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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by Human0815
reply to post by Wertwog
 


You asked for Earthquake Information,
i served you a good piece and now you
become soooooo tasteless that a further
exchange is futile.


Exactly correct, gently walk away and completely ignore their posts. People with that much hatred should be avoided at all costs, they drag you down into the same cesspool that they live in. As soon as I see certain members posts, I don't even read them and move on.




posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by Human0815
Inside of the Plant are maybe more Foreigners and Organizations than you think,


Human, I didnt think there was any. I am really interested in knowing more. As far as has been released, Tepco only allows specialized equipment from foreigners and the people to give the tutorial on how to use it. But it seems that even GE and Areva cant have permanent people on site. If this is wrong, please enlighten me.


Originally posted by Qmantoo
Where did you hear there were foreigners working at the plant, because if there are, then they probably know what is going on underground too.


I dont think so. Considering the ludicrous ways that Tepco has used in their attempt to hide all things Fukushima from the outside world, this probably extends to all parties except those directly involved in weapons production, which is probably just the US military high command, which is why they were allowed to do overflights anytime they want from day one, while all other overflights, including sats, have been banned.

The fact that Tepco uses so many different contractors and subcontractors to do even the basic stuff tells me that they want the chain of information broken repeatedly. This may even be a case of where too much knowledge can make you disappear.

And the US military presence is going to be a bunch of harmless looking eggheads shuffling around looking important. And compiling all the data that we really need to have.

Now if someone could crack the new NSA cloud, Ill bet that would tell us something.




Originally posted by Purplechive


Great photos PC. TTheyre going to have to wait though until after the last of the new vids is seen. Alot of new stuff coming out. Thats a trend in and of itself, but what does it mean?



posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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This stuff boils my blood.
Same sh!t they did after the Deepwater Horizon.



Fukushima Prefecture is calling for citizen volunteers to come and decontaminate their heavily contaminated towns.

why is it these massive companies like BP and Tepco, (two of the biggest) get subsidized from day one, and when the sh!t hits the fan, and theyve destroyed the earth, they expect us commoners to volunteer our time and clean up their mess. Yet fall behind in your winter heating bill and baby, they dont care if its 20 below zero, your heating days are cut short.

Boy, if ever there was a David and Goliath, its people like my avatar vs the corporations/govts of the world. In his case its Tepco and the Tokyo heads of state. (Replace with your own local honchos)

But the corporate overthrow of anything resembling humanitarian politics cant last for ever. One good idea is the switch banks movement (part of Occupy Wall Street). When they invest in more bombs and pollution and ways to overcome the social malaise (they created in the first place) via badder living through chemistry (ie prescription drugs, etc), its the peoples money, their clientele, they use. Or actually its the thought that they have that money somewhere that they use to find leverage. Theyve spent all of our money ions ago.

If we all start taking our money out of the big banks and into small localized banks with people we can trust, and pull our 401Ks and IRAs before the next collapse which is due within the next few months, that would send a signal that would make them shake their undies off.

And if I had a bank account, or IRA, or any money at all, thats what I would do.




posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 10:03 PM
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Over 10,000 march in Fukuoka, demand end to nuclear power in Japan. (ENENEWS) www.youtube.com...





As I watch the video I am proud to have helped in whatever way we have helped, and I think, yeah, there's hope.

Thank you brothers and sisters in todays protest. I go to sleep feeling a little bit better about life.
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posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 10:11 PM
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Right there on that one Z. If genocide via radiation was your plan do you think you might do some of these things? One simply has to recall nazi's forcing jews to dig the mass grave pits they would be the first customers of. Do these guys go to school for this shiate?

Genocide 101: Finding efficiencies in mass killing. Study with our eminent faculty who have coached your peers to follow a few easy guiding principles in how to get rid off excess population in your country via radiation; toxic waste; chemicals and gases; plagues, starvation, drought and war. Learn to take control and gain confidence in how to control your population through easy mind control techniques that work every time; distraction, denial, disinformation.

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Originally posted by Human0815
reply to post by Wertwog
 


You asked for Earthquake Information,
i served you a good piece and now you
become soooooo tasteless that a further
exchange is futile.


