Is being gay a choice/lifestyle?

Please keep things civil, folks -- otherwise the thread will be locked.

[edit on 9-8-2004 by Byrd]

You are quite wrong here!!

What you are just trying to define, is called "homosexual behaviour". This simply means the feeling being turned on by your own gender. It is only in your mind, and nobody cares about that, only if you are excited to try a ladies' undies...

Being a gay or homosexual, clearly means practising the gay life, and providing information to the world, that you are actually gay. This also means the sexual life of a gay, which of course, is chosen. You are not forced to go in bed with your gender, you only choose that, and if you do that, you are gay.

You know, if someone is turned on by the presence of his dog, he is not yet a zoophiliac, only if he is in the practise ...

You got it all wrong Ist.

Someone is a pedophile when children turn him on.
Someone is a pedosexual when he has sex with little children.

When you're gay it does not mean you have sex with your own gender, when you're homosexual it means that you have sex with your own gender. Someone can be gay, but choose never to put it into practise.
It will not change the fact that he is born gay.

So now you actually learned what "being gay" means, maybe you can finally admit you were wrong all along.
It's not a choice/lifestyle and it will never be.

Do you think, anyone cares about a 'gay', who is only gay in his mind? When he lives a straight life, maybe only in his mind struggling hard, nothing on Earth is wrong with that person. He is not part of the gay community. Same with those pedophiles, who are turned on by kids.

But there is a simple question: how on earth could someone be turned on by a child, if he never felt the beauty of sex with a child? You know, what I mean. Fantasy does not have such effect. Only if he tried several times, could have the feeling of being turned on what he already knows how it feels like.

This all keeps everything straight: Someone can be sexually turned on by creatures, that he has already tried. Being gay by the means of seeing a male and talking to him, is just nonsense. A gay must have the sexual experience first, to be able to say that he is a gay...

Originally posted by Istvan
But there is a simple question: how on earth could someone be turned on by a child, if he never felt the beauty of sex with a child? You know, what I mean. Fantasy does not have such effect. Only if he tried several times, could have the feeling of being turned on what he already knows how it feels like.

This all keeps everything straight: Someone can be sexually turned on by creatures, that he has already tried. Being gay by the means of seeing a male and talking to him, is just nonsense. A gay must have the sexual experience first, to be able to say that he is a gay...

I wonder what you meant about "the beauty of sex with a child"

So you are saying you are not stright till you have sex with a woman?

BS

Are you saying you cant be turned on by something you havent already tried?

Again BS

Originally posted by Istvan
A gay must have the sexual experience first, to be able to say that he is a gay...

Well, it defently shows that your not gay because you don't know what you talking about. I am gay practicly my whole life, even before I started to have sex with guys. I can remember that I fantasized from when I was like 11 years old without really having sex off course on that age.

Originally posted by Amuk
I wonder what you meant about "the beauty of sex with a child"

So you are saying you are not stright till you have sex with a woman?

BS

Are you saying you cant be turned on by something you havent already tried?

Again BS

Yes, I say that I cannot be turned on by something I never tried. This means clearly, that I could not be turned on by girls, when I was a child.

I think, that at the age of 11 the self conciousness of a child is not mature yet, it is interesting to me, how could a child be aware at that age, that he is gay.

When I was young, I already learnt that sex must be done between male, and female, after a certain age...

I still was thinking about what would it feel like to have sex with a crocodile, still up to date I am not aware that I am a zoophiliac. You know what I mean.

Originally posted by Istvan

Yes, I say that I cannot be turned on by something I never tried. This means clearly, that I could not be turned on by girls, when I was a child.

If you could not be turned on by girls what did you do FORCE yourself to have sex with them the first few times till you got used to it?


I myself have been turned on by girls a LONG time before I ever had sex with one.

I dont mean this as an insult (seriously) but you seem either very young or sexually confused

OH and good luck with that crocidile thing just be careful

[edit on 11-8-2004 by Amuk]

I knew a boy, who was straight until the age of fourteen. At that time, he was raped by four men one by one on a field, and after that he became gay. This is one way a person can turn into gay. In my country, homophilia is hated by just about everybody, so this boy travelled to Australia, to find opportunity to practise the sex with men.

I know another man, who is also gay. When he does not find another gay to have sex with, he uses his male dog for sex. Well, people can go just about any way far in the case of sex...

If you ask a christian if their religion is a choice they will vehemently deny it and go on about god's law etc. But without reading a book called the bible, or going to church, or being indoctrinated by another christian, they would have no concept of that particular religion. At some point in their life, they make a choice to follow a particular religion. Or if they have been raised from birth in a religion, then as adults, they choose to continue in it. Nobody in this country is persecuted for their religion. Even "cults" are allowed to be in peace. Gay people on the other hand are constantly at risk and under attack for their sexual orientation. If anyone would be motivated to choose a safer lifestyle, it would be gay people. Yet they are beaten to death, dragged behind trucks, denied legal protection and so on.

Since religion is a choice, and being hard-wired for attraction to the same sex is not, isn't the more logical path to choose a religion that repsects the diversity in people??

And bringing pedophiles and necrophiles etc into the picture is stupid. Same sex relationships are about consenting adults, not minors or dead bodies or animals. If you look at the sexual orientation of most "philes", you'll find a majority of straight men anyway. I mean are the jokes about gay farmers doing sheep? Or is it gay men who molest their daughters? Puh-leeze!

--Saerlaith

Originally posted by Amuk

If you could not be turned on by girls what did you do FORCE yourself to have sex with them the first few times till you got used to it?

[edit on 11-8-2004 by Amuk]

You know, this is when people get to learn things. Everybody is different, when I was a child, I wasn't a sex maniac and I did not get my first sexual experience at the age of twelve, because I knew that is wrong. Human community is based on culture and not on the behaviour of animals.

