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Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
The financial and military might of the US - backed up by Europe has set the moral/ethical tone of international dealings - through the threat of force, sanctions, censure etc.
When it is gone - since we are the only ones who have these liberal democratic style values, largely it must be noted as a result of the internalisation of Judeo christian values.
Then at the very least chaos will ensue as nations no longer constrained by the 'evil USA' will follow their true natures.
Russia/Former Soviet states
La Raza/Southern states
and many more.........
I just hope I live long enough to see some liberal asswipes having to watch their wives or partners being assraped by Chinese troops.
Originally posted by Jepic
reply to post by EternalThought
Sorry mate. I think the US will have to pay their bill first. Then we can talk.
On a serious note, it's more likely for Europe and Russia to unite than for America and Russia to unite.edit on 9-5-2011 by Jepic because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
An empire doesn't truly fall until it's national language is longer the reserve language of the world. We are a very long way from that. If an East Indian that speaks Hindi and Chinese person that speaks Cantonese want to communicate together they speak English to each other, I have seen it many times.
Bible prophesy says the only power that the Anglo-American world power will yield too is the United Nations.
I see a time in the future when America could really get out of policing the world because they are so broke, then the job would default to the UN.
edit on 9-5-2011 by Blue_Jay33 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ExCommando
reply to post by Nobama
I'm hoping that comments can be backed by information / evidence / theory?
Originally posted by watcher3339
It will not fall.
There may be unrest. There may be transition. And the rest of the world may get very, very pissed by the time we have put our financial house in order, but the U.S. and its actual economic position will not fall.
1. China, much to their dismay, can't afford for it to fall. Not only do they have a huge stockpile of our dollars but they rely too heavily on our purchasing power to propel their own economy. Yes, they can wean themselves. They actually want to cool down their GDP. And other markets are rising that will eventually be able to combine to replace the purchasing power of the U.S. but that will take time and the U.S. will use that time to stage the next paradigm shift.
2. We feed the world. It's so heartless and cruel to break it into those terms but, there it is. Cut our dollar. Jack up oil. Do whatever you must. And then watch our food export prices simply rise to the new occasion.
3. Despite the enacted policies of the last several decades the individualism of U.S. culture is far better suited to isolationism than it is to the globalist "its a small world after all". We can feed ourselves. We can build shelter. Most Americans, yes even the elitist leftists who would rather not admit it, don't REALLY care what the rest of the world thinks. We could default tomorrow and many would consider it finally being paid for everything that has been placed on our shoulders over the past decades in terms of policing the world.
4. The Yen can't replace the dollar. You already noted that in terms of GDP the Yen is in worse shape than the dollar. And it will continue to deteriorate as the costs rise on the recent disasters. Also, they hold a ton of our debt. A devalued dollar hurts their economic standing as well.
On a more speculatory note, havent' you noticed how close to parity all of the wester currencies are moving? Sure you are up .10 right now. Canada and the U.S. have been just about even for awhile. The pound and the Euro are still up there, but the Euro will be facing debt crisis corrections for some time to come. Amero? Banquero? Your guess is as good as mine and I am not saying that the currency of note will be the "green back" but the U.S. fiat is backed by military might and self sufficiency. Turmoil is likely. Collapse would shock me to the core and we would just exist in a closed system where it didn't matter what anyone else thought. Would give us more jobs that way too...
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Americans don't care about people around the world, as a people we are very caring and sharing, especially in good times. It's just that we tend to be a home first kind of place. If things get really hairy we will just close the door, pull the shutters, and wait for the storm to pass. And it will.
edit on 8-5-2011 by watcher3339 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Nobama
Just think of USA as the new-age Rome, now go from there.
Originally posted by Gazrok
The Roman analogy is a good one (and the aftermath of Rome's fall should serve as an important forecast of what would happen should America fall...)