Man Arrested At Ground Zero While Demanding Truth

the guy was just plain rude and disrespectful....

surley he could find a better place/way to be heard ... if he still really feels that way ....

obviously, and for good reason, he's in the minority.....

reply to post by v1rtu0s0


I don't really think his approach was very well thought out, but he has every right to make his opinion known in the way he did. They probably charged him with "disrupting the peace" or "disorderly conduct" or some other ridiculous crap.

Here's what I would have done if I was there to see him being arrested like that. I would have stepped up and started ranting too. "For each one you gag another will step up to take his place. You cannot arrest us all!" I would have started a real commotion.

Originally posted by samkent
That was not “peaceably assemble”.
That was inciting a riot.

Arrest was too good for him.

What he was saying was what he believed in, sure it wasn't the best time and place to voice his opinions, but what would you prefer they do to him?
Take him aside and waterboard him?
Oh wait.. they don't do terrible things like that do they.

the dumbass got what he deserved, he was harrassing families of 9-11 victims. theres a time and place for protest and that wasnt it

Originally posted by StarPeace
you mean guy that was going around harassing people and trying to start fights..

That Dumbass?
It's a reason why it's on 316 views

edit on 12-9-2011 by StarPeace because: (no reason given)

Obviously you haven't a modicum of a clue what constitutes "challenging to fight" in public, or that disturbing ones peace must be willful, requires intent and a victim. No, the cops can't be victims... on duty police can not have their peace disturbed, or take offense / be offended.

No victims presented themselves in that video, even if there were.. dude would 1st be warned his behavior was disturbing someones peace.. if he continued, it would be willful.

To all you patriotic dumb-asses who go on with message board goodness like below, I laugh in your face with maniacal glee:

"Hey hippy!!..love her or leave her (snort)!!, go off to eye-ran or North Korea and just try exercising free speech!!..."

I understand people are observing,,, but he is speaking the truth get over it. And the women putting her finger on her mouth saying shush... give me a break.... Why is it ok for the Westbury Baptist church to protests at funerals??? why arent they escorted off?? this country is going down the drain and us Americans have to much pride we never listen we always think we are right people are just to ignorant. Any one with common sense should know why these things are happening and who is doing it. Osama Obama give me a break!! i wonder if Osama used just for men for his beard???

Originally posted by Handbanana81
the dumbass got what he deserved, he was harrassing families of 9-11 victims. theres a time and place for protest and that wasnt it

Having no problem living the the United States of North Korea where free speech is met with government force.. is dumbass. In you opinion: wrong time & place, in my opinion: perfect time & place. Your solution: opinion police goons, mine.. let the man speak.

Does patriotic gravy make fascism taste yummy.. or what!!.. lol.. slather on some old glory sauce and 1930s German gestapo scenes taste like Apple Pie & freedom.. lmao..

Besides..it was on US soil, that (somehow) makes it less Nazi.. yawn

The fact that this is even a topic for discussion tells me all I need to know about the
retards that make up this countrys majority.
I've said it before and I'll say it again,

We do not deserve our freedoms in this country anymore!
That is why we have lost them.
We can have them back when we get so tired of NOT having them
that we are willing to fight for them again.

Most people SAY they want freedom but,
what they REALLY mean is, they want THEIR freedom but, they don't want the other guy to have it too,
that would just be silly. "I want the freedom to say what the hell I want but, that guy doesn't deserve to say that, he is being RUDE and hurting my feelings, plus, I disagree with him.".

If you live in this country and you agree with this man being arrested then you are a pathetic waste of an American. Please exuse yourself from my country immediately.

To all the “Free Speachers”:
Freedom of speech does not mean anytime anywhere.
Freedom of speech has its limits.
You can’t interrupt a teacher is class with your opposite opinions.
You can’t interrupt a political swearing in ceremonies.
I’m sure you can think of a few more.

If your mother dies from breast cancer how would you feel about people with handouts, shouting for more research in the middle of your gravesite ceremonies?

There is a time and a place and a method.

Ever since the event happened people have been making excuses that respecting people's "feelings" is more important than truth or liberty. There is always some reason why it is never the right time or place for the questions that need to be asked to be asked, or things that need to be heard to be heard. Here is that sentiment right in this thread. One person said that arrest is too good for him! For speaking!!

