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Originally posted by Kram09
What I suggest, is that the Imperalists put their money where their mouth is and actively starts a huge campaign to rid the world of dictators.
Start with Libya, then let's go with Bahrain and Saudi Arabia (because aren't they using lethal force against protesters?), then Zimbabwe, then the big one North Korea and also Myanmar and China.
I think that's fair enough personally, if we are so concerned about human rights.
Originally posted by Kram09
What I suggest, is that the Imperalists put their money where their mouth is and actively starts a huge campaign to rid the world of dictators.
Start with Libya, then let's go with Bahrain and Saudi Arabia (because aren't they using lethal force against protesters?), then Zimbabwe, then the big one North Korea and also Myanmar and China.
I think that's fair enough personally, if we are so concerned about human rights.
Originally posted by Kram09
Quite right, quite right.
However this was fairly recent.
2007 I believe?
Originally posted by Kram09
So, it's not like it was 20 years ago. They knew he was a mad dictator then, yet it didn't really matter did it?
Yup, but as you have seen, one cannot just arbitrarily take action against a country without a reasonably solid justification.
Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by AndrewJay
What?
The United States is leading this whole thing Libya!
They're involved! (As usual)
Originally posted by Australiana
Could someone please clarify for me if Australian troops are being deployed as I only heard USA, UK, Canada and France are involved.
Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by AndrewJay
France fired the first shots (no doubt deliberately, so as not to show it as America being the aggressor again).
But I believe America is now leading the operation.
At least....I was watching BBC News last night and it said the United States had taken over lead of the operation from France.
and of course France fired the first shot and then immediately surrendered.
Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by AndrewJay
and of course France fired the first shot and then immediately surrendered.
How original....
Originally posted by stumason
Originally posted by Kram09
Quite right, quite right.
However this was fairly recent.
2007 I believe?
Yup. Blair did the deal with Gaddafi that in return for renouncing terrorism and giving up his WMD programmes, which actually surprised most in the West as to their extent, sanctions were lifted and Libya had lots of cash to splash. At the time, there was no real reason to do anything about him, at least not enough to launch attacks.
Even now, he was given plentiful warning and chances to avoid this action and, had he made concessions and relaxed his grip, he could still be in power now and be on moderately friendly terms with us. He ignored these warnings, time and again, threatening "no mercy" on all those who opposed him, while shelling Benghazi despite his own declared ceasefire. It's his own damned fault.
Originally posted by Kram09
So, it's not like it was 20 years ago. They knew he was a mad dictator then, yet it didn't really matter did it?
Yup, but as you have seen, one cannot just arbitrarily take action against a country without a reasonably solid justification. It has taken a long time just to get to this point, all the while Libya has seen heavy fighting and people dying. Without a pretext to intervene, it seems they would rather just let him be and not stir the pot. Don't forget, it was Gaddafi that forced our hand, not the other way around. He had many chances, all of which he blew.
edit on 20/3/11 by stumason because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by stumason
Yup, but as you have seen, one cannot just arbitrarily take action against a country without a reasonably solid justification.
Considering the debacle which was Iraq, I beg to differ,
Originally posted by AndrewJay
woah i just noticed im in a thread with a bunch of english people... how interesting.
yes, well, I shall take my leave and let you have your turn to play war. we've had enough of it.edit on 20-3-2011 by AndrewJay because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by AndrewJay
France fired the first shots (no doubt deliberately, so as not to show it as America being the aggressor again).
But I believe America is now leading the operation.
At least....I was watching BBC News last night and it said the United States had taken over lead of the operation from France.