Your information was insulting, useless and did not address my requests which it was obvious you didn't fully comprehend, but I suppose I should thank you for trying?? Not only that you leaped to assumptions on what I was inferring with my line of inquiry despite my telling you multiple times otherwise, and any refutation you provided actually supported my argument. Hehe, I understand why you'd want to move on. On my behalf, despite being insulted by you I have no hard feelings, i wish you well, mostly because your avatar is cute. I'm feeling like a duck in water today, everything just slides off.


edit on 13-11-2011 by Wertwog because: that's inconceivable!



posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 10:35 PM
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A radiation specialist who went in with the firemen, passed away.
enenews.com... died-of-renal-failure-video
And a NY Times reporter who went to visit fuk detected 300 mSv/h. I didn't see Ann Coulter on that bus!
enenews.com...



posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by matadoor
Exactly correct, gently walk away and completely ignore their posts. People with that much hatred should be avoided at all costs, they drag you down into the same cesspool that they live in. As soon as I see certain members posts, I don't even read them and move on.


Aw M, in all seriousness, you should know I have no hatred in my heart directed at anyone on ATS (and very very very rarely elsewhere). I see the folks here as at least being a select part of an infinitesimally small minority of folks who actually give a dam to inform themselves, and salute every one of you for that act alone! The fact that we may disagree from time to time and it might get a bit rough or heated is healthy, that is how the truth is found. The thread could be equated to a crucible and it is vital that we test, and not just accept blindly the information and ideas here.

I have utmost respect for everyone here, especially those who've stuck it out for a long while, who I see is already high enough caliber to engage in this tumble. I would hope that you would continue to call me on my BS where you find it, and I actually like to be proven wrong as J&C did as it advances my personal knowledge and hopefully the knowledge base on the thread. Sometimes I get a weee bit impatient with folks and can be a bit of an a** when I have to repeat myself too often, and may get a bit testy now and again but there is no hate, only appreciation.
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posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by zworld

Originally posted by Human0815
Inside of the Plant are maybe more Foreigners and Organizations than you think


Human, I didnt think there was any. I am really interested in knowing more. As far as has been released, Tepco only allows specialized equipment from foreigners and the people to give the tutorial on how to use it. But it seems that even GE and Areva cant have permanent people on site. If this is wrong, please enlighten me.


I am sorry, i do not mean "Permanent", afaik. "No one can stay there Permanent"


My Formulation was wrong!
I was talking about Consultants from the US for GE,
from France for the Water Recycling and some other
(afir. Germans) for the Technical and Logistical Matters!

@ Wertwog,
i know that my English is very bad and sometimes (??) there are Misunderstandings,
but do not be so hard with me, i am sooooo soft and fragile


Let us both stay on focus!
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posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by matadoor

Originally posted by Human0815
reply to post by Wertwog
 


You asked for Earthquake Information,
i served you a good piece and now you
become soooooo tasteless that a further
exchange is futile.


Exactly correct, gently walk away and completely ignore their posts. People with that much hatred should be avoided at all costs, they drag you down into the same cesspool that they live in. As soon as I see certain members posts, I don't even read them and move on.


Interesting. Especially given how Fukushima is painted in the MSM media. Is it smart to " completely ignore " , "their" posts, no matter the perspective view? I mean the they's of theyvill are whom?. Let us not leave that one hanging: you are advocating ignorance ( a thing against this sites T&C) . Assigning emotional reactions to faction content , especially when it is expository or explanatory is neither a search for truth or an upholding of good critical thinking. The fukushima thread is the "all-time" thread because it has been correct SO MANY TIMES well ahead of the mass media or other 'infotainment' "news" sources, these are the small deaths revel in them if you will.

hatred does not drive one to seek the truth , hatred only ever in a human sense drives one to expose the truth or expose self . No one likes a patent and obvious liar ( tepcoFNco , japanese government , japanese banks ) or obfusicator .

We are all in this together, or are we not ?
fuku
the new world
edit on 14-11-2011 by Silverlok because: wert. aaah lou we like this place ...



posted on Nov, 14 2011 @ 12:19 AM
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I went back to that crappy film of #4 blowing and my old screen caps and did a little colour manipulation to pronounce the cloud. I did what I could. The results are a little improved. I know the film quality is terrible but this time I noticed when the cam pulls back, I think it's that same "other cam" that is up the hill between #1 and #5. The one we just learned about last week. Only time will tell if this is in fact, footage of #4 blowing [I'm sold]. It looks like a smaller explosion is taking place in the right foreground.









posted on Nov, 14 2011 @ 01:43 AM
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This is the cam I think the film of #4 blowing was shot from.
www.youtube.com...



posted on Nov, 14 2011 @ 02:05 AM
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Originally posted by Aircooled Only time will tell if this is in fact, footage of #4 blowing [I'm sold]. It looks like a smaller explosion is taking place in the right foreground.


