Wag The Dog - Three reasons why the official OBL story stinks to high heaven

reply to post by The Ghost Who Walks


I see you took the official story and ran with it. I'll trust MUSLIM CLERICS over ATS when it comes to muslim burial traditions...

www.news.com.au...

Sea burials can be allowed, they said, but only in special cases where the death occurred aboard a ship. "The Americans want to humiliate Muslims through this burial, and I don't think this is in the interest of the US administration," said Omar Bakri Mohammed, a radical cleric in Lebanon. Read more: www.news.com.au...

Originally posted by earthdude
There was no human shield used by Bin Ladin. This story came from some imaginative person in the White House. I think the whole story is imagined. It would be easy to find the person making this stuff up. Just follow the story backwards, you lying reporters.

But here's the problem in my opinion of chalking this up to an "imaginative person in the Whit House " leaking bad information.

1. If you were President, and seeking to run for a second term, and experiencing extremely low poll numbers, and are claiming to have scored one of the biggest captures of the past ten years, or perhaps since Hitler some would argue, wouldn't you pretty much put an iron clad gag order in affect in order to control and claim such a victory?

See, if Obama has so little control over leaking information and total fabrications, it doesn't bode well for his cuurent power in the White House. Keep in mind, these are not conspiracy fed statements, these statements are coming from his administration....DIRECTLY!

2. The persons contradicting statement after statement are not people hearing second and third party information. Rather, John Brennen and Carney speak less than 16 hours apart and totally contradict each other (one ex: reaching for weapon vs. Unarmed).

3. Obama himself repeated over and over again: we watched with great angst in REAL TIME.... Only to be changed in less than 24 hours to: minute by minute updates. TWO totally different things entirely. Plus, anyone else remember that the original photo also contained the image of a wide screen , NCIS-style, that everyone was watching? It even had the tell tale signs of greenish color from night vision equipment? Now, the official watch photo has been changed strictly to a front shot with Hillary clutching her mouth.


No matter which camp you're in, it's not good. Either Obama has no control over his administration and information whatsoever, or the entire thing is fabricated. At least when Bush lied, he, and his cronies, stuck to their story in earnest. If you're gonna lie, at least have enough faith in the American citizen to acknowledge we can remember what was actually said.

reply to post by ~Lucidity


I apologise for upsetting you in any way. That wasn't my intention. You led with:

Official story as reported on CBS News last night says they sent in a chinook to pick the remaining people and the body up.

Your choice of words led me to assume that you were simply accepting the official line to debunk what was merely a question on my part. That's the problem with written text - we cannot always know what the other party is actually thinking when writing. Once again I apologise for causing any offence. I think we are on the same side.

What this does highlight is how easily the 'truth' or the quest for it can be clouded by the fog of disinfo out there.

I have searched all over for references to chinooks and indeed there is one 'unnamed' source (reported on Reuters) who says that was the case.

Chinook helicopters were called in to help get the U.S. troops out, said one U.S. government official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

But the official story remains murky as hell. I still doubt very much that following all that commotion so near a military establishment a chinook could have made it anywhere near. I don't profess to have any answers or even if my argument holds any water but unless we keep chipping away at the lies we will never be able to fully expose them.

Sorry once again for any offence.

reply to post by Chance321


Computer external storage devices, not www linked, for security, which is why couriers were needed.

It's cool. I probably could have been clearer, but I thought that in that responding to a post, it was pretty clear I was addressing a couple of point from that post that the poster seemed murky about. You're right. The holes are never ending, and they're attributing them all to "the fog of war." I don't buy that for a second. Now I'm going to get some sleep. Keep up the good work.

It makes me sad that my first reaction to this announcement was doubt, and it hasn't changed. You are so right about this thing being unbelievable. Watching Barry up there making the announcement made me think of Narcissus. It appears there is no one left to trust.

Originally posted by lpowell0627

1. If you were President, and seeking to run for a second term, and experiencing extremely low poll numbers, and are claiming to have scored one of the biggest captures of the past ten years, or perhaps since Hitler some would argue, wouldn't you pretty much put an iron clad gag order in affect in order to control and claim such a victory?

See, if Obama has so little control over leaking information and total fabrications, it doesn't bode well for his cuurent power in the White House. Keep in mind, these are not conspiracy fed statements, these statements are coming from his administration....DIRECTLY!

You are not considering the possibility that Obama himself might be being duped. If he believes it, why wouldnt he be comfortable announcing it? He didnt know they were going to "dump the body at sea" and burn all the evidence. Or at least we dont know that he did. His announcement made no mention of dumping the body at sea. That came after he had already committed to the story of the killing.

