It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
"We spoke with several of the neighbors," Epps says. "And none of them -- none of them -- heard any sirens that morning. Every one of them told us they didn't hear anything, no knocking, no shouting, until the shooting started. They didn't hear anything until the shooting started."
Perhaps we will at some point see convincing evidence that Dupnik and Storie are right -- that Jose Guerena was in fact a drug dealer and violent criminal who dressed up like a cop to rob rival drug dealers and innocent citizens of Pima County. But at this point, all we have is a dead father and veteran, a violent series of raids that make little sense, and a police agency that over the last three weeks has put out incorrect information, insisted that it would be dangerous to release any further information, and, at the same time, allowed a police representative to release information favorable to the department.
The government of Pima County has killed one of its own citizens. This is the most serious, solemn, and severe action a local government can undertake. It demands complete transparency. The Pima County Sheriff's Department and other agencies involved in the raid ought to be doing anything and everything to make themselves accountable. Instead, they've shown arrogance, defiance, and obstinacy -- all wrapped in an appeal to public safety.
Originally posted by expfcwintergreen
while i dont agree with anything i saw in the video, could somebody please explain what the guys service record has to do with anything?
just because somebody served in the forces doesnt make them any more or less than anybody else.
You hear sirens go by all day long in lots of places. Hearing a siren for less than 15 seconds, does not identify that cops are breaking into your home.
Police show up, silently. One officer is smart enough to engage the siren, only to be told moments later (read a few second of actual sound of sirens) to "Kill that #."
This is the only thing that happened, which is enough to prove murderous intent. They didn't follow procedure, did a no knock, no siren bust... no Police pretext, just bullets.
Argue that... I challenge you.
In recent research, we found that eyewitness memory and interpretation of crime scenes were
less effective than anticipated.
When a police officer confronts an armed suspect, the officer’s choice of response must be made
swiftly. Frequently, such decisions must be made in less than a second. During that time, many
factors in the scene must be evaluated: the suspect’s motions; where the weapon is aimed; the
presence of other people, including other potential suspects, and whether or not they are in the
officer’s probable field of fire; and other potential sources of hazard, to self, to others, and to the
suspect, in the immediate environment.
Originally posted by ateuprto
That was the sloppiest damn entry I have EVER witnessed. EVER. Keep in mind I have personally trained and gone on raids with Afghan and Iraqi forces. These pigs should be real proud of themselves. A man was shot over 60 times with his rifle pointed at the ground with the safety on. A veteran none-the-less. I didn't hear them identify themselves as police before they broke the door down.
Cowards want to play GI Joe without having to be deployed to truly dangerous war zones. Burn in hell pigs.edit on 27-5-2011 by ateuprto because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Its just gonna be a matter of time one of these marines makes an IED and takes out an entire SWAT unit. Im sure they learned a few things in Iraq and Afghanistan.