AC, I dont think this is the main explosion for R4. The R4 blast was primarily lateral, so there would be a much more extensive blast cloud that reached out in all directions. Possibly the equivalent of two R1s. Plus, the original R4 blast occurred early AM, sun just starting to come up, and these are noon-afternoon.

But it is a suspicious cloud burst, and its occurring on the day of the blast. Interesting. There were also two fires on R4 during this time. One the afternoon (?) of the 15th, the other the next day. It would be nice to know the exact time of this burst.



posted on Nov, 14 2011 @ 02:07 AM
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INDONESIAN MINISTER DISMISSES NUCLEAR POWER ON EARTHQUAKE FEARS


Asia Pulse
November 8, 2011


www.pennenergy.com/index/articles/newsdisplay/1536850769.html


The idea of building a nuclear power plant to produce electricity cheaply cannot be applied in Indonesia due to the country`s geographical conditions, Deputy Energy and Mineral Resources Minister Widjajono Purwowidagdo said.

Indonesia`s geographical conditions were a major consideration not to build nuclear power plant in the country, he said Monday.

Before nuclear energy could actually be developed in Indonesia, many things must be considered such as efficiency, safety, the readiness of human resources and political need, Purwowidagdo said.

"Indonesia lies on a ring of fire, is prone to disasters that can damage a (nuclear) reactor or installation," he said.

Widjajono recalled the accidents that occurred at nuclear reactors in other countries such as Russia and Japan in the past.

"We all know how advanced Japan is in technology but recently we also witnessed the tragedy caused by the leaking of the Fukushima nuclear power plant," he said.

(...)

(ANTARA)
Copyright 2011 Asia Pulse Pty LimitedAll Rights Reserved
Asia Pulse



posted on Nov, 14 2011 @ 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by zworld

But it is a suspicious cloud burst, and its occurring on the day of the blast. Interesting. There were also two fires on R4 during this time. One the afternoon (?) of the 15th, the other the next day. It would be nice to know the exact time of this burst.


I am not sure because at that Time we have been escaping already
but when you read the new I.N.P.O. Report you are maybe able to construct a Timeframe!??!

As far as i can see it there was "some" Explosion/ Implosion" on different Places!
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posted on Nov, 14 2011 @ 08:38 AM
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Japanese Physicist Publishes Fukushima Radiation Records



The readings at the Fukushima Medical University close to the damaged nuclear power plant make grim reading



Today, an insight into the conditions in the region surrounding the Fukushima Nuclear Power plant soon after the magnitude 9 earthquake and resultant tsunami which caused the reactors to explode. Fukushima Medical University sits some 60 kilometres northwest of the power station.

In the run up to the accident, a physicist at the university, Tsuneo Konayashi, had been measuring the background levels of gamma radiation, the numbers of secondary particles from cosmic ray impacts and the amount of radon in the atmosphere.

So when the accident struck, Konayashi and his colleagues were in a good position to measure exactly how things changed. First, the background levels of gamma radiation changed little immediately after the earthquake but then spiked, reaching 9.3 times the usual levels on 16 March, five days after the quake and just hours after a hydrogen explosion occurred at the plant That's a level of 11.9 micro Seiverts per hour.

By August, Konayshi says the levels had dropped to 1.5 times the usual levels .

More to read here:

Radiation Measurements at the Campus of Fukushima Medical University through the 2011 off the Pacific Coast of Tohoku Earthquake and Subsequent Nuclear Power Plant crisis


To the Download, Dozooooo:

The High Cost of Freedom from Fossil Fuels



The cost to build new power plants is well over $10 billion each, with a proposed cost of about $14 billion to expand the Vogtle plant near Augusta, Ga. The first two units had cost about $9 billion. Added to the cost of every plant is decommissioning costs, averaging about $300 million to over $1 billion, depending upon the amount of energy the plant is designed to produce.

The nuclear industry proudly points to studies that show the cost to produce energy from nuclear reactors is still less expensive than the costs from coal, gas, and oil. The industry also rightly points out that nukes produce about one-fifth all energy, with no emissions, such as those from the fossil fuels. For more than six decades, this nation essentially sold its soul for what it thought was cheap energy that may not be so cheap, and clean energy that is not so clean.

