existence of 15-20% of the population by invading and occupying 37% of the island, how is this plausible?

Originally posted by 23432
Besides everyone knows that lots of Greeks still think western Turkey is theirs .

For god's sake they still refer to Istanbul as Constantinapolis .

Now you're talking rubbish and Turkish propaganda again, Greek expansionist ideals were abandoned after the 1930's, that was over 80 years ago, nobody today considers western Turkey Greek.
Greeks reffer to Instanbul as Constantinople simply because of religious reasons. The Ecumenical Orthodox Patriarch has his tradional title of "Archbishop of Constantinople". A title that has not changed since 400AD, over a thousand years before the fall of the city.

BTW, do you know the root of the name "Istanbul"? Look it up, and once you do, you'll see that Greeks also called it that as an alternate name before the Turks showed up.

Originally posted by 23432
But if one is not friendly to Turks ; why would one expect anything different from Turks .

Nobody on earth is friendly to those who are unfriendly to them, irrelevant point.

Originally posted by 23432
According to Greeks way of thinking , the Turks need permission from Greeks to sail into Aegean & Mediterrenean seas .

Correction, according to the Greeks (and UN international law) Turks need permission to sail into waters off Greek islands in the Aegean , there's a difference.

Originally posted by 23432
Have you heard about how Byzantines thought of themselves as dog's bollocks and ended up as dog's dinner ?

Irrelevant comment yet again, what the hell do the Byzantines impression of themselves (of which I'm sure you do not have first-hand knowledge of) have to do with this topic?

Speaking of the topic (Turkish aggression towards Cyprus) explain to me how the world can trust Turkish intentions when AFTER democratic rule was restored in Cyprus in 1974 and AFTER a promised cease-fire by the Turks, 3 days later there was a second invasion (violating the agreement) where Turkish forces captured Morphou, Karpass, Famagusta and the Mesaoria expelling all Greek Cypriots living there?

reply to post by Konstantinos


Russia defended your kind in the name of orthodoxy.This time you will be Kentucky fried chicken for the Turks.

Enjoy your march to the third world Greece.

Originally posted by Konstantinos

Originally posted by 23432

As long as you keep thinking that the Turks were always the aggressors , then I am afraid you are not really denying ignorance .

Turkey invaded Cyprus, you can't argue the agression inherent in that act. Not only did they invade, but the plans for invasion were drawn up well before the attempted coup in 1974 based on the lack of mobilization time of the Turkish army.



If you are arguing that the Greek Cypriots weren't aggresive towards their own minority to begin with ..... well , Let get real here , shall we ?
If GC's didn't attempt to ethnically cleanse the island from CT's , then you wouldn't have the Turkish Army proper landing on the island . Would you ?
But I will give you a point that the plans were drawn in advance , as far back as 1964 . It's not like Turks didn't know what GC's were planning to do to Turks .
Invasion , it was not . Occupation , it was not .
Liberation , it was just that and since 1974 , No Turks were killed on the Island of Cyprus .

Originally posted by 23432
Turks didn't take over anyone's house . In fact they have secured the existence of Turks on the island .

They secured the existence of 15-20% of the population by invading and occupying 37% of the island, how is this plausible?

Baah , false logic . As every military tactician knows that you would take a little bit more then what you need so when the negotiations begin , you can give it back . Obviously in this case the GC's thought that they can actually make the Turks leave due to international politics .
It didn't work and it won't work in the future either .
Make the peace with thy adversary , that is the only way .

Originally posted by 23432
Besides everyone knows that lots of Greeks still think western Turkey is theirs .

For god's sake they still refer to Istanbul as Constantinapolis .

Now you're talking rubbish and Turkish propaganda again, Greek expansionist ideals were abandoned after the 1930's, that was over 80 years ago, nobody today considers western Turkey Greek.
Greeks reffer to Instanbul as Constantinople simply because of religious reasons. The Ecumenical Orthodox Patriarch has his tradional title of "Archbishop of Constantinople". A title that has not changed since 400AD, over a thousand years before the fall of the city.

BTW, do you know the root of the name "Istanbul"? Look it up, and once you do, you'll see that Greeks also called it that as an alternate name before the Turks showed up.

I really started to think that you are actually unaware about the realities on the ground in Balkans Greeks may refer to it as whatever they may want but they will not get the trust of Turks by calling Istanbul by any other name .
I sure know about Istanbul or Constantinapolis .
I also know about Enosis too .

Originally posted by 23432
According to Greeks way of thinking , the Turks need permission from Greeks to sail into Aegean & Mediterrenean seas .

Correction, according to the Greeks (and UN international law) Turks need permission to sail into waters off Greek islands in the Aegean , there's a difference.



Finest sophistry but I am immune to it .

Take a one look at the map of Aegean & Med , you can see the " Containment " policy is going to end up costing far more then it is worth . Besides , Turks don't consent to this obligation as it is their right not to do so .
Pragmatic & realistic solutions are needed from the point of the Greeks . Not conjecture .

Originally posted by 23432
Have you heard about how Byzantines thought of themselves as dog's bollocks and ended up as dog's dinner ?

Irrelevant comment yet again, what the hell do the Byzantines impression of themselves (of which I'm sure you do not have first-hand knowledge of) have to do with this topic?

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