Trump Must Pay Half a Billion Dollars Before He Can Appeal New York Decision

Former President Donald Trump must pay nearly half a billion dollars as a bond to New York State before he can appeal the ruling by Judge Arthur Engoron last week that he must pay $354 million in fines — over $450 million, with interest — for fraud.

Critics have noted that Trump is the only person ever to be sued under an obscure New York fraud statute that does not require any harm be done, and that effectively criminalizes the everyday practice of real estate valuations in negotiations with banks.

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Note the word "obscure" and "only person" in that second quote. They literally dredged the swamp to find something to GET TRUMP. This isn't about the law, it is about politics and persecuting a political opponent to the nth degree, including bankrupting him if that's what it takes. The problem is, it never stops there.

As has been oft repeated on ATS...First they came for......

a reply to: Klassified

once they get Trump, they won't use something this drastic ever again. I mean sure it worked, it accomplished the goal so far, but don't worry a bit, things like this just don't happen in Amerika.

a reply to: Klassified

The Cracker Jack legal scholars here will be along shortly to tell us this is completely normal and above board and that Trump deserves it all because he hurt their feelz really badly.

This is designed to keep him from running for president because they cannot lockdown the entire country again for mail-in voting fraud with another Scamdemic.

It’s all part of the con artist Dem’s game.

See ... this doesn't make sense to me. I'm not a lawyer or anything but I'd think that the appeal would come first and then, if the appeal fails, you pay the money. Not the other way around.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Klassified

once they get Trump, they won't use something this drastic ever again. I mean sure it worked, it accomplished the goal so far, but don't worry a bit, things like this just don't happen in Amerika.

Of course not, it would be absurd to think so.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
See ... this doesn't make sense to me. I'm not a lawyer or anything but I'd think that the appeal would come first and then, if the appeal fails, you pay the money. Not the other way around.

Little makes sense in New York it seems FF.

a reply to: FlyersFan

I thought the same thing.
Then I realized it is NY.

Kinda just makes it more obvious how corrupt they are.

Just happy I don't live there.

a reply to: Klassified

this is a brilliant way to weaponize the justice system. Just think about all those who don't have the means to put up a half a billion bond. They can't afford to appeal. I wonder how long it will take before some semi-vocal right leaning developer is charged in the same way, and forced to capitulate to the system.

a reply to: network dude

Indeed, it's a very socialist communist move. It puts control of real estate development in the hands of state government. What could go wrong?

a reply to: Klassified

These people are just stupid.
Trump is pretty moderate, he was anyway.

This commie BS is going to result in an actual hard right religious zealot authoritarian when it swings back the other way.

Then they'll really have something to cry about.

a reply to: watchitburn

This commie BS is going to result in an actual hard right religious zealot authoritarian when it swings back the other way.

This is something I've considered as well. I would hate to see it, but it isn't an unrealistic prediction.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Klassified

These people are just stupid.
Trump is pretty moderate, he was anyway.

Makes one realize we never once had a legitimate choice until he came along.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
See ... this doesn't make sense to me. I'm not a lawyer or anything but I'd think that the appeal would come first and then, if the appeal fails, you pay the money. Not the other way around.

That is because you have a brain, and can see this is banana republic level bs.

Oh, and bc Trump is guilty until proven innocent.

a reply to: Klassified

So a judge ordered him to pay up.
What law is being used againt him for political persecution exactly?

a reply to: theatreboy

You must not know how an appeal works....

originally posted by: Allaroundya4k
a reply to: Klassified

So a judge ordered him to pay up.
What law is being used againt him for political persecution exactly?

Pay up for what? Who gets the money he is to pay?

a reply to: Allaroundya4k

Does a person have to serve time before an appeal? No. This is an obscure law. He did not have to pay Carroll to appeal either.

originally posted by: Allaroundya4k
a reply to: Klassified

So a judge ordered him to pay up.
What law is being used againt him for political persecution exactly?

It's in the OP and the article. You're a smart guy. Figure it out.

a reply to: Klassified

I would say this is absolutely insane.


..but Trump..

originally posted by: FlyersFan
See ... this doesn't make sense to me. I'm not a lawyer or anything but I'd think that the appeal would come first and then, if the appeal fails, you pay the money. Not the other way around.

I'm a 10 year paralegal, working cases within my state's circuit and appellate court.

The way they get around this is classifying it as a "bond". They lay out the law (at least in my state) very delicately, as if a bond is a way to guarantee the party has a means to continue their case, and that further filings and/or appeals are done in good conscience. There is a way to circumvent the bond if you are indigent, or at the very least cannot come up with the required bond amount, but the court (biased POS judges that impose and uphold these rulings) will NEVER honor the law that allows bond to be suspended - it's a case of "moving goalposts". No matter what you do and how many boxes you check off, they will keep pushing the line further to make sure that no matter what, you are forced to pay the court. They go so far as to contradict their own words in Opinions and Orders to shut people out and shut them up. You have a better chance sitting at the table of a mafia meeting and being heard than you would have to get a judge to actually follow the law on these requirements.

Between the way they handle the bond rules, and the Opinions and Orders that are issued that cite the bond and the reasoning for it, it is literally a legal sidestep to deprive parties of their constitutional rights, freedom of speech, due process, and disallow court proceedings.

Our entire legal system is a "pay to play" corrupt piece of garbage. That's why I'm in my profession - our goal is to fight these corrupt, money grubbing tyrants.