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Originally posted by BlackOps719
There has been a lot discussion and a great deal printed since our witnessing of the miraculous announcement that came from our dear leader yesterday evening. There have been tearful rallies in the streets with cries of patriotic fervor and bi-partisan back patting on mission accomplished. There have been 9/11 heroes paraded to and from what was formerly ground zero, and there have been stories of surviving family members who lost loved ones on that day nearly ten years ago.
As I sat and watched this all unfold last night on my tv screen, the decorated college kids hooting and hawing....the proud and boastful president declaring justice has been served....the rehashing of the drama filled, story book like tale of how the heroic SEAL team crashed the gates of the hidden compound with precision and orchestrated the brave and heroic mission to capture the boogie man himself, Mr Osama Bin Laden.
As I sat there with my mind racing, hopeful that our leadership had done something of great worth to the world...nervous and skiddish as I am painfully aware of how lies and manipulation are always never far from a good story such as this one. And even during the rallying cries and the images of patriotic fervor and the declarations of victory for America and mission well done.....I just couldnt shake the feeling that something just didnt seem quite right.
REASON #1 - All the worlds a stage
The first thing that stood out in my mind was the date. May 1, or as they call it "May Day". The same date Hitler was killed. The same date "mission accomplished" was declared by the shrub. The numerology stood out because of the many stories I have encountered of ritualism and the importance of numbers and dates when talking about the actions of the elite and their need for numbers to fit the bill. Coincidence? Maybe. But wierd to say the least.
But more so than the date was the sense of timing. Ten years into two bloody and unpopular wars, the country sits on the brink of economic collapse. The American currency is nose diving, the rebounding economy is slowing to a crawl. Banker bailouts have come and gone. The birth certificate storm rages on. The popularity level of our fearless president has sunk to an all time, desperately low level. The country is being ripped apart by storm after storm, while Japan sits and wastes away in a radiation zone. Just when tax payers are broke and fed up to the near point of rioting, when on a daily basis one can hear patriotic talk of overthrow and contempt toward this administration. Bam. The entire world shakes.
Doesnt it seem like this team needed a win in the worst sort of way? Doesnt it seem a little convenient that right when the dam is about to break and the country is about to plunge into chaos, suddenly this big score just falls in Obama's lap? The man went from having wolves at the gates to cheering mobs of rejoicing Americans filling the streets in nationalistic support. Is anyone this lucky? I say no.
The same boogie man that we have been hunting for over a decade, the very face of the Al Quaida terror posse, just happens to be lounging in a house in the suburbs of Pakistan, not a mile away from military headquarters. A house that was supposedly heavily guarded yet noone noticed? A place that supposedly had no internet or phone, yet has sattelite dishes lining the back wall of the property? We just happened to locate this compound and orchestrate a plan to engage and kill OBL, right at the exact moment in time this administration HAD to have a big win?
REASON #2 - It all seemed a bit forced....
One minute Im sitting in my living room watching some crappy show on cable, the next there is hype of this big big grand announcement to come. The buildup was nothing short of Hollywood suspense thriller. President Obama comes on and delivers his pre-written, pre-rehearsed speech about how justice has been served, how Americans should return to the same level of patriotism that they showed on 9/11, and then poof....before you could blink an eye there were hundreds of people filling the streets near the white house, waving great big flags and wearing American flag shirts and chanting and singing...all in a supposed show of unscripted impromptu support for the dear leader and for the great murder of an arch criminal terrorist. All of this felt to me very much staged, planned, rehearsed. All of these fresh faced college kids in love with America, the crowd uncommonly multi cultural and ready to smile for the press. It felt very much contrived and planned.
Almost like someone maybe knew in advance where to go and what to do? Like they were put there? Like a suprise party where all of the guests showed up before the birthday boy came on, and all yelled suprise just minutes after he arrived?
Suprise......its a bunch of pre-orchestrated b.s.
REASON #3 - The body. Where is the body?