It is necessary to ask the critical question. Even if there were no human, design, and manufacturing errors; even if there could be assurance there would be no accidental leaks and spills of radioactivity; even if there became a way to safely and efficiently dispose of long-term radioactive waste; even if all of this was possible, can the nation, struggling in a recession while giving subsidies to the nuclear industry, afford to build more nuclear generating plants at the expense of solar, wind, and geothermal energy?

www.scoop.co.nz...


Fukushima No. 1 tour an eye-opener



Saturday's media tour started out from the J. Village complex, which is situated 20 km south of Fukushima No. 1. The former soccer training center now serves as base camp the for thousands of workers shuttling to and from the troubled power station. During the 40-minute ride to the plant, reporters saw three completely abandoned towns: Naraha, Tomioka and Okuma.

Every restaurant, shop, home and office was deserted. The government has designated the area within 20 km of the plant as a no-go zone, forcing most of the 33,000 residents of the three towns to evacuate. The radiation reading inside the bus when it was parked at J. Village was 1.5 microsieverts per hour, higher than the outside reading of 0.5 microsieverts.

That meant the interior of the bus was more contaminated than the outside environment at J. Village. "That's probably because the bus is regularly used" to shuttle plant workers back and forth between J. Village and the plant, a Tepco official explained.

As the bus moved along National Road No. 6 toward the plant, the reading inside the vehicle kept rising. During the ride to the complex, the reading peaked at 20 microsieverts per hour. This occurred about 1.5 km from the plant's main gate. Several abandoned houses were on the left side of the road, and a convenience store stood on the right.
"The dose decreases toward the main gate (along the route). In this area, hot spots are found here and there," said a Tepco official who accompanied the journalists.

"The dose tends to be higher in places near woods."

www.japantimes.co.jp...

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posted on Nov, 14 2011 @ 10:21 AM
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Greetings:

Perhaps, Peter, Paul & Mary said it best: ...'But if I really say it, the radio won't play it ...'


However:

[color=#dc5000]The government is going to turn off the radiation detectors,

[color=#dc7800]raise the official EPA limits of radioactive exposure,

[color=#dc8c00]urge Americans to avoid preparing for fallout,

[color=#dca000]and then pretend absolutely nothing is wrong.


Here is an idea to consider ...

(BTW, as The Alliance exists only in our minds, this is NOT a recruiting message of any type).



The Alliance is a grassroots peace and environmental organization dedicated to sharing ideas and information necessary to survive the ongoing worldwide environmental warfare waged by the Fukushima multiple melt-throughs nuclear disaster/fiasco.

We support converting our economy to safely fulfill human needs, creating a cleaner, safer and more humane world while working to make the connections between peace, social justice and environmental responsibility.



One of these connections is the Nuclear Information and Resource Service (NIRS).

Through the resources of NIRS, the Alliance is instantly an international information and networking portal for citizens and environmental activists concerned about nuclear power, radioactive waste, radiation and sustainable energy issues.

By partnering with NIRS, we can also initiate large-scale organizing and public education campaigns on specific issues, such as preventing construction of new reactors, radioactive waste transportation, deregulation of radioactive materials, and more.

With the affiliation of The Alliance/OPERATION SURVIVAL and NIRS, we have become part of a growing international network that can effectively take on the increasingly globalized nuclear power industry.

Highlighting local actions can identify hands-on educational opportunities and perhaps participatory action by concerned citizens. Since we live in Georgia, we'll start with Savannah River Site and the Areva/MOX/Fukushima connection, and lead in to Georgia Power's Vogtle Nuclear Power Plant, where customers are paying for financing costs upfront, thanks to state legislators.

Ahh, Savannah, one of our favorite cities, and deeply embroiled in nuclear controversy, as
the Southeast is the epicenter of the attempt to revive nuclear energy.

Now it may also be the nuclear waste epicenter as well.

Ground Zero in our back yard!

The federal Blue Ribbon Commission on America’s Nuclear Future met in Augusta, Georgia on Jan 7, 2011 and heard nuclear boosters in the area of the Dept of Energy’s Savannah River Site (SRS), say that they are volunteering to take the highly radioactive waste formerly slated for Nevada.