Regarding sex, I knew what I was doing, and not the pages of a porno magazine was in my mind at the first experiences. You get it?

From my point of view, being Gay or not, it qwas an option that we made, before reeincarnatiing again, here on Earth.

You see? Sexuality, it's a very usefull field to learn lessons, and when comes to Human Evolution, it is Wise to get the more experiences as possible, both reincarnatiing as Heterosexual , Homosexual, Bissexual, Transexual, or any other necessary Expression of Sexuality.
Geneticists, already know, that Humanity borns, with Bissexual information in their own DNA, so please don't get shocked, if after thirty years being chasing women/Men, you actually start to discover, (already with a Familly in your shoulders) a new... preference; a new wish to experience, new symbiosys with another Human Being.

I have to go now... but i will come back soon, because this subject is very interesting!!

Cya all soon!


HARAK.

Originally posted by Istvan

Originally posted by Amuk

If you could not be turned on by girls what did you do FORCE yourself to have sex with them the first few times till you got used to it?

[edit on 11-8-2004 by Amuk]

You know, this is when people get to learn things. Everybody is different, when I was a child, I wasn't a sex maniac and I did not get my first sexual experience at the age of twelve, because I knew that is wrong. Human community is based on culture and not on the behaviour of animals.

So now ALL sex is wrong not just gay sex? Again I dont mean this as an insult but It might just be your english but you sound like a VERY confused young man, talking about the beauty of sex with children, and how being raped will turn you gay and always talking about dead bodies and animals, and now ALL sex is wrong.

Originally posted by Saerlaith
And bringing pedophiles and necrophiles etc into the picture is stupid. Same sex relationships are about consenting adults, not minors or dead bodies or animals. If you look at the sexual orientation of most "philes", you'll find a majority of straight men anyway. I mean are the jokes about gay farmers doing sheep? Or is it gay men who molest their daughters? Puh-leeze!

--Saerlaith

Why do you think, that a necrophiliac thinks differently than a homophiliac? He does it with a dead body, that is the difference. Though, the necrophilia is not quite legal, the zoophilia is legal. If you make a search on it, you find that there is a market for this sexual orientation. Same with the urophilia, and it is all legal. I bet you, that there are far more people doing sex with pets, than with their own gender.

It is no use rejecting all the other philias, and separate them from the homophilia, because there is relationship between them. All of them are sexual desire, just like the straight sex for a healthy human mind.

Originally posted by Amuk

So now ALL sex is wrong not just gay sex? Again I dont mean this as an insult but It might just be your english but you sound like a VERY confused young man, talking about the beauty of sex with children, and how being raped will turn you gay and always talking about dead bodies and animals, and now ALL sex is wrong.

Can't you think with the mind of a pedophile? Or a gay?

To a gay, normal sex is wrong. To a pedophile, children are the beauty. Why is it so hard to get to know that?

Originally posted by Istvan

Originally posted by Amuk

So now ALL sex is wrong not just gay sex? Again I dont mean this as an insult but It might just be your english but you sound like a VERY confused young man, talking about the beauty of sex with children, and how being raped will turn you gay and always talking about dead bodies and animals, and now ALL sex is wrong.

Can't you think with the mind of a pedophile? Or a gay?

To a gay, normal sex is wrong. To a pedophile, children are the beauty. Why is it so hard to get to know that?

No I cant I am stright and think with the mind of a stright.

And I have NEVER heard a gay person say hetro sex was wrong.

But I did hear YOU say hetro sex was wrong.

Yeah. you are playing with my words...

Read my comments once more, and you will see my opinion more clearly. I did not say that the hetro sex is wrong, I said, there is a cultural behaviour required to do that... and a certain age.

Thats why I brought up the english thing because to me and I am sure most of the other readers you seem to be saying that hetro sex is wrong And I am not making fun of you, hell I cant even speak your language.

Originally posted by HARAK
From my point of view, being Gay or not, it qwas an option that we made, before reeincarnatiing again, here on Earth.

You see? Sexuality, it's a very usefull field to learn lessons, and when comes to Human Evolution, it is Wise to get the more experiences as possible, both reincarnatiing as Heterosexual , Homosexual, Bissexual, Transexual, or any other necessary Expression of Sexuality.
Geneticists, already know, that Humanity borns, with Bissexual information in their own DNA, so please don't get shocked, if after thirty years being chasing women/Men, you actually start to discover, (already with a Familly in your shoulders) a new... preference; a new wish to experience, new symbiosys with another Human Being.

I have to go now... but i will come back soon, because this subject is very interesting!!

Cya all soon!

HARAK.

Can you tell us a bit more about the options we get before incarnation?

How can it be that after 30 years, you feel the desire to explorer something new? why after so long?

I have a uncle thats gay...could it be a family related thing?
I quite sure i'm 100% straight, but im only 20...Could I be in "danger" in like 10 years, to get new wishes, fantasy's...?

THX, love to all

Originally posted by Amuk
Thats why I brought up the english thing because to me and I am sure most of the other readers you seem to be saying that hetro sex is wrong And I am not making fun of you, hell I cant even speak your language.

But I assume, now you see clearly what I am talking about... Homophilia was always a choice in a man's life. Perhaps a homosexual only made the wrong decision at an immiture age. For me, if someone realizes at the age of ten, that he is gay, and most worse, he has sex with a man at the age of thirteen, he definately ruined his life, at the ither hand, he could have a beautiful straight life with a female.

If someone has tried before sex with a girl, and after the age of 25 he finds out that he is disgusted of women, and he needs the body of a man, I assume, he is genetically gay. But I think, that could be quite rare.

Most people, who have some kind of sexual disorder, can be dated to his early teens, where he could have a bad experience...