Is being gay a choice/lifestyle?

Originally posted by Istvan
There are many reasons which lead to become a gay. First of all, a gay has to find a partner, and try, how does it feel being a gay. How does someone know he is a gay, if he has never ever tried? At that time it is called sexual disorder, nothing more. After he goes in bed with another male, and he realizes that it feels nice, then he IS a gay. But if a man with sexual disorder goes in bed with a female, he will find out what is being straight...

How did you know you were stright?

Did you have to have sex with a woman first to make up your mind?

I knew I was stright as far back as I have had ANY sexual urges.

I have NEVER wished to nor would I ever have sex with a Man.

Why should a gay person be treated any different

First of all, what does religion have to do with any of this? The bible is just a book, one of many. People throughout recorded history (long before the bible) have been homo, hetero & bi sexual. So it may have been Adam & Eve in one particular creation myth, but not all religions are so hysterical about who people love.

As for being gay or straight from birth, no 5 yr old _should_ be getting sexual in any way shape or form. But if people were allowed to grow up free from arbitrary rules about love and spirituality, there might be many more healthy, happy, productive gay people, instead of a culture full of guilt and repression. Children should be taught that love is good and sex is for responsible adults, end of story.

As for it being a choice or lifestyle, who in the world would really risk ostracism or death just to get their jollies with a person of the same sex? Gay people who are lucky enough to live in a tolerant area may be out having fun and showing "pride", but any poor soul born in a small town or a bigoted family risks even their life. I live in a town where same sex couples get death threats, lose their jobs, have cars vandalized and pets killed. If being gay was a choice, no one would choose to deal with the evil that straight christians perpetrate on the rare gay people here.

Who you love or have sex with should have nothing to do with what kind of rights you get. If only male/female couples are allowed to get married, and only married couples get certain rights and legal protections, that isn't right. Once upon a time, only white male property owners were allowed to vote. Was that right? Once upon a time, when a woman married, she was no longer a seperate person or able to own property. Was that right?

It always baffles me when people talk about defending marriage against gays. If same sex couples are given equal rights, how in the world does that mean a hetero couple isn't married any more? You're still married! Being fair and tolerant helps bring more love and goodwill into the world. It in no way makes existing hetero marriages dissolve or become illegal. What is the problem with more love in the world? Why support an ugly bigoted system?

--Saerlaith

Originally posted by Amuk

How did you know you were stright?

Did you have to have sex with a woman first to make up your mind?

I knew I was stright as far back as I have had ANY sexual urges.

I have NEVER wished to nor would I ever have sex with a Man.

Why should a gay person be treated any different

You know, people "learn" things when they are children. They learn what is wrong, and what is right. I did not have to have sex with a woman first, because I knew what is right. Gays are treated differently, because they know what is right, still they ignore it and they are starting to go really far and they are spreading this planet like a disease. Many people "become" gay, just to be different than others. There are really hopeless people, who are born sick, but I can understand those poor fellows. But that is only a tiny portion of the gay community...

Originally posted by pineappleupsidedown

How can you say having sex with a dead(therefore nonconsenting) object is better than having a loving relationship with another of your species. Its not all about the sex. There is a relationship there too.

Just look into the soul of those helpless poor people, who cannot do anything about being necrophiliacs. They love to have sex with dead bodies. They have a sick mind, but they are everyday people with little difference.

Being gay today is rather a culture, than an illness.

I highly doubt that people become gay just to be different

I am attracted to women not because its right but because it is hardwired in me

I think gays are the same its just hardwired in them

Why should they be forced to do what they consider "wrong"

I have NEVER had one of them try to convince me that being gay was the ONLY way. Maybe I am just ugly......LOL


And where do you get that it is "wrong"

Let me guess the bible......right?

OR

Your parents?

My father told me blacks werent human and were that color because God was punishing them.

He was wrong.

I have a link for those who really don't understand the homophilia...

Homosexuality

Originally posted by Istvan
I have a link for those who really don't understand the homophilia...

Homosexuality

A religious site.

Can you offer anything that has any thing to do with the BILLIONS of people that do not believe in your God?

Why do you claim that? Try to surf on the site a little.

Anyway, I searched the Internet for the opposite (born gay), there is no clue, that homophilia has anything to do with genetics. In fact, it is a "sexual desire".

Gender identity disorder is the result of lack of education, which is main cause of the homophilia and should be treated.

Homosexuality is also related to the sexual diseases(63%) , pedophilia and violence.

[edit on 6-8-2004 by Istvan]

Originally posted by Istvan
Why do you claim that? Try to surf on the site a little.

[edit on 6-8-2004 by Istvan]

I did, it says most if not all of its stand on everything comes from the bible and the koran.