Come on man. A burial at sea? For the most villainized, ostrecized, idolized arch terrorist in the history of the modern world? You just successfully kill and abduct the remains of the public enemy #1....and all the administration can think of is to usher in a "respectful Muslim burial at sea"? Even though OBL had no relation to the sea whatsoever, and many have a difficult time even finding confirmation that a burial at sea has anything to do at all with an acceptible Muslim burial.
So what? No photos? No video? Not one outside source to confirm the capture and disposal of the most infamous and notorious man in the world? They paraded Sadaam all across CNN when they dug him from his hole. They even televised his public hanging for the entire world to see.Tthey didnt seem too concerned about his Muslim burial? Why the feigned respect suddenly for a man who was widely detested and seen as the devil himself?
Could it be that the body was frozen solid? Could it be that there was no body at all? Was the whole raid just a well timed ruse to boost morale and to boost polling numbers? I personally have long believed OBL to have been dead. He was confirmed to have suffered kidney failure and to have been on dialysis nearly a decade ago. He was questioned at an American hospital by CIA back in the early 2000's and released. The Bin Laden family has well known and well documented ties to the Bush family and the Carlyle Group, and for those like myself who believe that Osama Bin Laden had little or nothing to do with the attacks on 9/11, this all seems very surreal and troubling.
So there are my three issues that i cant seem to shake. This is all just my own thinking process, not claiming I am 100% correct or even 10%. I would love to believe that things are as they seem, that 9/11 was done by muslim terrorists, that our government has done a great and noble thing by killing a brutal terrorist leader who deserved justice to be dealt, I wish I was unaware the great number of times we the people have been misled and lied to.
Are they trying to make a case for a war in Pakistan? If so they now have it. Are they trying with all of their might to make a floundering president into a national hero? So far the media is pimping this story pretty hard, and quite frankly the sheep are eating it up like popcorn.
These are my questions, and I share them with my fellow skeptics so that you can add to this list of inconsistencies and questions that may bother you about this whole fiasco. I dont have all the answers, but right now I feel like a duck being fattened up for the slaughter, and I feel that all of this showbiz is not being done for nothing. We are in for something major very soon, and what that is has suddenly become very real and frightening.
Originally posted by JohnnyR
Soooo.. did anyone listen to Glenn Beck today? Apparently if you don't think Osama was killed Sunday you will now be refered to as "Deathers" When I heard him say that I spit my drink out. So now we have Birthers, Truthers and Deathers....Anyone else find it curious that there is always a silly name made for people who don't accept the "official story" ?
Anyway, I'm with you OP, the story just doesn't add up. Keep digging everyone, if we could have been on 9/11 immediately after it happened like ATS has been on this one, maybe it would be a whole different story today.
Lets just hope no one finds the Allspark....
There were 25 people that went on the ground. They were carried in two Blackhawk helicopters that went in
Originally posted by brewing
I don't know why half the people on this site from the U.S. don't just leave the country and become a citizen of New Zealand or something. They never have a good thing to say about anything America does. We just took out a guy who has nurdered thousands of people, Americans, Arabs, you name it, and we still have screwed this one up. Amazing.. The are like that fanily of whiners that used to be on the SNL skit years ago.
We were concerned that if the Pakistanis decided to scramble jets or whatever else... They had no idea about who might have been in there, whether it be US or somebody else. So we were watching and making sure that our people and our aircraft were able to get out of Pakistani airspace . And thankfully, there was no engagement with Pakistani forces.
they sent in a chinook to pick the remaining people and the body up
Originally posted by casinoed
reply to post by THEDUDE86
And what are the payloads of those? Besides its a moot point, according to CBS, after a job well done they smoked cigars and waited to be picked up later on by clumsy-wumsy Chinooks - that incidentally touched down just 1 km away from Pakistan's leading military academy at a 'compound' where a 40 minute fire fight had just taken place.
Do you see what I'm getting at? Holes, big f@ck off holes all over the place.