Originally posted by lpowell0627
3. Plus, anyone else remember that the original photo also contained the image of a wide screen , NCIS-style, that everyone was watching? It even had the tell tale signs of greenish color from night vision equipment? Now, the official watch photo has been changed strictly to a front shot with Hillary clutching her mouth.

They actually were not watching it unfold live according to someone in the room. They were getting updates, but not visuals.

piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com... at 3:10 on

Originally posted by lpowell0627
No matter which camp you're in, it's not good. Either Obama has no control over his administration and information whatsoever, or the entire thing is fabricated.

And its very possible that Obama is also being duped. Those two statements arent an "either or" the whole thing might be being fabricated because Obama has no control over his information. It COULD be that he is party to the fabrication, but it is also likely that he is a dupe. He did not see the body, did not SEE it unfold, and only has photos and DNA evidence and they could have acquired DNA from Osama at any time if the CIA was in contact with him as many claim. Even if he was killed earlier as many claim, they could have taken DNA at that time.

Obama, and we, have no evidence whatsoever, besides hearsay, that Osama was killed on May 1, 2011.

This newish story is pretty interesting as far as holes go. Particularly in regard to something I've been trying to keep an eye on..who did the Seals have the "firefights" with? Out of the firefights, the only casualties were OBL, a woman, and two couriers?

Bin Laden's Compound 'Built for Deception,' Potential Attack

Read more: www.foxnews.com...

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander

If the official timeline is accurate/believed, wouldn't it have been May 2? As far as I know so far, I believe the official "line" is around 1:30 a.m. Pakistan local time, which would make it May 2, 2011.

reply to post by ~Lucidity


Im just waiting to see what "information" they pull out of the "data" they seized.

IF this is a fraud, we can rest assured that data will contain information that will support actions they already wanted to take.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander

Of course it will match, and then the fog will clear and the light will appear....

I'm telling ya...this is pretty nuts to try to keep track of at the rate things are changing and the way new information is being release with just some "minor" differences to the last time it was released.

Just to add my two cents worth.

(I can't believe I'm actually buying into a conspiracy theory)

After seeing footage of the house I have problems with "a 40 minute" operation time - unless they count the minutes of hovering in the air to start with and ending the timeline when the last chopper had left the compound. I mean - they are Navy Seals - the cream of the whats'it.

I have issues with the hurried taking to an aircraft carrier and buried at sea according to muslim traditions. As many have already said, there hasn't been a shortage of video and pictures of other bad dudes having been captured or taken down.

I think that what really happened was that they have captured OBL alive and they are desperately trying to cover up this fact.

That is the only scenario that makes sense to me.

One of the major stories in Denmark right now is that they had to rush the operation because key elements about OBL's messenger service and his probable whereabouts was leaked to Wikileaks about a week ago.
If they waited any longer, they would loose track of OBL again.

That the raid was in fact rushed because of the brave patriots that leak information without thinking about the consequences.

Originally posted by casinoed

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What this does highlight is how easily the 'truth' or the quest for it can be clouded by the fog of disinfo out there.

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And it also makes us think that sometimes (always) the press elaborate or even invent particulars claiming to quote anonymous/inside sources.

It doesn't have to be orchestrated from The White House. Sometimes it is deliberately embellished because every news outlet are trying to boost their numbers.

We have a well known cooperation between one of our rag papers and a British one. The Danish one writes unsubstantiated bullocks about something in Great Britain and the British paper can then quote "outside sources" without risking being sued.
And vice versa.

reply to post by HawkMan11


anyone check the wikipedia history on burial at sea? this url is Revision as of 21:15, 2 May 2011 en.wikipedia.org...
that is when the "burial at sea" was added to wikipedia, with no source quoted, and he/she revised it for the next 24 hours 10 times, mostly to get the wording and format right to make it fit seamlessly into the original post. some one was up late covering there tracks for the masses who needed to read about a "traditional islamic funeral at sea" wow the propaganda machine must not be able to afford the quality C.Y.A. that they used to have, pre 9/11 that wiki page would have been revised at least a month prior to the story.

reply to post by sslogic


You should make a thread on that. That fact will get lost in this one.

OK, has this been pointed out? Obama, according to MSM reports, knew of Osama's location for 9 months; since August of 2010. So he decides to get him on May day, a known occult day of ritual (many world leaders and events, such as the death of Adolph Hitler happened on May 1), a few days after he gets caught releasing a pdf document purported to be his birth certificate, a document that has more holes in it than a block of Swiss cheese. They supposedly get a DNA match in 6 hours (worlds fastest DNA test anyone?) and then dump the body in the ocean.

www.activistpost.com...