At least they are equal opportunity fanitics

Claiming that there is NO difference between religion and law is kinda scary

Originally posted by Istvan
Why do you claim that? Try to surf on the site a little.

Anyway, I searched the Internet for the opposite (born gay), there is no clue, that homophilia has anything to do with genetics. In fact, it is a "sexual desire".

Gender identity disorder is the result of lack of education, which is main cause of the homophilia and should be treated.

Homosexuality is also related to the sexual diseases(63%) , pedophilia and violence.

[edit on 6-8-2004 by Istvan]

Being straight or gay is probably a combination of a choice and a lifestyle. The point is, people do it, they are consenting, there's nothing wrong with it, seeya later.

Who you are is a result of every experience that you have had. So it is only logical to conclude that your sexual preference is decided, and in turn manifested (by), before you reach the age where you are interested in sex (ie the same/opposite sex). I am straight why? Because that is what I learned to be before I realized I ever had a choice. I was influenced by everything that I had ever seen and hear about relationships. I never thought of myself as gay because by the time I had decided what my preference was, I had already unconcsiously decided what I should like before I liked it. Get it? This is how we trick ourselves into believing that we have always been one way or the other.

I have not always liked the opposite sex as oppose to the same sex per say. I have been conditioned to seek out female companions before I ever had the urge to seek them out. Do you see what I am getting at? It is a choice in so much as anything we do is a choice. We are the compilation of our experiences.

I personally believe that being bi-sexual is a more healthy decision as it is unbias, but as often times happens it is so difficult to change our ways in mid-flight.

[edit on 6-8-2004 by Jonna]

[edit on 6-8-2004 by Jonna]

To say it briefly: it IS a choice.

But if gay relationship is helthy and should be accepted, just any "philia" should also be accepted. And there goes the zoophilia, the urophilia, coprophilia and several other legal sexual desires. Homophilia isn't different at all, and either of all is a simple choice of the mind.

Originally posted by Istvan
To say it briefly: it IS a choice.

Are you completely and utterly ignorant?
It's not a choice, just like your own sexual desires are not a choice.
You might want to read the entire thread again.

Well, then being a pedophile is also not a choice. A pedophile is born to be a pedophile, it is in his genes, and he can do nothing on earth to become straight, even knowing that it is a crime what he is doing...

It is funny, how some people try to make the homophilia look so unique and mysterious. But it isn't that complicated. To be a gay, one has to go in bed with the same gender, if you don't do it, you are not gay. Quite simple. But I have a feeling, that gays wouldn't ever try to be straight, in fact they are looking forward to recieve legal rights, like marrige and child adoption... what will come next? will it one day be a religion?

Originally posted by Istvan
Well, then being a pedophile is also not a choice. A pedophile is born to be a pedophile, it is in his genes, and he can do nothing on earth to become straight, even knowing that it is a crime what he is doing...

It's not a crime to be turned on by little kids. It is a crime to have sex with little kids. Do you even understand the difference between desire to have sex and actual sex?
Of course pedophilia is not a choice, but putting it into practise is.

Honestly are there people on these boards that think pedophilia is a choice? How ignorant can one be...

[edit on 8-8-2004 by Jakko]

Hey, good debating thread going on here Jakko

heres my thoughts

if you are gay, and say you do have kids would they not inherit it?but i doubt that

its like, some guys like blondes, some like brunettes (sp?) etc etc i think it must be like a mixture of things

rynaldo

Originally posted by rynaldo82
Hey, good debating thread going on here Jakko

heres my thoughts

if you are gay, and say you do have kids would they not inherit it?but i doubt that

its like, some guys like blondes, some like brunettes (sp?) etc etc i think it must be like a mixture of things

rynaldo

Yes why is it not that a gay parents pass on thier genes to the offspring, more proof that it is a lifestyle choice.

I say it now and I have said it before it is a choice like beastiality or pedophiles and the same laws used to lagitimize homosexuals will be used to legalize everything else. This lady states the point very well,read and enjoy.
www.newswithviews.com...

[edit on 9-8-2004 by factfinder38]

Im sorry but your link seem not to work, or am I just the only one?

To all people who think it is a choice.
Could you explain how it works for you?

I am straight and I can not be turned on by my own gender, no matter what I choose.
Of course I can choose to have sex with someone, but I could not choose to be turned on by someone.
Sexual desire has nothing to do with choice, sex has.

This is why gay people can work in the straight porn industrie, their desire is to have sex with people of their own gender, but they choose to have sex with the opposite gender because it gets them money.

This thread is about being gay.
Being gay is NOT having sex with your own gender, being gay is being attracted to people of your own gender.
Once again, if it is a choice/lifestyle then explain to us wether your own sexual desires are also a choice/lifestyle.

[edit on 9-8-2004 by Jakko]