While I don't agree with his methodology and timing, the 1st amendment more times than not, protects unpopular speech not popular speech. Maybe if he had a carefully worded sign and was more calm in his approach he would not have attracted so much negative attention and could have made headway with open minds who were present.

You can speak your mind. But you can't force it down others throats. That's where you cross the line.

Could this indivual park outside your home at 2:00 AM and shout on a bullhorn? No!
There have always been limits on free speach. Some just don't want to admit it.

A case could be made that this guy is infringing on other peoples constitutional rights to “peaceable assembly”.

How would you feel if the police sent officers around handing out papers and shouting “Just say no to drugs”? Or the local school board sent out people with “support our schools” message?

Is it ok for the KKK to have a fund raising promotion at ground zero?

Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
I don't doubt it, but I have only noticed it with certain videos. Why don't other viral videos have this issue? Ones that reach millions of hits in a span of hours?

This happens to all videos after they get uploaded for 24h. I have subscriped to tons of very popular channels such as "kids react to..." etc. Every video gets locked to 301-320 views for the first 24h. If you have doubts subscripe to popular channels and then view the videos in the first 24h.

These people have had 10 years to grieve - If they are still grieving then maybe they should seek counseling... Sorry to seem insensitive, but I've lost loved ones recently and 2 years later I've accepted the situation learned to deal with it and move on.

With respect to freedom of speech, it should always be respected, not just when you agree with the message. I experienced this first hand while in the military and living in base housing there were protesters blocking the main gate preventing me from getting to my home for over 30 minutes because they didn't like the nuclear weapons that were stored on the base. Needless to say I was pretty annoyed, but I still respected their right to freedom of speech. And the irony is that the very people inconvenienced by their protest were the ones that served to protect that right.

Assuming for arguments sake that what he is saying is true (I'm still undecided), I would want hundreds or even thousands of people doing the same thing to get the word out and bring about change. If he is wrong, then maybe he hurt a few people's feelings by disturbing their reflection on the 9/11 events. Oh well, one problem with our country is that we try to be too politically correct. Freedom of speech is a right ALL THE TIME, not just when it's convenient for you or you agree with the message. Exercise your rights or lose them...

reply to post by StarPeace


He was not instigating, he was not inciting, he was trying to inform people peacefully.

You may not agree with what he said or when and where he said it, but its his right to do so.

Westboro Baptist church protest soliders funerals, do I agree with this? No. Do I think its in bad taste? Yes. Do I think they should have the right to do so? Yes.

Free speech is free for everyone not just the ones you agree with.

My brother is a solider and if they protested his funeral I would be mad as hell and would think about exercising my right to be arrested for beating some people senseless and I would deserve it and be wrong for doing so and they would still have the right to carry on.

Would you respect their right to protest (loudly) outside your house at 2:00AM?
OR
Do you agree there are some limits to free speach?

reply to post by lZEROl


One of the most honest posts I've read in a while.
Thanks, that was refreshing.

Commando joe, you had some excellent points as well.
Both of you hit the nail on the head.

Unfortunately, the mentality you are seeing displayed here is in the majority, imo.
This is what our country is now.
A bunch of freedom hating social retards.
We have lost our freedoms for the most part because no one wants the other guy to have them.
We are a nation of cowards who would rather go without their freedoms if it means EVERYONE gets to have them.

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I suppose the only comfort I take in all of this is the comfort of knowing that ONE DAY...... it will come back to bite these people in the ass. ONE DAY you will reach out for the freedoms you so despise and you will come back empty handed.

It is either freedom for EVERYONE or freedom for NO ONE!
The mental midgets that comprise the majority have chosen NO ONE!!

So, no one it is.
Have fun with that.

Originally posted by samkent
Would you respect their right to protest (loudly) outside your house at 2:00AM?
OR
Do you agree there are some limits to free speach?

Are you seriously comparing a guy walking down the streets in the middle of the afternoon protesting loudly
to a guy protesting loudly at 2:00am???

Do I really need to take you to school on why your arguement is fundamentally flawed or can you figure this one out on your own?

Define 'peaceably' in the right to 'peaceably assemble'.

Would standing 3 feet and shouting at someone who is touching their fathers name be considered 'peaceably'?
If so..
Then the police could take your 16 year old son into the station (for DUI) and put them in a room and have a shouting session.
The police could knock on your front door and when you open it they could shout at you to support the next tax issue.

It's likely you accept limits on the rights to bear arms so why would you have a problem with limits on the right to free speech?