This story stinks worse than my cat's litter box.

reply to post by Drew99GT


It was May 2 local time. How do time zones figure into this equation?

reply to post by BlackOps719


YOUR REASON #1: So, YOU think something is suspicious, so it is therefore objectively suspicious? Serendipity can't happen because it's just too good to be true? Wow. First of all, I would think it highly unlikely that most people in the USA (the real audience for this announcement) would even know what "May Day" is, or what other events took place on 5/1, so any significance to the date would be lost on them. Further, making a causal connection between events that took place (like the founding of the Bavarian Illuminati!!!) in a rather coincidental fashion doesn't reflect anything other than your own biases and unwarranted assumptions.

If you drive around anywhere in the US, you will not find anywhere where "the dam" is about to break and unleash social chaos. People are hurting all over this land, and finding Osama bin Laden won't relieve their hurt or distract them from the bills. The news cycle for this story is almost over with anyway, so it's not much of a distraction from world issues.

I say that the house was a PERFECT hiding spot for someone like that. Compounds are rather ordinary in that part of the world, and in a town with a LOT of current former military types, security and secure housing is not unusual. Further, its location in a town populated by military types, down the street from Pakistan's West Point, makes the house an exceedingly unlikely target a drone's missiles. Whoever built it there knew precisely what they were doing. Who'd have ever imagined that OBL would be hiding out in the open?

YOUR REASON #2: it seemed "a bit forced," huh? The crowd is too diverse? The latter only demonstrates a certain level of ignorance concerning D.C. and the city around the executive mansion. The White House is practically down the street from George Washington University (and many other schools are in the very small NW quadrant of the very small city). DC's residents, students and otherwise, are among the most diverse groups in the world. Go to a downtown bar and you're as likely to meet kids from Sierra Leone, Vietnam, Pakistan, Iran, Argentina as you would someone from Wisconsin, and probably EVEN more likely to meet them than a Washington native! Many students were awake at the time, studying for finals or just wasting time, and many of them went over to the White House to celebrate. Perhaps to even let off steam from studying. You will notice that the crowd outside the White House was quite young. Further, it's not as though the President announced a new "contract with America;" it was the triumphant death of Public Enemy #1, the most demonized individual in my living memory. We'd vanquished our mortal enemy, even if the impact is purely symbolic. Public celebration is not unexpected, especially in such a liberal-leaning city (which it is!). Thousands of people were literally jumping for joy and dancing in D.C.'s streets when Obama was elected, and that was ENTIRELY spontaneous (I was there). You can cynically believe that "its a bunch of pre-orchestrated b.s," and that's your right, but you are almost unquestionably in error.

YOUR REASON #3: the burial at sea is an odd decision, but it does solve the problem of what to do with this worthless man's cadaver, does it not? Fights for custody, arrangements for transfer, domestic and international political machinations, etc. are all conveniently moot if you dump the dude's bullet-riddent corpse into the ocean. Why should the administration care if we do or don't believe them? With thinking like yours, NO proof would be satisfactory. A picture of the body? Probably faked. A video of the burial? Probably faked.

Should we have given the body a state funeral? Perhaps you're suggesting he could been laid in state in the visitor's center of the Capitol building. Perhaps we should have buried him at Arlington National Cemetary, right next to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. You suggest that "they paraded Sadaam all across CNN" and "even televised his public hanging," but that's not entirely true. We definitely enjoyed seeing Saddam Hussein's capture, but as far as his death was concerned, the only video I saw appeared to be from a cellphone smuggled into the execution chamber, not some official government footage of the event. Further, the footage wasn't broadcast over and over and over by news outlets.

You ask "why the feigned respect suddenly for a man who was widely detested and seen as the devil himself?," and I reply to you that maybe it's because his captors believed that they were dealing with a human being with a soul, and that basic respect and dignity be shown to them, even in death. We are not a nation of thugs and unfeeling monsters. Perhaps some enraged Iraqi civilians can drag the bodies of US contractors through the streets, and perhaps Americans have their own unfortunate histories with lynching, but to treat OBL with respect puts us on the moral high ground.

You also suggest that OBL "was confirmed to have suffered kidney failure and to have been on dialysis nearly a decade ago" and that "he was questioned at an American hospital by CIA back in the early 2000's and released," although there is not a shred of actual evidence either of those things are actually true. Sure, I've read those ideas countless times, but that means nothing. Do you know why? They were all based on information provided to some other folks from untraceable "anonymous sources." They were, in other words, completely unsubstantiated rumors and myths, yet you believe them to be fact. They are "facts" only in the minds of those who want to believe them, evidence be damned.

Originally posted by BlackOps719



Please think hard....and post anything you may have noticed

Here's an anomaly I noticed on Sunday evening's news coverage when hundreds of young people "spontaneously" showed up in front of the White House: many of them were wearing black t-shirts with an American flag on the back. It seemed so staged it was almost laughable.