Nuclear boosters want to build an “Energy Park” at SRS with a primary focus on waste storage and reprocessing or recycling of highly radioactive fuel waste, most of which is generated by commercial nuclear power reactors, as well as some from defense sources.

Such a plan would trigger a MOBILE CHERNOBYL.


People there are launching a campaign to oppose nuclear shipments through,
or to, our mountains.


23 February 2011
New public opinion poll finds that 70% of North Carolina oppose a utility plan to increase electric rates to pay for new nuclear reactor construction (also know as CWIP, or Construction Work in Progress).

This logo commemorates “Common Sense at the Nuclear Crossroads” a local campaign in WNC from 2006 and 2009.


Common Sense at the Nuclear Crossroads (CSNC) is an educational campaign focused on the transportation of nuclear materials and wastes, the local impact of the nuclear complex – both commercial and military.

CSNC produced two reports on nuclear transport, including maps of projected routes from many reactor sites to Savannah River Site if that site is selected for reprocessing.

Peace Love Light
tfw
[align=center][color=magenta]Liberty & Equality or Revolution[/align]



posted on Nov, 14 2011 @ 01:37 PM
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Helen Caldicott interviews Arnie Gundersen.
enenews.com... enon-release-at-fukushima-most-ever-2-5-times-chernoby
Enormous amounts of fuel were in reactors.
enenews.com...



posted on Nov, 14 2011 @ 06:39 PM
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An update on the Pacific impact plume model.


www.youtube.com...



posted on Nov, 14 2011 @ 08:20 PM
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New Photos from the Show for the Press!


blogs.denverpost.com...

Japan farm radioactive levels probed



A map of radioactive contamination across Japan from the Fukushima power plant disaster confirms high levels in eastern and northeastern areas but finds much lower levels in the western part of the country, thanks to mountain ranges, researchers say

The mountains sheltered northwestern and western parts of Japan as radioactive cesium-137 emerged from the power plant and blew downwind, the scientists said.


www.bbc.co.uk...

Scientific mind meltdown



One crucial task facing higher-ranking bureaucrats is to fabricate a sophism to justify a false statement such as "a crow is white." I believe that one of the roots of evil itself is the failure to challenge such sophism. Bureaucrats' ability is judged on their ability to concoct sophism. Bureaucrats climbing the ladder must concentrate on doing this without paying much attention to logic, data or values.

The nuclear calamity in Fukushima shattered the myth that nuclear power plants are absolutely safe, demonstrating that the myth was nothing but sophism. The government and the power industry must take responsibility for propagating the myth in the first place. Equally responsible are the mass media that blindly believed in and spread the same myth.

The Japanese people as a whole must work to discard their unscientific mentality of overlooking the axiom of "no certainty exists in the real world." This means breaking the unscientific habit of assuming either that nuclear power generation should be promoted because nuclear power plants are absolutely safe, OR that a nuclear plant must not be built unless it can be proven absolutely safe.

The Japanese people also must recognize that the process of locating nuclear power plants in impoverished seaside villages and then providing them with economic incentives in the form of government grants-in-aid is a thing of the past.

www.japantimes.co.jp...

Unfinished Monju lab shouldn't go to waste: auditors



The operator of the troubled Monju prototype fast-breeder reactor should find a use for the facility's laboratory, on which ¥83 billion has already been spent, the Board of Audit of Japan recommended Monday. The yet-to-be-completed lab in Ibaraki Prefecture, designed to develop new nuclear fuel recycling technology, has been idle since its construction was halted in 2000 following several accidents involving the reactor, which is in Tsuruga, Fukui Prefecture.

The Monju had been considered crucial to perfecting the country's nuclear fuel cycle, in which spent nuclear fuel from Japanese power plants would be reprocessed for reuse as plutonium-uranium mixed oxide, or MOX, fuel. Its practical use was planned to begin around 2050.

The reactor first achieved criticality in 1994 but was shut down following a sodium coolant leak, resultant fire and coverup attempt in 1995. The predecessor body of the Japan Atomic Energy Agency halted construction of the lab five years later.

www.japantimes.co.jp...
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posted on Nov, 14 2011 @ 10:20 PM
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I know we are all wondering if #2 has a hole in the south side, This looks like the area where the trees are being cut down. I'm not sure if this puts the whole thing to bed because we can't see the complete bottom of #2 but I think I was wrong. It looks ok here.


A few ft of interesting film off Japanese news.
www.youtube.com...




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